We finally got a new episode of LOST. In this latest podcast, we talk about the two major plot lines: Sun's pregnancy and Henry Gale. But we've got a lot of details to cover in each of these LOST plots. We discuss Sun and Jin's backstory, who might be the father of her baby... if she's pregnant at all. We also talk about the likely scenarios of a Sun pregnancy playing out, and the Widmore Labs connection. In addition, we delve deeper into Henry Gale, speculation about whether or not he's an "other", and if he is, what that might mean. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Here are some links related to this podcast:
General reactions on The Fuselage
Audio of Sawyer & Bernard talking backwards
Screencap of Henry Gale's balloon map
LOST Links
The Seeds' MySpace page
Buy The Seeds' album with the song "Pushin' too Hard"
Before they were LOST
LOST ads in Brazil
Flickr slideshow of Walt's comic book
Listener Chris' blog: The Black Smoke
More stuff on "The Prisoner"
Zeke in the pilot episode of LOST?
As always, send us your thoughts about this latest podcast, and the latest episode of LOST by posting them in the comments here, sending us an email, or calling our automated audio comment voicemail at: 206-666-2278.
Stay LOST.
err John got his legs back, I suppose its possible that Jin got his er sperm back?
Posted by: Ali | March 25, 2006 at 02:34 PM
THE PODCAST IS OUT ON A SATURDAY!
THE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH!
Just Kidding, well done :p
Posted by: David | March 25, 2006 at 04:17 PM
ok, so in the promo for the next episode and you can clearly see a red baloon w/ a smiley face. Now, if you were new to LOST, you may think, "ok, so Henry Gale was not lying." But I mean COME ON, it's LOST. If the island, or whatever, can make a plane come down, it would not be to hard to get a baloon. Now, thats just me oppinion. Now on the Sun thing. Ok, I believe that Sun was truthfull to Jin and she is the new "Virgin Marry" w/o the Virgin part but still the same concept. I mean, if Locke could not walk before he got on the plane and now he can walk, she could get pregnant. Well, my oppinion is that Locke is not what he seems. I'm not intierly sure why, but I think that Locke is not what he seems.
Posted by: sam | March 25, 2006 at 05:58 PM
I love your podcast, but I think you guys take the Official Podcast waaaaay too seriously. Damon and Carlton obviously like to play with our minds. I recall you mentioned in the past that Roussea was going to have a flashback, but I'm pretty sure that this was just a joke, since they also said in the same podcast that the actual island would have a flashback episode. You also mentioned that they were hinting that the name for the medical hatch would be important. I took this as making fun of people that want names for everything.
You might want to listen to these podcasts remembering that they really are made to entertain, and will not be big on spoiler info.
Posted by: David | March 25, 2006 at 09:06 PM
I can't believe anyone else has figured this out.
Sun is going to birth Jesus. We know Jin can't, ahem, perform, and Sun said she's been completely loyal.
Hell, Jin himself said, "It's a miracle"! Immaculate conception, anyone?
Posted by: Andrew | March 25, 2006 at 10:05 PM
On iTunes the Original Version of "Pushin' Too Hard" by the Seeds in on the "Travel With Your Mind" album. On the front it says April 1967...hope this helps.
Posted by: Lisa | March 26, 2006 at 12:55 AM
The "accelerated development" thing seems almost a required element, now. You mentioned Walt and how he'll suddenly be two years older the next time we see him. And that without such a plot device, Sun won't give birth until 2012. But what about Aaron? He's, what, two weeks old? He looks like a six-month old already!
And yeah, for practical reasons, all TV and movie babies are like that, but "Lost" can actually have a good excuse!
Posted by: Ryan | March 26, 2006 at 02:22 AM
Sorry--wrote the following comments in email until I realized I could post directly. A few points. One---has anyone here looked at the latest addition to the Lost "diary" on the ABC site. The writer has continued his/her rant about his/her "brother" being held in the hatch. I for one am perplexed. Also, I came across a post on sledgeweb, leading to a post on the blackrock.org and what appears to be either a new Dharma video (in which case this may be a SPOILER) or a well-done fake. Sure is interesting. Check it out: http://www.theblackrock.org/module-ContentExpress-display-ceid-7.phtml
Posted by: PaperTiger | March 26, 2006 at 04:54 AM
Maybe the last episode of season 2 will take place a year or to in the future to:
a) Bring back Walt in a believable manner.
b) Make Aaron older.
c) Make Sun and Jin parents of a baby.
Battlestar Galactica recently had a flash forward in the last episode of its current season, and I thought it was a really cool move. It would be interesting in Lost too, the changes in the characters and their relationships to one another after more than a year on the island would be interesting material for season 3 and the flashbacks in that season would be to earlier in the year to see how they go to their current state.
Or they could go crazy and make season 3, 10 years in the future or something.
Posted by: Cihan | March 26, 2006 at 07:12 AM
I wonder if there is any significance with the release date of "Bad Twin" being May 2. I think its fair to assume that we will be learning a whole lot more about Zeke and the theatrical glue.
Posted by: Gary Troup | March 26, 2006 at 10:17 AM
Hey, Your Podcast is awesome and everything but why don't you put it into Chapters like the Jay and Jack podcast? Its easier to go through. Plus I usually listen to it while I'm laying in bed at night and no offence to you of course, but I fall asleep and miss something like the last 20 minutes. So I'm just recommending that you have chapters. Keep up the good work. Thanks so much.
Posted by: Elle | March 26, 2006 at 01:43 PM
Half-life. In Philip K. Dick's "Ubik" the state of suspended animation between being fully alive but before death is called "half-life". In this state, various participants exist in a a communal artificial reality, and when they die they are dead.
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Ubik is a 1969 science fiction novel by Philip K. Dick. In 2005, Time Magazine named it one of the hundred best English language novels published since 1923
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- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubik
Posted by: Jon | March 26, 2006 at 02:36 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this, but I've heard it mentioned that Charlie went back to heroin several times. Though I recall him saying he wasn't using, and based on his character developments and growth on the island I tend to believe him when he said he wasn't on the smack.
After all it wasn't until he got crazy island dreams (that other non-heroin users have had) that he started acting funny. I think the fact that no one would believe him is what made him become dark again, I still don't think he's on heroin.
Posted by: Biolite | March 26, 2006 at 03:55 PM
PaperTiger, I just checked out that link...I think we can safely assume it's a fake. Yeah, they've got the music down perfect, the logos look legit, they've even got the spliced film thing going...but they also have a totally wooden actress portraying the scientist. Aditionally, the dialogue sounds like it's trying a bit too hard to sound authoritative. I wouldn't trust anything of that nature unless it was on the actual LOST website or something like the Hanso Foundation page.
Posted by: Andrew | March 26, 2006 at 04:00 PM
Okay, I never whine about women's rights... though I am a woman who may not agree completely with the way we are presented in the media, I rarely complain because I know I would be a hypocrite. When I dress up, I wear makeup and high heels and I work out so I can be thin just like the media tells me I should be and I dye my hair blonde because I am conditioned to think I look better that way. I don't go crazy with it, but to claim that I am immune would be making myself into a liar.
There is one female steriotype I have little tolerance for, however, and I was shocked to hear you otherwise educated men buy so blindly into it. The tabloids make a point of reinforcing it anytime a marriage doesn't work: Meg Ryan, Nicole Kidman, and Jennifer Aniston are just a few of their more well-known victims.
I am referring to your assumption that Sun was lying to Jin when she told him that she had never been with another man. Are you guys kidding? The "look" she had on her face while she was hugging Jin was clearly that of relief and joy...not of a woman concealing a secret of her adultery. Who would she have cheated with? Korean Mr. Clean? Why? Because she was in a hotel room alone with him getting English lessons? As if a married woman's presence in a hotel room with a single man is some sort of automatic indicator of foul play. I'm pretty sure she was capable of controlling herself. Or maybe she cheated with Michael. Seriously? And the entire time Jin and Michael were building the raft, Michael was able to act completely normal and guilt-free? And Sun was just acting when she was still trying to salvage her relationship with Jin by extending an olive branch of english translations for his journey, or when she was upset on the shore as he was sailing away, or when she freaked out about losing her obviously still treasured wedding ring? What revelation of Sun's character has appeared so low in your eyes that would make you assume she'd sink so easily to the level of an adulteress, and then have the ability to lie straight to her husband's face AND THEN SMILE about getting away with it? C'mon you guys. There are many things about Lost that are mysterious and veiled and worthy of reading into...but this scene was so self-explanatiory and so obviously meant to be a heartwarming marriage building moment, I think it should be seen for what it really is: The triumph of a woman's persistence at saving her marriage--a moment of connection between a struggling couple after Sun made the brave and difficult decision of choosing to lay the incredulous sounding truth before a man who has done little more than tear her down and belittle her word.
I would not say anything except that EVERY OTHER ACTION Sun has done--except for her learning english secretly and making plans to leave her husband, which she later decided against--have shown Sun to be persistently faithful, loyal, and loving toward her--let's face it--not entirely agreeable--husband. And then as soon as the tinyest glimmer of a possibility of adultery is introduced, you guys JUMP on that and make it your theory. With all the crazy crap that's going on on this crazy island, you think it's not possible that she has becaome pregnant despite Jin's apparant incapability? Locke is WALKING for goodness sake. I would ask for a little more thought on your guy's part before you make such predictions--further reinforcing an unfair stereotype.
That said, I love your show and am an avid AVID fan. Keep up the good work, and Stay Lost.
Posted by: Hoaxter81 | March 26, 2006 at 08:06 PM
whoa, calm down. the lost cast guys had every right to make that accusation. It had nothing to do with sun's character, (who would blame her for cheating on jin)it had more to do with the fact that immaculate conception is a bit out there. they weren't trying to make sun out to be a whore or anything, they were just analyzing the show.
Posted by: mike | March 26, 2006 at 08:46 PM
After my rather vitriolic post about the Grand Conspiracy to Conceal the Existence of M.C. Gainey (aka Zeke) in the Lost Pilot Episode, I would like to wholeheartedly apologize, for I am now a true believer. After clickity-clacking my way to Aerosmith's "Cryin'" video featuring Josh Holloway (aka Sawyer), I have come to a startling realization about how long Lost has been in the works.
Three minutes and fifty-seven seconds into the video, while Josh is on the run with Batgirl's purse, he zooms past a man who is in the shadows. Who do we know on Lost that Sawyer has made contact with while in the shadows? That's right, Zeke! I propose that the man in the shadows is not an unnamed extra but rather M.C. Gainey himself! This is proof that the creators have plotted everything into such great detail that the Gainey/Holloway connection was started in the 1980s--indeed, proof that J.J. Abrams was devilishly designing this show even before he was old enough to buy beer.
Or the shadow guy in the video is an extra, and so is the bald white dude running past Shannon in the first episode.
My point is this: I love the great detail that the LOSTCasts guys bring to their 'cast, and as someone with a Literature degree I'm all for enjoying every last detail. I think it's great that Lost is arguably the most complex and literate ever show on television, and it's phenominal that the users and creators of this and other sites are using their noodles to hunt down and learn about books, art, authors, comic books, and so forth. My complaint is that some, myself included, sometimes focus on the grains of sand to such degree that we forget we're on a beach.
To me, some of the key large issues that could use more braintime are:
--What is the emphasis on children? Why was a premium placed on Walt and the tailie kids?
--What is the intent of the Others? If the island is Noah's Ark, why the mindgames for the castaways?
--Why do people keep crashing here? The Henry Gale balloon debate aside, what made the plane crash here, the Black Rock crash? What brought Adam and Eve (the dead bodies in the caves) here?
--What is the nature of "The Big Secret?" I keep thinking about the end of "The Sixth Sense," where in 10 seconds of flashbacks the audience gets it; all the clues suddenly fit and the mystery is revealed in three unspoken words: He Is Dead.
For me, for The Big Secret to be pertinent in a larger way (such as "WE are the Others" as was suggested in a podcast) it has to be simple--a basic comment on humanity. Think about the end of Planet of the Apes: it was Earth and we humans destroyed ourselves! The film begs us to go home and have conversations (which I guess people did before the internet?!) about how the film comments on us and what we can do to change, etc. As was pointed out in an early podcast (I think), Lost essentially is post-9/11 scifi, and as Twilight Zone reflected communist-era creepyness, Star Trek reflected late-60s race/gender optimism, Next Generation foretold then reflected a post-USSR peaceful world unity, Lost reflects a world where we're not sure which end is up. WMDs or not? Did some see 9/11 coming or not? Terrorists in our midst or not?
I'm like everyone else: I don't have solid answers, just questions, and I think some of those questions above are a bit more critical than when a C-list actor like M.C. Gainey started on Lost.
So that's all I have to say about that. Guys, keep up the great work!
Posted by: Matt Lafferty | March 26, 2006 at 09:12 PM
I've got to second the "calm down" here---although it was nice that Hoaxter81 made a point of saying she's an avid fan (me too!). I don't think anyone, as Hoaxter said, was questioning Sun's moral standing or that this has anythig to do with gender biases. In fact, the episode was deliberately unclear---the very clear tension shown between Sun and her English teacher, the final scene between them cutting off just as the teacher moves closer towards her and says something making clear he has more than just platonic friendship in mind. If I had to venture a guess, I would AGREE that the island probably cured Jin and that the baby is his, but the episode was designed to provoke speculation about this and calling such speculaton sexist is really off-base. I love Sun too---but all of these characters are complex---that is, human---and that's what makes them sympathetic and part of what makes the show so engaging. What if it turns out that Sun did have an affair? Would you see that as an affront to her character or a sexist decision by the writers?---I don't see why.
Posted by: PaperTiger | March 26, 2006 at 09:15 PM
Well, while I'm both ranting and raving, lemme throw my hat into the same ring as Hoaxter81: I think that Sun did not cheat with the Korean Mr. Clean. While KMC was definitely wanting the Sun to set on him (hee hee), I think that Sun was completely above board. He was a discrete male friend with the opportunity to provide a private location in order for him to teach her English. Do the creators want us to consider the possiblity that she cheated? Absolutely--especially since they showed her with him before we knew why. But I agree with Ms. Hoaxter that everything in Sun's personality shows that she loved Jin for better or for the whole lot of worse she ended up with.
Posted by: Matt Lafferty | March 26, 2006 at 09:17 PM
Oh yeah? Well I would just ask this: if Sun is so innocent, why in season 1 did she say the following?
Sun: "Do you think all this, all we've been through, do you think we were being punished?"
Shannon: "Punished for what?"
Sun: "Things we did before, secrets we kept, the lies we told.."
Shannon: "Who do you think is punishing us?"
Sun: "Fate"
Posted by: Cameron | March 26, 2006 at 09:46 PM
Hoaxter, we weren't saying that Sun definitively had extramarital relations with either Korean Mister Clean or Michael. With mysteries like Sun's pregnancy, we like to speculate by throwing everything we can think of against the wall and see what seems likely to stick. And that's all that's about. I think we'd all roundly agree that honest platonic relationships should not be suspect as a default.
And Lafferty,
When it comes to Lost: First viewing for the beach and second viewing for the grains of sand.
Posted by: BLinder | March 26, 2006 at 10:59 PM
I'm going to have to side with the didn't cheat camp. Hoaxter81 is correct when she says that evrything we've seen from Sun since they crashed points to a woman who realized that she was still in love with her husband, which I believe was the point of her first flashback episode. She did, however, plan on running to America to escape her life, her father, and her father's influence on Jin. That's what she felt she was being punished for. My gut when watching the last episode was that it was a look of relief and a happiness that Jin understood, and trusted her.
That being said, BLinder is correct. Lostcasts woudn't be Lostcasts if they didn't present all possibilities. This is Lost after all, anything can happen.
Posted by: Biolite | March 27, 2006 at 10:35 AM
"except for her learning English secretly and making plans to leave her husband, which she later decided against"
Those are some pretty big exceptions. Once you've committed one deception in a marriage the path is paved for more. Plus, we are forgetting the most important man in Sun's life. Her father holds a greater sway over her than Jin. She wants to be out of his grasp. I think she married Jin in part out of love but mostly as a big F you to daddy. She though that by marrying a fisherman she would be cast out of the family. But the opposite happened. Her father co-opted Jin. Jin became everything that she despised about her dad. Enter Mr. Clean. She had the hots for him and if he didn't shoot her down she would have been with him. He is a nice enough guy and he has wealth and power to rival her father's. He could take her away from the life. Jin was the fallback plan. Now she is meeting with him to learn English so she can leave her husband. She has sex with him because after all she can't get pregnant and she's going to need a meal ticket in the US. Now these may not be her surface motivations. We can all do a great job at convincing ourselves that we are doing the right thing especially when we are doing wrong.
The other solid clue to her having met Mr. Clean’s little Mr. Clean are the flashbacks. I've always interpreted those as being the memories of the featured character and that those memories are being triggered by what is happening on the island. If Sun is thinking she's pregnant why else would she flashback to her and Mr. Clean? The fertility doctor and Jin's reaction make sense. But why Mr. Clean unless there is a chance that Jin is not the father.
Plus the flashbacks have shown us time and again that we don't know these people as well as we think we do. I don't think we should make the mistake that Sun is a pure hearted innocent. She is a Korean Meadow Soprano. The Daughter of a mob boss. They are used to having their way and tend to possess massive daddy issues.
Posted by: Matt Jones | March 27, 2006 at 11:38 AM
Yeah, but the fact that she's just now discovering she's pregnant after being on the island for a little over two months basically rules out the possibility that her child was conceived before boarding the plane. A pregnancy makes it self known biologically pretty early on. I've heard of people going up to 7 months without realizing they are pregnant, but that's very rare and involves circumstances that aren't a part of Sun's physical make-up. My vote is for a post-crash conception.
Posted by: Blinder | March 27, 2006 at 12:48 PM
I think the timing is about right. If they hooked up right before she left then now would be about time for her to start noticing un-deniable symptoms. She could have had some earlier that she just chalked up to her circumstances. Who wouldn’t be hungry, tried and emotional when stranded on a freaky island? However, I do think the kid is Jin's. The Island healed him. (I realize that I screwed up in my last post and Sun can get pregnant.) They baby was the result of back from the other side of the island sex. Remember Jin standing on the beach like Conan after a raid? But Sun doesn't know about the recuperative powers of the island. She thinks Jin is shooting blanks. So if he couldn't have knocked her up then in her mind it must have been Mr. Clean. She is now racked with guilt because Jin is so happy, but she is sure the kid isn’t his. Now she must decide to keep things quiet or fess up to her affair. The irony being that it’s Jin’s kid all along. That’s dramatic tension.
Posted by: Matt Jones | March 27, 2006 at 01:10 PM
Oh come on, the entire episode was constructed in a way to make the viewer think she's cheated on Jin, from the cut away of her and baldy looking at each other after his confession, to her look of WORRY. Not relief, but WORRY.
Now maybe she was worried about raising a child on an island but I doubt it. I'm not saying for sure she cheated but the episode was constructed to make us think that. The writer's could always do the switch-a-roo and show us she didnt, but at this point you cant claim to be 100% certain if she did or not.
Another thing I want to mention is the ranting against Charlie's nonchalance at having his gun easily spotted and Ana not asking him how he got it. Well if you'll all remember, Sawyer layed the ground rules to everyone that night, if you want a gun you have to go through him. If I saw Charlie with a gun after that display by Sawyer, I'd just assume Charlie had to do something for Sawyer to obtain one. Simple.
Posted by: Cihan | March 27, 2006 at 01:56 PM
Here's something that just sprung to mind.
The Hurley manifest -- has anyone checked the taillies names on the list yet ?
If not why not ? Seems that given the whole Ethan/Goodwin saga would have been the first thing I'd have done.
Posted by: Mark B | March 27, 2006 at 02:20 PM
Did Sawyer get ALL the Medical supplies from the hatch when he got the guns? The Preg test may have been hatch-stock rather than from the plane.
Henery Gale doesn't give the map to the first three people that ask for it but then gives it to Anna Lucia...Could he have just been stalling long enough to let the others get a baloon in place?
Posted by: Christo | March 27, 2006 at 02:41 PM
One thing I have not seen/heard really talked about anywhere, the episode was called 'The Whole Truth' but no one at any point in the episode told the whole tuth.
Even Jack, when telling others to tell the whole truth, follwed it up by hiding the truth from Kate.
Maybe Anna Lucia told the 'whole truth' when coming clean and asking Sayid's forgiveness was the closest to the whole truth in the episode.
Does it look like anyone told the whole truth in the episode?
Also, I really like the question whether the talies were on the manifest.
Posted by: Chris | March 27, 2006 at 03:27 PM
I think it's important to remember that for the most part, the losties are generally good people, they may of done some questionable even bad things in their lives but deep down they are all good people. That was the focus of Season 1, these are sketchy people on the surface, but there are reasons that they behave the way they do. Charlie was pushed into heroin by his brother, Sawyer became a con man because another con man shattered his family, Jin is a mob enforcer so that he can be with his true love. Sun, wanted to flee from Jin and her father, but stayed with him because deep down she truly loves Jin. She may be scared of him sometimes, but she loves him. I see very little evidence to support Sun cheating on Jin.
It's also wise to remember that the Lost creative team likes to screw with us, make us think one thing and then have the opposite be true, hence the scene cut with Sun and KMC in the hotel.
Posted by: Biolite | March 27, 2006 at 03:28 PM
Biolite, I have to disagree, even though you present a good analysis. I think that the losties are not generally good, and that is part of the Lost journey.
Look at how quickly they started killing and torturing one another when they came to the island. Then there is all the deception. They are not nice people.
Even Jack has violated his hippocratic oath many, many times. I am waiting for the next scene with Zeke when I am sure he will point all this out to them.
As I have posted previously, I believe the title of the show refers to their state BEFORE flight 815 left the ground in Sydney. Part of that was misfortune that had happened to them, but part of that was their own character flaws.
The question now is whether they will (to borrow the tagline from this site) 'stay Lost' or whether they will be redeemed (which is an entirely different question from whether they will ever be rescued from the island).
Posted by: Cameron | March 27, 2006 at 03:46 PM
john- i think your name is john
calm down man, you poke fun at people for looking in way to serisously. YOU ARE THE WORST, hurley helping the others in that older episode?, i think you look way into little things soo much thats its annoying, also you never admit or mention something again when your wrong.
wheres ryan and jen?
Posted by: jimmy | March 27, 2006 at 04:36 PM
In John's (and all of our) defense. If we went back and mentioned all the times we were wrong our podcasts would be too big to download. But, as a rule, we try not to make concrete predictions and stay in the realm of loose speculations. I took John's speculation about Hurley and the manifest as just that, a loose speculation. But I like the idea that Hurley should have revisited the manifest back when the tailies arrived.
And poking fun at people for looking in too deeply, well that's all part of the fun, both the looking and the poking (wait, that don't sound right).
Posted by: Blinder | March 27, 2006 at 04:56 PM
Yeah they're not the greatest bunch of people before they crash, that's for sure, but I think that they were all good to begin with and then "Lost" that goodness and began doing questionable things. You were right to say they are not "generally good" but deep down, however, they are good. Sawyer, for being a professional con-man, still has a good heart as we have seen on many occasions. He tries to hide it by being a jackass, but it's still there. Even Eko, the African Warlord, has a goodness within him, it was just buried deeper then most, and uncovered earlier then everyone elses.
The first season was a window for us to see the goodness within all these characters. The torturerer full of regret, the con-man with the heart of gold, etc. Season 2 on the other hand, has shown the characters dealing with the conditions of the island which have been increasingly dangerous. Their responses, for the most part, have been sliding back into the dark part of their characters. Torturing again, conning again, etc.
I think it's good to remember that these people are going through an intense situation. Surviving a plane crash and then living on "Crazy Island" could really mess a person up. Living in fear of being attacked in your sleep can lead to extreme behaviour. ;)
Posted by: Biolite | March 27, 2006 at 05:03 PM
i think that the reason people would be suspicios of sun is that the island fixing lockes legs is one thing, but the island fixes jin's "stuff" is another. they are very random things to fix, and besides being body parts have no relation to one another. Does the island fix everything that is wrong with everyone? I dont think so.
Posted by: yanks01 | March 27, 2006 at 07:27 PM
I think we are meant to think Jin is the one that got Sun pregnant -- it's more island fixing stuff -- just like Lockes legs. However given that this is LOST I suspect Jin is not the father.
On a slightly diffrent note I suspect we may get a Locke:Jack connection. Perhaps Locke is bought into the hospital where Jack works or Jack is somehow involved in Lockes case. Maybe Jack sees Lockes x-rays without actually seeing Locke. Perhaps Lockes paralysis is psychological not physical.
Posted by: Mark B | March 27, 2006 at 08:04 PM
****SPOILER*****
I don't know about Jack-Locke, but like we said in the cast: Look for a Locke-Sawyer connection in the flashback this Wed.
Posted by: BLinder | March 27, 2006 at 08:42 PM
Just a few observations of The Whole Truth episode. I thought it was interesting that when Locke asked Ana for help with Henry Gale at the beginning the episode, he referred to the hatch as "my hatch." Also interesting was Jack's advice to Sun to tell Jin the whole truth about her pregancy. I wonder if this may be related to the flashback in which his wife told him "Don't worry. I'm not pregnant." Was she telling the whole truth? Perhaps Jack found out there really was a baby...perhaps not.
On a general note, I find it odd that Libby always (at least three times this season) refers to herself as a clinical psychologist. As a doctoral candidate in clinical psychology, I can tell you that few of my peers refer to themselves by their specific area of study (i.e. "Hello, I am a neuropsychologist") - they usaully just say "I am a psychologist." A clinical psycholigist refers to a psychologist who most often works in a clinical (i.e. non-academic, non-research oriented, non-Dharma experiment oriented) setting in which they work directly with clients in a therapuetic capacity...such as the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute where Hurley stayed. Maybe the writers are dropping clues about Libby's past. Or maybe I pay too much attention to the details.
Love the podcast, Jenna
Posted by: Jenna | March 27, 2006 at 09:46 PM
I think a Locke:Jack connection would be really amusing.
Perhaps Jack saying something like "Oh that hopeless case he'll never walk again"
Then cut to Locke lying in a hospital bed being told that the expert back surgeon for said. Locke lokks down then back up and says "Well I have faith. I know walk again"
Posted by: Mark B | March 27, 2006 at 10:36 PM
Lockdowns gunna be a big Episode cant wait!!!!!!!!!Hey guys in your Podcasts you should play a song at the end of each podcast with a song that relates to the last episode-it would be very cool(Just a suggestion):)Cant wait or the next podcast WoOoO
Posted by: A|ex17 | March 28, 2006 at 06:46 AM
What does everyone make of the new offical Lost Podcast? If you have not heard it head over to itunes or ABC.Com. On the Podcast they talked about whats happened to the Hanso website, they said its getting a mega update and that we will get alot out of the website, they said that the site will be back in may.
Lostcasts is so much better than the Offical podcast, im shock that ABC has not been in touch to try and steal our Lostcast team, on that note do you think the ABC team listen to Lostcasts?
Carl, Uk
Posted by: Carl, UK | March 28, 2006 at 08:07 AM
The Seeds' "Pushin' Too Hard" reached #36 on the Billboard charts in 1967. It was their only Top 40 hit. They played the same venues as the Doors in Los Angeles.
Posted by: Bill | March 28, 2006 at 10:34 AM
Hey guys, love the podcast! I was just listening to the Official Lost Podcast, and Lindelof said "Desmond has been in the hatch for the last 4 years." Did I forget that fact, or did they just tell us for the first time how long Desmond has been in there?
They give out some other interesting stuff this week, definitely check it out! Looks like we WILL be getting some Lost Mythology this summer, so that'll give you guys something to podcast on this summer! Great news!
Posted by: Dan | March 28, 2006 at 10:44 AM
heads up, whether it's a good or a bad thing
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/28/rumor-game-based-on-tvs-lost-this-fall-for-consoles/
Posted by: Jon | March 28, 2006 at 11:08 AM
Just finished listening to the new 'Official Lost Podcast' and it looks like you'll have some content to cover over the summer! The Hanso Foundation.org asite and some 'Internet Experience' project were talked about. Should be fun.
Posted by: Curtis Yanko | March 28, 2006 at 12:49 PM
Hey Hoaxster81:
While you're gettin' all hot and heavy and taking things way too seriously, would you mind takin' your top off...we'd all like to get a good look at your tits. Take it off slowly though, okay? Though not too slowly or Matt Jones will finish before you even get to your bra. Oh wait, that's right, you probably don't wear a bra. Maybe you should start before they end up at your knees, um-kay.
Hoaxster81 is officially worse than Tulip with the cry for political correct bullsh*t. My God woman, take it easy. Why don't you go attend a candlelight vigil somewhere. You do realize this is a few (dudes) friends getting together and just talking about a TV Show, right?
Get it together. Leave the forum to your LOST views, not your social/society/women's rights/how you look fat in your jeans/etc. views.
Take care,
John
Posted by: John | March 28, 2006 at 02:19 PM
Well said john :)
Posted by: Carl, UK | March 28, 2006 at 03:03 PM
Yikes, no need to push the stereotype button too hard.
Posted by: Biolite | March 28, 2006 at 03:26 PM
Another "fantastic" post by the resident overreactor, John.
Posted by: David | March 28, 2006 at 04:10 PM
I totally saw that coming.
Posted by: Blinder | March 28, 2006 at 04:46 PM
Just listened to the official podcast and Carlton brings up some supposed suspicion around that "funny" look Sun gives Jin at the end of the episode after she tells him "the whole truth". It's hard to know how much we're suposed to read into the characters' looks. But in that podcast everything they say comes out in such a mocking tone it's hard to take any of it seriously.
This particular official podcast is damn near unlistenable for the first 20 minutes or so (Hurley's interview is mildly interesting). The Damon/Carlton banter is getting pretty tiresome. Who names their kid "Carlton" anyway? 100 bucks says it's someone wearing an ascot and likes to "weekend in the hamptons with Buffy." Anyway I was just reminded why John's in charge of the official podcast review.
This podcast did, however, get me all amped for tomorrow's episode.
Posted by: BLinder | March 28, 2006 at 07:54 PM
The official podcast is, I assume, scripted or at least heavily planned and there is no way they'll ever tell us anything meaningful. Hence the 'jokey' tone to almost every answer. The whole theme tune thing was so stupid I won't even mention it -- oh but then I have.
On another note thinking about the sequence of events in the promo I forgot it could be that Jack and Kate go off and meet Sayid who then all come back and find Henry tapping at the computer after the doors have closed and Locke is stuck inside.
I fear that tomorrows episode could be great promo loads of build up == poor or at least disappointing episode.
Posted by: Mark B | March 28, 2006 at 10:18 PM
Hoaxster, I'm going to ignore all irrelevant feminist stuff of your post and just show you how absurd your claim is.
So here goes:
"I would not say anything except that EVERY OTHER ACTION Sun has done--except for her learning english secretly and making plans to leave her husband, which she later decided against--have shown Sun to be persistently faithful, loyal, and loving toward her...." Wow. Hoaxster, I hope you see how truly weak that is for an argument. I mean, "..except for her making plans to leave her husband...!"
Look, if there's anything we've seen throughout the seasons of LOST, it's that we can't ever make assumptions about people. Furthermore, as has been said before in response to your post, that whole episode made us think perhaps she was cheating.
If you have heard the new ABC official LOST Podcast, you'll hear Carlton Cuse say something to the effect of, "Sun did have a funny look on her face after she told Jin she hadn't been with another man."
Go back and watch it. There is the initial look of relief on her face, followed by a rather discomforted look. And listen to the music (always a good clue to the emotions we as viewers should be experiencing); it takes a strange, minor turn after her confession.
Another reason it's plausible: there was clearly sexual tension from Sun and Baldy's first meeting (remember last season?). That sexual tension carried over into their secret "rendezvous" (innocent or not). Remember that look he gave her on their first meeting when they bend down to pick up the paper or whatever? Sun was aware of the tension, and yet she kept meeting with Baldy.
Also, I don't know too much about Korean culture, but assuming the doctor was afraid to tell Jin that his junk didn't work for fear of wounding Jin's pride and thus enraging Sun's father, consider how emasculating it would be for Sun to tell Jin that he's not the father.
I also don't think that her reluctance to tell Jin of the pregnancy is adequately explained by anything other than doubts about the baby's father. She knew Jin wanted a baby before the crash; why wouldn't he know?
As a side note, I wonder if the gender roles had been reversed and one of the men who is seen as a tower of virtue by many viewers (say, Batman, errrr....MacGuyver.. ..errrrr...everyone's favorite toy salesman, Locke) had been put in a situation where his fidelity was in question, what would your reaction have been?
Don't take it personally as a woman that some viewers have suggested another woman has been unfaithful and lied...'cause guess what? It actually happens in real life!
And you know what else? it's exactly what the writers wanted us to question.
Posted by: Andrew | March 29, 2006 at 12:38 AM
Hoaxster, the writers of the show clearly wanted us to form our own views about Sun so why is there a need to be so worked up about what the guys said?
Anyway, anyone noticed how she shook her feet anxiously while waiting for the doctor to meet them? She seems to be afriad of something the doctor might reveal from the tests. I don't think they put that scene in for nothing... Maybe she was on contraceptives or something?
Posted by: Aves | March 29, 2006 at 01:40 AM
Official Spoiler ahead...
For those of you who'd like to know for sure, Henry Gale IS an other. Just saw the episode here in Canada!
Posted by: Nadia | March 29, 2006 at 09:00 PM
Nobody probably cares anymore, but just thought I'd throw out there that though I still support the idea that Sun is innocent of foul play, I definitely over-reacted...I was having a really cruddy day that had to do specifically with being at a disadvantage because I'm a chick and I totally took it out on the LostCasts boys. Please accept my apologies...next time I won't be such a whiny a**hole. :)
Posted by: hoaxter81 | March 30, 2006 at 05:49 AM
Woo hoo! I was (partially) right. A week ago, in the discussion of "The Whle Truth," I said:
"If I was Sayid, seeing that balloon wouldn't prove crap. A grave doesn't mean crap. I'd dig up the body. Is it female? How rotted is it? Is it wearing clothes with no tags?"
SPOILER:
So, it turned out to be a man. Henry Gale, no less. Glad to see Sayid dug up the grave though.
Posted by: Andy | March 30, 2006 at 06:51 AM
Diagram of what Locke saw in the Hatch and what it says.
http://www.thehatchonline.com/images/dharmadoor.jpg
Posted by: So| G|o | March 30, 2006 at 11:39 AM
Hey guys, I've got an idea about what you should do over the summer... the Damon and Carlton in their podcast said they're cooking up something on the net (I am guessing some mystery spread out over a bunch of different websites) and left there for us to find out... you guys should do one or more on this online maze. It'd be cool...
I love the podcasts!
Posted by: G. M. | March 30, 2006 at 12:24 PM
Hey guys, I've got an idea about what you should do over the summer... the Damon and Carlton in their podcast said they're cooking up something on the net (I am guessing some mystery spread out over a bunch of different websites) and left there for us to find out... you guys should do one or more on this online maze. It'd be cool...
I love the podcasts!
Posted by: G. M. | March 30, 2006 at 01:21 PM
i loved the show ever since it came on. i try my best to catch every episode when i can. i want to be able to see the whole thing from the beginning. i have always been a strong fan of lost. i would like to meet all the caractors on the show. ya'll make it so real that i get into the show so bad.
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