LOSTCasts 24: Dave

This latest podcast focuses on season 2, episode 19 of LOST, entitled "Dave." In this podcast, we discuss Hurley and his backstory at length, including speculation about Libby's motivations, as well as her mental condition. We also talk about what Eko might be building, and the discussion surrounding Henry Gale's continued interrogation, and his conversation with Locke. As usual, we end things this week with LOST links, spoilers and talk about what's in store on next week's episode of LOST. We end with exit music from a great band, and one of Matthew Fox's favorites, The Black Angels.

Download podcast #24 here

Here are some links related to the podcast:
Transcript of season 2, episode 19, Dave
General reactions thread on The Fuselage
Picture of "Widmore Labs" on Henry's balloon
Discussion about Dave on The Fuselage
Thread on ABC forums about photo inconsistency
Original Hurley/Dave
Photo of Hurley/Dave
Is Libby lying to Hurley? Thread on The Fuselage
Kaizer Soze/Wizard of Oz theory

LOST links:
KFC commercial parody of LOST
"Skinner Box" movie on IMDB
Homepage of The Black Angels
Pre-order The Black Angels' new album

Comments

[Timmy]

Yay new cast, listening now. ^_^

[Aaron]

The E! online spoiler where locke and charlie get killed by henry gale was said on april fools day, it was a joke!!!!! I would think you guys would know that

[crapjohnson]

I noticed the look Libby gave as they were walking away from the cliff too, and after reading posts about it and having time to think about it, I think a good explanation is that she was just giving the usual odd look every character gives when they are about to go into flashback mode (since that had to be her flashback at the end and not Hurley's).

[crapjohnson]

And something I forgot to add to my above comment was that I think that Hurley's question about if he could change is what brought on that look and flashback from her, making her think, "yes you can change, after all, I changed". That sort of comes from my idea that Libby is not evil or a mole or any of these other things people say, but that she changed and got her life together after she got out of the mental hospital. The reason she lied to Hurley about knowing her from somewhere and not telling him she was in the same mental hospital is that she doesn't want him to think she's crazy, but she is a normal person, because she likes him and doesn't want to mess it up.

[Collette]

I like this group. I'll have to pick up the album. Good cast. I find myself completely agreeing with you guys regarding Locke. I used to like him but now I just feel sorry for him. The thing with him and Henry is going to end very badly.

[Katerina]

Love the podcasts guys, but I really don't want to hear spoilers. Is there any way that when you have a new episode in the episode description you write the time range when you are speaking about spoilers...an exact kind of thing...how can I know if the spoilers are over without listening to them?

[Jenni Lou]

A few kinda silly comments:

1.That peanut butter container would totally bust. I've worked in a number of restaurants and they all use the same packaging for dressings and such and those plastic containers aren't very durable. In fact, I have dropped them before and they just splatter everywhere! So it's completely plausible it would burst. :P

2. Maybe Libby is a natural blonde and her hair was dyed brown around the time she was in the institution. That certainly would explain her roots, no? :)

3. You made a little list about the coincidence of having all these people in the institution, Santa Rosa. Hurley, Libby and Lenny were all there...but don't forget that Locke's mother was also there as well. So maybe this place has a larger role in the events of the island after all.

4. The EOnline spoilers from Kristin were made on April Fool's Day, guys. She even made a disclaimer after her she made those comments saying that they were not true. Just an FYI.

[Weesh]

Guys go back and look @ that E!Online article - it was an april fools joke ~ towards the bottom after it mentions additional shows it spells it out....

[Blinder]

We got an email that refered to the eonline article and noone emailed us that it was an april fools joke and none of us read tha tinfo anywhere. But it ws pretty clear in the cast that we all pretty much doubted its validity.

[Blinder]

And the reason I dodn't read to the bottom of the page on the eonline article is because the Gray's Anatomy spoiler was right after the Lost spoiler. And I really don't care about Gray's anatomy so I stopped reading.

[NShah85]

Hey guys. I love the podcast. I was watching Season 1: Solitary, and I just noticed that the phrase "see you in the next life" wasn't originally coined by Desmond. Rather, Sayid said it to Danielle when he was telling her what Nadia wrote on the back of the picture. I'm not sure if anyone already said that, if so, I'm sorry for repeating it. I was just watching it when I caught the phrase. Well, keep up the great work. stay lost.

[Emily]

even though that was a april fools spoiler there has been talk through out the season that 2 main people are going to die. first was shannon. i think the other person to die will be walt. it make sence that he should be the one to die since you can't keep the kid from aging.

[Doubing T]

Just discovered these casts, and are very enjoyable, since here in the Netherlands, not many are following the show as I do. What was thinking is that the "swan-hatch" of the losties is being monitored by other hatches. And although i think camera's are improbable, listening devices could easily be installed. It would explain the fears of "henry gail" because he is still aware of being listened to. And he is holding on to his story although he's being tortured, because he knows, if the "others" hear he blown his cover, he would be practibly also dead. If he claims to be as afraid of the "evil" leader. He would find this captivity by the losties, as the one and only oppertunity to run free, but he is still loyal to his "evil" leader. That's why i think, they are monitored.

[Aaron]

A note on the melodramatic "God can't see us here" line:

Remember back in "Maternity Leave", when Locke (?) gave Henry Gale "The Brothers Karamazov" to read? I thought something about that line in Wednesday's show sounded familiar, so I looked back into the book, and found this section. It's from the famous "Grand Inquisitor" chapter, and is spoken by Ivan to Alyosha:

"... There is, for example, one little monestary poem (from the Greek, of course): 'The Mother of God visits the Torments', with scenes of a boldness not inferior to Dante's. The Mother of God visits hell and the Archangel Michael guides her through 'the torments'. She sees sinners and their sufferings. Among them, by the way, she sees a most amusing class of sinners in a burning lake: some of them sink so far down into the lake that they can no longer come up again, and 'these God forgets'-- an expression of extraordinary depth and force. ... [p. 247, translation by Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky, Vintage Press, 1991]

I doubt that Gale's line was a direct reference to the book, but as you said in your podcast, it may serve to set a mood of the Island being outside the normal bounds of ethics.

Great podcast guys, I really appreciate all your hard work on it.

[David]

Great Podcast guys! Except one thing, which I let go last time:

It's Cerberus (sirr-burr-uss), not Cerebus (Ser-ib-uss). Just a minor niggle I guess :)

[Cihan]

Good podcast as usual guys. Although I think everyone's getting carried away with the hyping up of Dharma, making theories about how Dharma schemed and somehow got everyone on the island. Think about how the writers would show this, it would be a hard sell, man. I think any way they write it, its going to look lame or cartoonish.

Poor Lost writers, they'll never meet everyone's expectations, lol.

I've got two theories going on at the moment, check them out:

[The Manmade Influence of Chaos Theory Theory]
http://lostpodcast.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1140391660

[The Dharma Plaebo Theory]
http://lostpodcast.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1144583747

Also: I agree with others that Libby's expression was just a signifier that she was having a flashback. I think Libby's got way too much flak ever since she appeared, lol.

[Andrea from Tulsa]

Hey guys! LOVE your podcast. I just wanted to address the Eko and church theory... A while back, he was marking the trees and saying that they were 'good'. I was suprised to see Eko later cutting down these trees. I wonder if the 'good' trees are blessed somehow and therefore make them a good choice to use in building a church. This came back to me when I saw him cross himself with the water in the bucket (whether it be correctly or incorrectly)...

Great work! Stay LOST!

[Rob]

It's a bit late, but you guys deserve major props for the Lockdown podcast. That map would be a major mystery for a lot of us w/o your research. I can't imagine the work that goes into prepping for an 1 hr 45 min podcast, but you guys do it every week and are consistently on point. Just want you guys to know its appreciated. Thanks.

[wuddlewaura]

They're called "Oyster crackers"!

[Pirate Guy]

Arrrrrrr. Thanks for the mention guys! Much appreciated!

[Randarr]

LOL, I see somebody already referenced this, but Cerebus is the aardvark character in Dave Sim's landmark independent comic book. :-)

It just goes to show how things change, though. I can remember when many people mispronounced Cerebus as Cerberus. Now we've gone full-circle.

[Reynaldo Davila]

Um I have a question about the food drop.
Why didnt the plane that suposely droped the box with food crash into the island like the oceanic flight did? The fact that it didnt makes me wonder if the pilots intentionaly crashed the plane into the island.

[tracic67]

First time poster, always been a listener. I just wanted to say thanks to you guys for the podcasts. Major Lost fan and major theorist. I tend to agree with a lot of what you guys say, plus what is out on the boards (most of the time). Every week, I have to argue and convince my roommates what is going on with Lost. Too bad I don't live near you (Orlando, FL). I am the girl you guys are looking for to spice things up in the podcasts. Stay Lost!

[Joe Green]

Hey guys. Another great podcast. Just wanted to say that I think Libby is being made out to be really evil and sinister when we don't really have any evidence of that. She has this reputation as a compulsive liar just because she said Hurley stepped on her foot.. he could have done. Even if he didn't, one little pork pie like that doesn't qualify her as an evil genious.

I don't think she's been stalking Hurley either. There have been alot of character connections in the show so far, but in almost every case the characters are unaware of the connections they share. I don't see why the writers would suddenly want to break this convention, nor do I see why this has to be any different with Libby and Hurley. They wouldnt have to see each other in the institution much - just enough to warrant Hurley asking if he recognised her (which he did). She looked so drugged up that she robably can't remember much in the way of faces from when she was there. It makes total sense that she could just like Hurley (with no master plan) and feel like nurturing him. This is behaviour we have seen from Locke's fiance (futurama lady a.k.a. peggy bundy) who looked after him after recovering from alcoholism herself.

I think that, all in all, Libby has been short changed with fan opinions of her. Most of the bad feeling towards her probably comes from some earlier feeling that there was something creepy about the tailies, a feeling which many fans have been unable to totally let go of.

Anyway, this post has gotten alot longer than I intended it to. Keep up the great work.

(p.s. if you feel like sending me some money for a flight I'd be happy to put on a dress and do the podcast with you guys :D)

[cole]

you guys mentioned that Libby "cleans up well for a crazy woman". Don't forget about the Bad Twin ideas. I've been hearing a lot of people on the island saying that "I'm not a BAD person", especially Henry Gale. I want to suggest that the Libby we saw in the institution is the Bad Twin of the Libby we know on the island.