LOSTCasts 29: Live Together, Die Alone

In this latest podcast, we discuss all the ins and outs of the season 2 finale of LOST, Live Together, Die Alone. The reactions have been good, and we certainly have a lot to talk about. In this podcast we discuss Desmond's backstory including Widmore, Libby and Kelvin. We also talk about the showdown in the hatch between Locke, Desmond and Eko, as well as speculation about who's alive and what really happened. In addition, we talk about the quest to find Walt including Sayid's failed plot, the 4-toed statue, speculation and Henry Gale's group of others, the release of Michael and Walt, and much more. We've also got some great LOST links, coverage of the LOST Experience and some preliminary information about what season 3 has in store.

Download podcast #29 here

Links related to the podcast:
General reactions on The Fuselage
Wikipedia entry for "Our Mutual Friend"
"Our Mutual Friend" for free at Project Gutenberg
Wikipedia entry for Penelope
Lost-tv.com transcript for "Live Together, Die Alone"
Magnetism in birds
Wikipedia entry for "Island" by Aldous Huxley

LOST links:
LOST video game announcement
Details about LOST mobisodes
LOST action figures

LOST Experience links:
HansoCareers.com website
Hugh McIntyre interview on Jimmy Kimmel
Save Joop website

Remember, we'll be podcasting over the summer! After a week off, we'll be back the weekend of June 10th with a theory podcast.

Tell us what books you'd like us to review over the summer by voting here. Stay LOST.

Comments

[matt beale]

woooooooooo!!!

Just to say, big thanks to all of you for your hard work over this season, you've got a great podcast....

Have a great summer - look forward to Season 3!

[Cameron]

Ditto. Your podcasts have really made this season of LOST an outstanding experience. I don't know how we got by in Season 1.

[rubycalaber]

Oh man, a LOST video game, awesome. If it's as good as 24: The Game or Alias I'll be happy.

Anyway, great podcast, not just this one, all of them, thanks for making season 2 that much better, if it's possible to make LOST anybetter.

Oh yeh and Zeke got owned, "where's your beard?". Also Alex is hot.

[Matt Lafferty]

Indeed, many thanks for all the fine work done by Brian, John, and Robert, as well as Matt and Joy. One small area that I think deserves a mention is that the three core guys have been flexible for the listeners, whether it's keeping language to a minimum, or keeping spoilers at the end (a big thanks for that!), or by adding guest hosts (a super big thanks!). That last point is perhaps the biggest one, because the awesome job that the three of you do could easily lead to egos that wouldn't want to share. The fact that you've brought in the different perspectives that Matt and Joy offer is a real treat.

And now, a quick plea... PLEASE consider adding graphic novels like "Watchmen" and "Kingdom Come" to your summer reading list! I am NOT saying this from a "comic book nerd" point of view; I have a BA in Literature (and teach language arts at the middle school level) and consider these two books to be the best of the best and very capable of being explored with the same literary analysis tools which we all use for Lost and traditional printed media. In fact, I wrote my senior thesis on "Kingdom Come" being a Postmodern literary work, and believe me, if I was able to get 30 pages on it, you brilliant guys and gals will find it a captivating read!

Thanks again for a great first season of LostCasts!

[madmav]

Haven't listened to this yet, but don't you think the Cuse and Lindelof confirmed Dessie isn't dead by saying "we really hope desmond isn't dead" or something to that effect..
Lookin forward to listenin

[korrinn]

just random... the door wasnt closed, so there wouldn't be any pressure building it up in order to launch it into the land, let alone that high

[Art Vandelei]

About why Fenry wanted locke not pushing tjhe button isntead of lettin it happen himself:
Maybe the others consider locke as a menace, and Fenry is trying to tare down his confidence, besides getting the button pushing to an end. It mayalso has to do with the incident requiring a certain timing for the others

[Art Vandelei]

About the hatch door flying around the island,
Maybe Ecko had a rage atack trhew it away.

[Brandon]

Hey guys, I look forward to your discussion of the Lost episode every week just about as much as the episode itself.

There is one point, I suppose in Spoilers if you consider the Official Lost Podcast to be spoilers, that I can't believe you didn't touch on this week. Damon said, in his usual non-commital but plainly insuating way, that we saw the monster more in season 2 than we think, just that we didn't know it was the monster.

Kate's horse maybe? Eko's brother, (Remy?) in Eko's and Locke's dreams? Other island visions perhaps?

Just thought that might be fodder for your Theory Cast in two weeks.

Stay LOST!

[ChrisJ]

Apologies if this has already been discussed, but here's my theory about The Others.

Suppose "the incident" Kelvin mentioned in the finale was not scientific in nature. Suppose it was a falling out between Widmore and Hanso. Perhaps Widmore wrestled control of The Hanso Foundation from the hands of Alvar Hanso (for an as yet undetermined reason) and cancelled any projects that were deemed unncessary (i.e. the Dharma initiative).

I think The Others are the scientists from the Dharma project. I think they continue to pursue their whacky projects on the island under the cover of castaways (which explains the fake beard, the fake village, Walt's revealation that "they're pretending", etc.).

For some reason, The Others have it in for Widmore. I think they have many more resources available to them on the island than we have seen. I think The Others are the ones hacking into the Hanso Foundation's Web site and trying to reveal the dark secret(s) that Widmore is trying to cover up.

Therefore, The Others = Good; Widmore/Hanso = Bad.

Not quite sure why they want Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. Perhaps they consider them a threat to their work on the island, or they are afraid the three may blow their cover.

Not quite sure who is bank rolling their operation since somebody has to be paying for food drops and supplies. Perhaps it is Penelope Widmore?

Whaddaya think?

[lythewish]

We can't forget the Arctic theme in the comic book that Walt was reading with the polar bears in season one. I just read it once, but wasn't there a buried facility in the Arctic where they were storehousing the alien?

[Mrs. Hurley]

Hey guys

just a quick detail i havent seen mentioned anywhere else (though it might have been). We were just rewatching the finale before listening to your podcast and we noticed that Eko is writing 9 22 in his jesus stick just before Desmond does the lockdown. And we think he was checking the papers from the Pearl hatch and he too saw that the system failure ocurred the same day the plane crashed. I know what we have seen so far is that he mainly writes scripture in his jesus stick. But he says to Claire in an older episode something about writing things he needs to remember on the staff...

Anyway, same as everybody has said, we love the podcast and this season wouldnt have been the same without it.

Cheers

[Raz Minder]

Great job as usual on the podcast.

For your theory cast, I hope you bring up the whispers, which were heard right before Jack and Co. were ambushed by the onslaught of blow darts. They seemed to whisper 'Elizabeth' and perhaps another name. But the 'Elizabeth' reference (to the deceased Libby) is certainly a bit random, well, with the exception that Michael killed Libby, of course.

Last time we heard the whispers, I believe, was right before Shannon was shot (and right after Cindy was apparently taken).

The whispers seem to coincide with the Others (at least in these last few instances), but what, exactly, is causing the whispers, and why do they have the propensity to utter names of the dead or voices of the dead... case in point...

...Sawyer hears the voice of the man he was conned into killing, Frank Duckett, say "it will come back around."

When Shannon is shot, the voice of Boone has supposedly been heard, and said "hi sis" and "death sucks."

Not sure what exactly Sayid heard, or any other instances of the whispers I may be missing, but this is one of the more intriguing, seemingly supernatural, elements of the show that I haven't heard enough good theories about.

[Mr Hurley's Food Stash]

Hey Guys

Like everyone else I'd like to say thanx for the podcasts this season and I'm glad we'll have more over the summer.

I'd just like to make a quick reference to a film called 'The Crazies' I watched about a year ago. When Kelvin was pulling Desmond back to the hatch from the beach it very much gave me a feel of 'The Crazies'. I'm not sure why but it was to do with the way the scene was shot, the sound and Kelvin in the yellow hazmat suit! I've put a link to Wikipedia but it's a 'Romero' film and I believe the writers have mentioned him before (Day/Dawn/Night of the Dead shot of 'the others')

Additionally, it reminds me of the sickness references in a way. In 'The Crazies' we have an epidemic of violent insanity after the accidential release of a biological weapon by the Military. While in Lost we seem to have references with the sickness inducing some level 'craziness' or 'Insanity' rather than physical effects. (Rouseau mentions this). Personally, if anything I just believe it to be more of a nod again to Romero rather than any hint to the overall theories.

Few thoughts...you mention about the numbers actually being a good thing but to Hurley they are bad. However, maybe they are protecting Hurley also?! If Libby IS a black widow and she had her eye on Hurley, she's now dead as a result of being on the Island from the numbers, maybe all the weird things that have happened to Hurley have been to protect him in some way...but we don't know how to be honest!

Alright...that's it for now.

Stay Lost

[Mr Hurley's Food Stash]

Link for above post - Sorry!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crazies

[CarrieB]

I haven't had a chance to listen yet, but I just wanted to add my graditude for all of the work you guys do. I look forward to your podcasts as much as I look forward to new episodes. Your work absolutely enhances my Lost experience. I look forward to reading along with your summer book review. Thanks!

[biolite]

Just downloaded the podcast, before I get to it I just wanted to thank you guys for enhancing the second season of Lost. Quite honestly, you made a great season even more enjoyable, thanks!

[LousyOverworkedSchoolTeacher]

Hey- I think that four toes as the next step in human evolution is from an episode of Star Trek TNG. I've actually gotten the feeling that there's quite a bit of Star Trek in lost (besides several shared actors). Its interesting that Damion and JJ are slated to make the next Star Trek movie.

[crapjohnson]

Nooo! I can't believe one of you guys actually believed that insane idea about Jack being one of the Brazilian guys at the end, besides there being proof it was another actor posted, along with the fact it would make NO sense for Jack to be looking for the island for Penelope while at the same time HE IS ON THE ISLAND, Damon and Carlton in the latest Official Podcast said themselves that guy was not Jack. I've just been reading this everywhere and the whole thing was ridiculous so I just wanted to clarify that.

[Cameron]

Excellent podcast, once again! A fantastic wrap up for LOST season 2.

Upon listening to your discussion of my comments, I'm thinking maybe my reaction to the finale was not as considered as it might have been. I was still disappointed, but maybe the proper context to look at the this thing is that the writers have not ruled anything out character wise. I am also heartened that in the official podcast Lindleloff and Cuse have said that the first block of Season 3 will come back to the characters. Damn, I hope that Desmond and Locke will be back!

Plus, you guys have drawn out a few ideas that show that there is a lot of potential for LOST to have an interesting Season 3. I am definitely looking forward to the podcasts over the break, as I am sure many others are too.

Thanks for all the time that you guys (and Joy) have put into this thing. The work really shows, and it’s why you get the kind of reviews that you have been getting

[James Wicks]

Great job guys as usual, although I was disappointed you didn't mention the anagram of Len Cordova's name :)

James

[Art Vandelei]

I don't and never did think the Brazilian guy was actually Jack. Don't know if someone really did. WhatI think is that maybe him being such a Jack Lookalike is not random.

Art Vandelei

[Conrad from Pennsylvania]

It seems to me (if you check out IMDB) that they've take a lot of people from the X-files. A lot of the periphary people and some of the main people had once been on.

[LousyOverworkedSchoolTeacher]

Hey guys I thought I'd just remind all the Matt Jones haters out there of one crucial point: in podcast number 18 our boy Matt called the reason why the plane went down.

[Dave (from the UK)!]

Just a note, the 'cage' you refer to in the Podcast is a Farraday Cage, not a 'Ferris'/'Ferrous' Cage :)

[Katerina]

What is the email for Lostcasts? I was hoping you guys would put up a complete list of all the books, whether directly mentioned, having some ideas related to Lost, etc. Is there anybody who has the list up on the net?

[DnG]

Hey guys!

Congratulations for an EXCELLENT podcast this week! :)
And you DID IT! A 2 hour podcast! W00T!!

Just wanted to say THX for all your effort in contributing a BIG part in the whole LOST experience!

Can't wait for the "Theory Cast" and the other podcasts during the summer!

Have a great summer and see you guys in September!

DnG

Stay L O S T

[tracic67]

After listening to your podpast for the finale, it got me thinking about Fake Henry. You guys brought up that he in fact pushed the button and most likely brought the blast doors down. In the finale, we were never told what happened to Radzinski. Is it a far stretch to think that Fake Henry is really Radzinski? Just a thought.

[Dean]

tracic67,dont u remeber when calvin showed desmund that brown spot and said this is ridinski? calvin said in the finnale that ridzinski put a shotgun in his mouth while he was asleep and blew his brains out....very sad and creepy.

[Dean]

guys, i was looking at was that statue on the island and decided to researched it further. I found at that it is probably of greek or roman make because of the sandal size, they go up the legs instead of just cutting off, wikipedia agrees here.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandal_%28footwear%29, in the History section

[Dean]

guys, i was looking at that statue on the island and decided to research it further. I found out that it is probably of greek or roman make because of the sandal size, they go up the legs instead of just cutting off,wikipedia agrees in the History section here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandal_%28footwear%29,

DISREGARD ABOVE POST
sorry i was gonna hit the preview button but i hit th post instead

[LousyOverworkedSchoolTeacher]

Hey guys I thought I'd just remind all the Matt Jones haters out there of one crucial point: in podcast number 18 our boy Matt called the reason why the plane went down.

[Rey]

i just watched the episode again on abc.com
and paused the imgae when the others and walking down the dock with kate,sawer,hurly, and jack I LOKKED AT IT VERY CLOSELY THEY DO HAVE 4 TOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can someone with a tivo and a hd tv look at it closely for conformation

[madmav]

Everyone has 4 toes Rey. :)

[Rey]

what do u mean madmav

[Wisdomlikesilence]

Id just like to add to what a few people have been saying about Watchmen. The appearance of the Statue fragment does seem to be a deliberate reference to Ozymandias (look upon my works ye mighty and despair).

Ozymandias of course, was also the name taken by the character in Watchmen who concieves of a plan to save the world by drawing together Artists writers and Scientists to a mysterious Island to create his Teleportation monster.

I mean how long does it take for the other shoe to drop? Lost clearly takes as its central theme an idea something similar to watchmen.

[crapjohnson]

Also, I've found out that what Jack, Kate and Sawyer were shot with actually were tazer darts that delivered a shock. Besides the fact you can hear the zapping noise when they go down, later on we see some Others holding some kind of remotes, probably used to deliver the shock without use of wires attached to the darts:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5674/doopi9vc.jpg

[Kevbo]

I don't mean this as a diss on any other Lost related podcasts, but you gentlemen without a doubt have the most literate and insightful podcast on the show. It's great to hear my thoughts vocalized after watching the show. Keep up the good work.

[Elisabeth]

Somebody already mentioned this, but when Jack is yelling at Michael for not leading them to the beach after they find the tubes, the name "Elizabeth" is clearly one of the things said by the whispers coming out of the jungle. Just thought I'd point that out - I'm a bit confused as to why they'd say that, considering Libby wasn't with them, etc., and she/Desmond's boat seem to be the only connection to that name. Probably means nothing, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.

I love your podcasts - this last one was excellent. Thanks for keeping it up!

[Matt Lafferty]

crapjohnson, awesome catch!

Wisdomlikessilence, an exellent point about "Watchmen." Again, I'll hop on the soap box and expand my earlier plea that the LiteratureCast include "Watchmen" and "Kingdom Come." Though both are graphic novels, I think they stand up well do thoughtful analysis.

Watchmen, I must admit, is the more dense and complex work: its overall story is told partially in flashbacks or out of order and certainly explores moral ambiguity and what heroic actions are.

Kingdom Come is near and dear to my heart and was the subject of a 30 page thesis that I wrote a few years ago. It too has an exploration of the nature of heroics, and I would argue that Locke's "heroic impotence" (his change from faithful to unfaithful to his "uh-oh" moment) mirrors Superman's heroic impotence. Kingdom Come also has Christian undertones roughly similar to those on Lost (though I'd argue that Lost is specifically meant to be multi-faith, not just Christian). I have argued that while I think the authors intended for Superman to be a Christic figure, it's Captain Marvel that really follows a Christ-like arc.

So Huzzah for "Watchmen" and double Huzzah for "Kingdom Come," vibrant literature in our midst!

[Rey]

@ elisabeth maybe they said elizabeth to tell try to tell them sayid was in their camp with the boat

[Karen LH]

Re: the hatch door flying through the air and landing on the beach. Is it possible that it is from a different hatch?

[LousyOverworkedSchoolTeacher]

Anyone check out who Radzinski is a reference to?

[Alex]

This Jack/Len comparison photo people are arguing about...
Someone link me?

[Blinder]

I read the Watchmen about four months ago and the graphic novel assault has been on ever since. I will definetely be bringing it into the spotlight on one of our upcoming summer casts. I've also enjoyed Kingdom Come along with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, V for vendetta, The Batman 100 4 issue series (greatness), and I'm halfway through The Preacher which I've been enjoying to no end (HBO! Here's your next killer series). While The Watchmen makes total sense for Lost pralels I'm having a harder time seeing that in Kingdom Come beyond the whole "who watches the watchmen?" theme of a Heroes protection going sour. So, Matt, if you want to make your case for Kingdom Come bearing thematic weight on Lost and coming up in a future cast I'm all ears.

[Irishpotter]

Great podcast guys! brilliant and interesting show......... Cant wait till the book reviews. I am starting King's the stand this week sooooooooo looking forwward to next lostcasts!

[Wisdomlikesilence]

Blinder and Matt, if you're really getting into 'graphic novels' then the king of them all is the Cerebus series. Especially...all of them. Church and state is my favourite though. although hard to get into perhaps as it is a commentary on a commentary about power and corruption. Its pretty funny too.

You might take a look at the equisite character development and meandering plotlines of Love and Rockets also. The Hernandez Borthers were probably the hippest comics artists of their generation and Love & Rockets is regarded as a fine example of 'magical realism' in the mode of Gabriel Garcia Marquez (Love in the time of cholera).

Note Cerebus and L&R are not novels but immense sagas, broken into volumes which comprise several months or years worth of the comic. It makes your comic collecting friends SICK AS PIGS when you just pick up a book which contains maybe 3 years of comic collecting and read it in one sitting!

[jg]

I think I'll be reading a little "Huxley" this summer. I suggest to anyone: Google-"aldous huxley island".

[Blinder]

Thanks Wisdomlikesilence, Once I wrap up the preacher I'll check out Cerebus. But even still, as far as comics relating to lost, The Watchmen has had more than a few references scattered across the series along with the producers mentioning it in various interviews. Has the Cerebus comic been referenced in Lost and we just missed it? The Preacher, which I'm reading now, is also a saga or 9 volumes anyway and while I don't have any comic book collecting friends to make sick as pigs as I charge on from one volume to the next, it does make some of my non-comic book reading friends sick in a different way, in the our-friend-is-regressing-into childhood kind of way. Screw them Comics rock.

[Scott Dodson]

hey guys,

I just want to say congratulations for your first year of podcasting. I've noticed a great improvement in the level of your work. You guys now speak with a great level of confidence, and it is clear that you have really come into your own with this project. Thank you for making LOST even more fun for the rest of us.

-Scott

[Wisdomlikesilence]

Blinder have you ever noticed that people who give out about comic books being lowbrow stuff are not exactly avid Joyce or Dostoyevsky readers (and think Balzac is a salad dressing) ?

Have to commend the boys and occasional girl for their thoughtful podcast. I wouldnt be posting here otherwise, Good work Fellas!

[lauren Flinner]

I think the whispers before everyone got shot with the blow darts were saying "elizabeth"...libby?

[Blinder]

Your right on the money, Wisdom. Balzac salad dressing. That's all kinds of wrong.

And thanks again to you and Scott and everyone for being kind enough to send good words sailing our way about the cast on this comments thread. I don't usually haunt comments sections because of the navel-gazing crap-a-thons that tend to take place in those places. So thanks to everyone in here contributing to this comments section and for making for a great read. It's all these intelligent people out here that make us sound like we know what we're talking about.

As always, be vocal about what you think of how it goes as we switch things up a bit over the summer. It's all about the audience input around here. Any improvement we've had over the course of the year can be tracked right back to a listener comment. So thanks again for all that good stuff.

[David C]

You were talking about Walt in the podcast and the appearance of the bird. I was under the assumption that during a stressful moment that Walt made the bird appear that he was looking at in the book. And also he made the polar bear appear on the island also. If you remember, Walt was reading that comic book that had a polar bear in the comic.

[Ian Fleming]

Hi fellas- Great podcast- you guys really embody the thing that makes Lost the best show on TV in years- a show that is written so people can have interesting and intelligent conversations about it. Thanks for addressing all the theories out there- no matter how far-fetched- that's what part of the fun of the show is all about, finding those connections.

I was suprsied you guys did not address what was mentioned on the offical podcast- that we HAVE seen the monster and just didn't know it.... Wonder where that conversation will lead???

Anyway- Looking forward to your podcasts over the summer to get me through, and keep the mythology alive.

-Ian

[tinysnuggle]

Fist time posting - I wanted to say how much I have enjoyed listening this year to your podcasts and how they have enhanced my viewing of the show. I can't wait to listen over the summer and to hear what you have to say next season. GREAT JOB!

[greyb1]

So in the podcast, you make the assumption that The Others are Dharma. You seem to state this as fact as though The Others claimed at some point to be Dharma. When was this? If so, why would Kelvin refer to them as the hostiles?

[Matt Jones]

I haven't listened back, but I don't think any of us made any definitive statement about the affiliation of the Others. I think I recall even suggesting that they could be Atlantians. Maybe we were leaning towards a Dharma connection, but as usual it was just speculation.

[Matt Lafferty]

Why is it that I'm always falling asleep in bed then suddenly have Lost ideas?!

Anyway, I'd like to suggest that the TheoryCast include some serious cross examination of what the creators have said. By that, I refer to some of the things which at this point must be disregarded, such as statements like "We the creators have never said the year the show takes place" and "rearrange the letters of the "Bad Twin" author and it spells purgatory" and especially "there was a burning cigarette in the Pearl!"

The plane crashed in 2004, period. The island exists in the real world, period. And darnit, there was no burning cigarette in the Pearl! Including the Widmore sign over London, but making it too small, that's an error on the part of a digital artist who probably didn't have enough time or review to finish the job right. A burning cigarette that you can't see? That's a "TV-101," welcome to the days of black-and-white TV kind of thing which is solved by simply putting the prop in the shot.

My point is this: I think that the wonderful, amazing, creative creators are guilty of making both in-show and out-of-show references that are meant to deliberately mislead their intelligent audience. Now, I don't mean "mislead" as in a funny-ha-ha reference to "Are You There God" or even a debate-inspiring reference like the circle shape outside the Pearl (fine fine, or the question mark shape...).

Let's not forget that this is a show which asks its viewers to watch Locke bang on the hatch after Boone died (season 1, roughly episode 16), wonder where the light came from inside the hatch, and remember it enough to have an "a-ha!" moment at the end of season two (roughly 34 episodes later) when Desmond flashes the light up.

To throw things on the path hoping that we'll trip up is kinda uncool... but it's something that we should be on the lookout for when evaluating theories and the show!

[Arik Astrobomb]

This is something I haven't seen mentioned yet, but sounds directly off of your (podcast) idea, dealing with Jack and Sayid's "Plan."

The two guys playing chess in the research station, one of them tries to convince the other that "It only appears he is losing." "It's all part of the strategy." I think this is a clue that there IS plan we weren't told about. Since we know that Jack is good at playing games, and tricking his opponent into thinking they have a chance at winning even when they don't.

I couldn't tell how many moves into the game they were, and if the position of the pieces could also be a reference to anything? There are many types of named chess styles and openings. Someone who knows more about Chess may shed some insight?

The fact the board gets knocked over may also mean something?

(This is a longshot) But while on the chess thing- If you take the actions on the show to represent Chess moves, and asume FHenry is the "King." When the Losties lock him up, he is in check. This would explain the reason Miss Cleu (Bea) tells Micheal that they can't get him. (Out of check) When they turn Micheal into an Other, he eliminates the piece(s) which held the King in check.

I realize this would mean tons of illegeal moves in "real" chess, however, the idea fits into the way the writers tend to grab bits from other books or ideas and twist them around to work for the show.

This Chess idea also opens up another Book to look into if you already haven't "Through the Looking Glass" by Lewis Caroll, which (as I'm sure you know) is the other book dealing with Alice's adventures in Wonderland. "Looking Glass" is all about getting across the chess board, and really wierd things going on. Sounds like LOST to me.

Keep up the great Podcast!

[Napoleon Dynamite]

Hey guys, wicked job on the podcasts, sadley i only started listening after ep 19 but i will be listening all next season thats for sure...

anyway got these classic lost pictures in an email and found them funny so here they are

"Lost Fiction"
http://i3.tinypic.com/116ncll.jpg

"Jin-zie"
http://i3.tinypic.com/116ox0p.jpg

[Art Vandelei]

This is to Arik Astrobomb:
Don't know about the chess thing, but I agree with the fact that they showed us Jack being good at games (poker) might mean they are up to something and ther is more than what we saw (what appeared to be the stupidest plan ever)

Art Vandelei

[Matt Jones]

Arik,

The Chess angle is interesting. The move by the Others isn't necessarily illegal. If a pawn makes it to the other side of the board it can be become a queen. In this case Michael would be the pawn that made it to the other side.

[sam]

yeah, great podcast. I hope you guys have a great summer. Anyways, about the 4 toes, I saw a shot where a few of the people had 5, like we normal people do, and a shot where some had 4 THAT WE COULD SEE!!! The other toe (the pinkey toe) could be hidin. Anyways, just my speculation.

Stay LOST over the summer,
Sam

[Chris in Oly]

Hello-

Just listened to the pod cast about the hatch and the electro/magnetic expirement and the island in a snow globe.

Although I had initially thought it was the opposite, it appear that during lockdown the electro/magnetic expirement was energized to bring in the food shipments.

I would bet that the swan hatch was built to make it easier to access the island. The electro/magnetic expirement could be remotely activated or activated on a timer (as done on the lockdown episode) to bring in food.

The Oceanic Air plane was brought to the island during a failure of the electro/magnetic expirement. It opens a doorway through the snow globe to bring things in.

I would also guess that the other visitors - Henry Gale and Desmond - were brought to the island during either a food drop or a similar failure of the electro/magnetic expirement, aka an 'incident'.

Fenry made the point that once Mike and Walt left the island they would not find it again. Desmond said he could not get away form the island, he stayed on a single course but ended back on the island. So the electro/magnetic field keeps people out and keeps people in. Whether it is as simple as a magnetic field that screws up your compass so you cannot keep a proper heading or whether it is some sci-fi type field that separates the island from the outside world, cannot guess.

Penelope has a listening post in Antartica (all snowy places look the same to me) to try and locate the electro/magnetic expirement to track the island or find the natural entrance.

So my guess:

The island is naturally hidden due to the electro/magnetic nature of the island. The island has unusual powers (healing, etc.) and was very difficult to find. Possibly, if this is Atlantean or something similar, the electro/magnetic field was made by the original 4 toed inhabitors of the island.

When Dharma found the island they built and used the swan station to open the 'door' to the island and let people in and out to investigate it. Either building it from scratch or uncovering the existing 4 toed person mechanism and putting a station on top of it.

After Daniele and her team crashed on the island and the incident occured, the remote operation of the hatch was suspended and it only operated on a timer for the food drops. Dharma kept feeding the poeple in the hatch hoping to curry favor and get let back into the island to study it. It would be a relatively cheap way to keep favor with whoever is manning the station.

It would seem that around the incident there was a philosophical disagreement when the 'Others' led by Fenry ended the connection to the outside world and the investment of Dharma/Hanso/Widmore.

Widmore keeps people - Henry in his balloon and race around the worlders - near the last known location of the island - in order to sneak them onto the island during a food drop or similar event. It has to be more than coincidence that both the real Henry Gale and Desmond where on Widmore related activities when they got sucked into the island that no one else could find. I wonder if there is a Widmore connection between Eco and his drug plane.

So if the electro/magnetic expirement is a door, then Desmond, Lock and Eco may be wherever the door opens up - antartica?

Sad as it may seem, this makes much more sense to me than the Diary writer on the ABC lost page snuck into the hatch and intiated lock down proceedures.

Let me know how crazy this is to anyone else. I need to get out more...

[Danie]

All birds have magnetite in their brains. So do all mammals, including humans.

[Matt Jones]

Chris in Oly,

I like it. Sounds as plausible as anything else I've read.

[li_oz]

Great podcast. Looking forward to the theory cast.

Two other ideas:
The compass on Desmond's sailboat could have been thrown off by the electro-magnetic fields on the island, making him circle it instead of getting away. (The fact that Zeek gave Michael what sounded like a longitudinal heading instead of cardinal direction could support this.)

Also, on a much simpler level, the guys in the tracking station could have been receiving a signal from a tracking device on Desmond's boat. The signal was probably hidden when he ran ashore on the island. When hatch blew, it might have dispersed the fields shrouding the island, making it possible for them to pick up the signal. Seems like something his girlfriend might have done to make sure she wouldn't lose him again.

[David]

I'm not sure, it said electromagnetic anomaly (or something along those lines) so that strikes me as something to do directly with the pulse from the hatch. not some kind of transponder/tracker thing.

[rubycalaber]

http://copafeel.ytmnd.com/ ;\

[Andre]

Hey guys,

Love the podcast and cant wait to listen every new ep.

I think I caught an important clue while listening to the writers talk on the official podcast. It concerns the monster and I believe we were thrown a VERY vague clue as to the fact it may be Vincent.

Listen starting at 18:30 when they start the monster discussion and how it will definitely be in season 3. Even better, we will know why we "have seen the monster and not realized it". Now, right after this at about 18:56, Carlton Cuse says "is there any other cryptic, KRYPTO, information we can tell them?" Immediately it made me think that he was telling us, albeit in a very obscure way, that ITS THE DOG(you know - Krypto is superman's dog. We know these guys read comics avidly) Maybe it was just something in the tone of his voice, but Im thoroughly convinced this is what he was kinda saying.
I mean, why would you say KRYPTO when you are describing cryptic things? I dunno. Its a reach, but i hope to be proved right in only one year ;__;

Peace out guys!!
Andre

[Taylor]

Ha! If Vincent's the security system...that'd be too funny! But then...how would that explain Vincent just being a dog in the first season? Oh god, maybe Vincent died, but the smoke thingy picked up on it because when we first see the dog, he's coming outta the jungle!! Duuuuuuude!! =8-0

[Todd]

Great thought Andre!!!

[mike f]

i'm thinking cuse and damon may have been talking about the dreams/visions. these could be the monster working in ways we did not know about.

[BG]

You said the numebers did good things for the people. but after it does something good for you bad stuff happenes.

People in the seats where the numbers were survved but they are still on a island.
hurley won the lottery but libby gets shot etc etc.

read this eat it chew on it abit its delicous.

[Bg]

I am making you guys a sample web banner do you want your guys name on it?

[BG]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/blaine1234/lost-casts.gif

[BG]

watch it for awhile Bc it does something

[Blinder]

BG

A web banner? To advertise our podcast you mean? If so that's awesome and no we don't need our names on there. who cares about us. A podcast about Lost is why folks listen. But if you wanted to use the "Lostcasts reads the Lost forums so you don't have to" or recently an AP news realease said we're like the "Graduate school for Lost talk" I thought that was pretty cool.

If your making the web banner for our masthead of the site then I'd say hold off, I've got a plan for our site's summer redesign already. I'm an Art Director by trade and kick myself everytime I come to the site for not lifting a finger on the design of it.

But thanks for getting inspired by what we're doing and helping out. Much appreciated.

[BG]

I think john just said he would love to see what i made.

but so you know photoshop?
B/c i am 14 and I always enjoy a good photoshopping.
I usually find site on the internet see pics that could be enhcnced and enhancer the pics for them. even if i dont like the stuff on the site.

[Matt Lafferty]

Andre,

Very nice catch! Personally, as per my post about us being a bit skeptical of the info that the creators give us via podcasts, interviews, etc, I choose to think that they are yanking our collective chain to make us think that Vincent is the monster. I mean, it's a cute theory but I'll throw my shoe at the TV if it all ends up being "Planet of the Dogs" (though dogs do have four toes, so... hhmm...).

Brian,
Thanks for the vote of confidence about "Kingdom Come!" I'll put together some of my thoughts and send it down your Lostcasts way. Also, concerning the AP article that you made reference to: do you happen to have a link to the article? I bet that a number of us would get a kick out of reading the article. As myself and others have noted before, it's fantastic how ego-free you, John, Robert, and Matt and Joy are... but come on, if the AP mentioned you all, let us know! I think most of us see the LostCasts team as "our team" and we're always rooting for you.

While I'm blabbing away and you had brought up the site design, Brian, I just want to pipe up and say that I love the somewhat minimal design! I think that threaded forums have the downside of being a bit unwieldy for longer threads, whereas here the episode/podcast of the week has its own thread at the top of the site, and within that thread everyone shares equally. "Bad" ideas fade away, and the good ones keep everyone talking.

Just like that link above that shows Alex a-squeezin' Kate! Lemme go click again!

[mamakau]

Great podcast, I'm a big fan....Just wanted to share one of my theories...in the podcast, you mentioned how Ethan tried to kill Charlie and Goodwin killed that other guy...however, following along the theory that the others really are "good people", my theory is that Ethan and Goodwin were on a suicide mission. The others really are good people, and Ethan and Goodwin sacrificed themselves for the greater good.

[sam]

all of this crap coming out for LOST is making me feel weird. "mobisodes" "video games" "action figures"? What will they come out with next? LOST blowup dolls??? I mean come on. I love, LOVE, LOST as much as the next guy or girl, buit come on. This is getting rediculous.

Sam

[Tyler Hunter]

Hey, Wouldn't it be cool if they show the Islands past? Obveously the island can control things and it wants certain people to live and die. So, I hope, in an upcoming season (or the last season) they will show thw islands past. That would be aw.

-Tyler

[Jordan]

the other night my sister and I were watching an older episode of Lost and she made some comment about how she wanted to see Eko start whacking people with his Jesus stick.

this sparked a revelation and i ran upstairs and grabbed my Bible. i flipped to the 4TH book which just so happens to be NUMBERS (i'm sure you all know this but besides the actual numbers themselves, it's the name of an episode in season 1).

so i'm thinking that was a neat coincidence when i decide to turn to the 8TH chapter of Numbers and quickly read through it. nothing popped out at me until i read the name AARON (Claire's child).

i tried to find other clever ways of implementing the numbers in relation to the Bible but didn't notice anything past that.

still thought it was neat though.

P.S. i love your work!

[Cameron]

Matt Lafferty: I'm with you re the site design and the single thread format. Not having to wade through 3-4 screens to read threads is a major plus.

The only change that I would nominate - but this just may not be possible to automate without major coding - is some bookmark HTML tags under the bold font 'Comments' header to allow us to jump down to, say, every 20th comment or whatever.

I think like most people I kind of hit the site, see the comments counter has gone up since my last visit because I remember roughly how many were there before, then scroll down to try to find where I was up to from before.

As I say, that may just not be doable easily - so I am happy to keep scrolling - it is a million times better than clicking on thread links, especially last week when the Fuselage was near out of commission for about 24 hours straight. It must have been that darn EMP pulse in the finale!!

[Nathan T-Smith]

General Season 3 speculation,

We have not seen the last of Walt (I Hope) Vincent has found him once he will find him again.

Desmond, Ecko and Locke will never be the same again whether its the sickness or a massive healing property of the island i dont know.

Island flashbacks, two big stories to be told the 4 toed statue and the black rock.

Roussou will play a bigger part, she knows more than she is telling.

Jack, Kate and Sawyer are wanted by the others not for experiments but as new members of their group, they are stong fit and leaders. the others want to strong people who they will be able to convince to do their dirty work. Thats why they didnt want eko, jin etc.

Suns baby is somebodys on the island.........

Eko and locke will have another encouter with the monster and it will become their 'saviour'

Lostcasts will be better than ever.

Cheers for all the great work but everybody who contributes to this site. Keep it up....

Nathan from UK

[Nathan T-Smith]

General Season 3 speculation,

We have not seen the last of Walt (I Hope) Vincent has found him once he will find him again.

Desmond, Ecko and Locke will never be the same again whether its the sickness or a massive healing property of the island i dont know.

Island flashbacks, two big stories to be told the 4 toed statue and the black rock.

Roussou will play a bigger part, she knows more than she is telling.

Jack, Kate and Sawyer are wanted by the others not for experiments but as new members of their group, they are stong fit and leaders. the others want to strong people who they will be able to convince to do their dirty work. Thats why they didnt want eko, jin etc.

Suns baby is somebodys on the island.........

Eko and locke will have another encouter with the monster and it will become their 'saviour'

Lostcasts will be better than ever.

Cheers for all the great work but everybody who contributes to this site. Keep it up....

Nathan from UK

[jsr]

Question - What did the key really do??? Without pressing the button it looked like stuff was going to blow -and the key just seems to have expedited the process.

Any theories on what happened 'CAUSE of the button as opposed to what happened DISPITE the button?

[Matt Jones]

I like Vincent as the monster. It reminds me of John Carpenter's, "The Thing." Only in this case the monster is benevolent. I doubt this is what is happening, but it wouldn't piss me off. I think it is more likely that the monster has been the apparitions that have appeared before the Losties.

[Cihan]

Thanks for the podcast guys, its really been a great companion to the show, I look forward to many more in the future.

1] Ok, here's a theory for you guys. We assume the Portugese-speaking guys are in the north or south pole, because its snowing outside. What if they're in South America and the weather is just really messed up? Maybe the world HAS changed since the plane went down.

2] Are Jack, Kate and Sawyer the ones the Others have wanted all along? NotHenrey said something to the effect of that they werent expecting Walt? Or did he just mean they didnt expect Walt to be so powerful?

[Chris in Jackson MS]

Great podcast as usual guys, ditto everyone else's kind words.

Raz- regarding the whispers, I'm sure you've checked it out, but if not (or anyone else who hasn't), should really check out the whisper thread over at the Fuselage. We may not have "heard" the whispers since the scene with Shannon, but they've definitely been around. Some serious stuff in them there whispers!! Did you guys know that when the pychic's daughter wakes up on the coroner's table that she can be heard saying "John Locke".

Smoke Monster- I really took D and C's comments in the offical podcast to mean that we saw the smoke monster in the finale, but didn't know it. I believe we have a shape-shifter on our hands, and I think that perhaps the Hurley bird was the monster.

Hole in Plot? One thing is really, really bothering me about Fenry telling Locke that he never pushed the button. At the time, I thought he was trying to shake Locke's faith, which he did, so that our Losties would stop pushing the button. We also know now that Fenry did push the button, otherwise, all hell would have broken loose during Lockdown. But, had Desmond not come back to enlighten us on the key, not pressing the button would have basically caused the end of the world, as Cuse said, "the entire Earth sucked into itself". The only thing I can come up with is that Fenry did want Locke's faith shaken for some reason, but did not ever expect him to really stop pressing the button. Maybe he wanted to get in Locke's head just as a means for some sort of escape attempt later down the road. Whatever the case, had Locke stopped pressing the button before finding out about the fail-safe key, story over, planet over.

Regarding the four toe'd statue- someone else mentioned that they saw screen shots of the others on the pier and that they had four toes. I saw a comment from the TV Guide guy who does weekly interviews with TPTB and he said we should go back and look at Fenry's toes when he's on the pier. I have HD TIVO and I did go back and look, and I counted clearly five toes. If TPTB intended for them to have four toes, it was not executed properly. Could be a case similar to the infamous sign that D and C alerted us to early in the year but was not visible on TV, but my best guess is that they're having fun with somebody about the others on the pier having four toes.

[RobClock]

Guys,

I want to start off by saying that I truly enjoy your podcasts. Your contribution to the Lost community is unparalelled.

I just finished listening to the finale podcast and I can't believe that you didn't take the opportunity to jump on your pet theory, the Philadelphia Experiment.

You came oh so close, when talking about the possibility that Walt's psychic powers are related to electromagnetism. You then speculated that perhaps Walt is not actually in the boat, but projecting himself there. (I don't believe that is the case, but he has definitely projected himself before--and Ms. Klugh definitely believes he is capable of it.)

The Philadelphia Experiment used extreme levels of electromagnetic energy to remotely project a ship several hundred miles away. After being exposed to these high levels of electromagnetism, several of the sailors and witnesses of the experiment became sick, and in some accounts, died.

It is possible that Walt is somehow able to harness or influence the electromagnetic energy of the island to project himself, a la Philadelphia Experiment/Montauk Project. Wild speculation: Michael was one of the Montauk Boys (but has supressed the memory), and has a genetic disposition to the paranormal/supernatural. Hence, the Others' interest in him.

I think that a Philadelphia Experiment connection is more plausible, if not downright obvious, than ever. I hope you talk about this connection more in your theory-cast, because I think it can provide some insight into what may happen in season three...e.g. spread of sickness on the island, Walt and Michael's fate, ramifications of the release of a MASSIVE amount of electromagnetic energy, etc.

That's about it...with the exception of my "baseball theory," which involves the numbers (all retired by the New York Yankees--two Yankees with retired numbers are Whitey Ford and Yogi Berra--"Whitey" and "Berra"--white bear--Polar Bear); the names of the first person to die and the first person to be born on the island ("Boone" and "Aaron"--any Red Sox fan, circa 2003, will remember Aaron "Bleeping" Boone); the dog, (Faye) Vincent (former commissioner of Major League Baseball), who really runs everything; the character who miraculously recovers from a terminal illness, (Pete) Rose (who was banned from MLB for life by Faye Vincent, and who is hoping to "recover" from that "terminal" ban); and since 1918, there have been 108 players in the major leagues named "Sawyer." (Okay, I made that last one up.) I'm not sure how this all comes together to make a theory, but the truth is in there somewhere. ;-)

Anyway, that's it. Thanks again for all of the hard work. I look forward to seeing what you come up with this summer.

Stay Lost.
--
RobClock

[Matt Lafferty]

Cihan,
I LOVE the idea that the Portugese guys might not be in a "cold" area as we know it! Perhaps after some change they are in the "Miami Beach Station?"

Chris in Jackson MS,
Wow, does the psychic's daughter really scream "John Locke?" Does anyone have a link for that??!?!? As for your concern about the "hole" in the plot because Henry presumably pushed the button but wanted Locke to lose faith in it here's how I see it: Henry is merely the last in a line of people who believe in the power of the button. The difference is that, for whatever reason, Henry WANTS the button-pushing stopped. I think that is the reason that he doesn't look scared--in fact, I would say that he looks grimly triumphant, the way a general looks when he or she has won a battle despite heavy losses. Indeed, if the Pandora's Box theory for the hatch holds true, then something awful has been released. And just as we hope that Locke and Eko have survived, despite some evidence to the contrary, don't forget what was left in Pandora's box: hope.

RobClock,
Ha ha, nice Yankee theory! Would I be taking it too far to point out that at this point in time the only reason #42 has been retired is because MLB retired Jackie Robinson's number, not because he played for the Yankees? Perhaps it shows an interent instability in the protective nature of the numbers... anyway, thanks for a good chuckle!

[Taylor]

Dude, you guys referenced the Jack/Len picture my students and I created! That's fantastic. I'm gonna have to share that with them tomorrow. :D

[Matt]

Has anybody seen the "spoof" that appeared of Lost on Weebl's Stuff? I don't know what to make of it, but I thought i'd put it out there.
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/lost/

[Taylor]

Dig this. One of my students was all jazzed to learn Josh Holloway was born in San Jose, CA...so I IMDB'd him and he's in a new movie called (of all things)"Skinner Box"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0483806/

[Cihan]

Matt, I think having the Portugese guys in somewhere other than north/south pole would be in the vein of this show, heh.

Here's another literary/comic reference for you guys, I mentioned this way back but its worth mentioning again, considering the four legged statue we saw in this episode.

Tintin: Flight 714. If anyone's read this, and being a Tintin fanatic, I of course have: there are many similarities between this Tintin adventure and whats going on on Lost: flight to Sydney, an island in the Pacific, bunkers, ancient ruins, telepathic mind control. How does it end? With our heroes getting off the island but with their memories erased...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_714

[Matt Lafferty]

Cihan,
"How does [graphic novel Flight 714] end? With our heroes getting off the island but with their memories erased..." Holy Smokes... what an ending to the series that would be! With island memories erased (however it happens), everyone gets disbursed (however it happens). Then the screen goes to black and says "Six months later." Cut to a shot of the sky... the camera pulls back to reveal Jack looking out of a plane window, just as in the first flashback in episode one. The plane rattles a bit, and Jack looks over at the nervous flyer to his left--Rose. Instead of comforting her (as he did in the first episode), he frowns, then looks out the window again. Then, instead of the quick cut to the Lost logo, a simple... slow... fade to black.

[hayden]

i just wanter do make the conection about how in your podcast you were speculating about the conection between this episode and odisias. you said that penelope had 108 suiters so you probably already made the conection about the 108 seconds and the cooridates on the cumpas.
thanks and namaste