LOSTCasts 39: Every Man for Himself

This latest podcast focuses on season 3, episode 4 of LOST, Every Man for Himself. In the podcast, we've got some great listener comments to start things off. We discuss more about Desmond's psychic abilities, Sawyer's backstory and interaction with the others. We also talk about Jack's questions about who's in charge of the others, as well as his surgery and the mysterious x-rays. The revelation of the two islands is also talked about, and we revisit the mural in the swan hatch to bring some perspective to this discussion. We also talk about a few easter eggs that viewers have found, and of course, have plenty of LOST links and spoilers for you. As a note, we edited out a portion of the podcast, due to a dull experiment that we don't want to subject you to...

Download podcast #39 here

Links related to the podcast:
General reactions on The Fuselage
Wikipedia entry for Of Mice and Men
Wikipedia entry for Alcatraz
Wikipedia entry for Angel Island
Post on The Fuselage about "comms down"
Post on The Fuselage about intercom audio
Mural post on The Fuselage
Detailed images of the mural
Screencap of "eyepatch" in episode 5 promo

LOST Links:
Entertainment Weekly article about Heroes/LOST
Nobody's Watching LOST sketch (this got edited out)
Bo! In the USA LOST sketch

There's been some debate about whether or not we really need message boards, so we've created a survey to see what you think! Click here to take the survey.

Stay LOST.

Comments

[matt beale]

Cool! Saturday Podcast!

Not finished last weeks one yet!

Longest one since S2 Final - thanks!

[DAVEjr]

The name of the monster located on Hoth was the Wampa.

[Mike in the Box]

link for survey leads to "survey closed" page.

[SmokeMonster]

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=78210&fullsize=1

[Tommy]

you guys can't be that nerdy if you can't remember the Wampa.....

[Cihan]

1] Nice observation of the Others and their subtle military or intelligence vibe. Kelvin did work for the CIA, maybe there's a connection there.

2] Cartoons. Nice continuation of the 'Others are Pot farmers' theory!

3] Do you think Sun should name her child Moses, so him and Aaron can be buddies and then join forces to battle the Others a couple decades from now?

4] I did Film Studies (in the UK) and didnt get to see La Jetee. :(

5] Who's tumour? Alvar Hanso? I wasnt too into the Lost Experience, but vaguely remember reading Alvar was ill or something.

[Cihan]

Alcrataz. Interesting, one of you said the unique thing about that island was just how close to civilisation it was. If the same is of our Lost island that would be very cool. So Ben sending off Michael wouldnt be that crazy, our resident traitor might have found civilisation an hour later or something, but the island being cloaked and all, nobody would know where he came from.

Ok, probably not, but I would love it if the island was somehow really close to civilisation, the look on the Losties faces would be priceless.

[Matt Lafferty]

Nice solid podcast boys! Incedentally, as an anti-spoiler person, I appreciate that you all say a quick goodbye beofre you start the spoilers. After blabbing on here, reading the comments of others, and listening to the podcast, I feel better about the episode. Keep up the great work!

[kristenS.]

hey guys, i havent listened to the podcast yet so i dont know if u talk about of mice and men. i just read it in my english class, and after i write this comment i have to do an essay on it :( anyways i found that the ending of the book (book spoiler warning!) in which a man (george) kills his best friend (lennnie) could possibly have a connection to the others trying to turn jack into one of them. george kills lennie because of the other poeple george was with would have killed lennie anyways, george kills lennie out of mercy. if the others turn jack they may have him kill one of the losties because the others consider the losties "bad" just as george finds out that lennie is "bad" well thats my rambling theroy of the day, bye guys, stay lost

[Sarah]

@ Cihan, Kelvin was in the CIA? I thought from Sayid's flashbacks he was just way up there on the whole army line thing.

Hey, great podcast... I liked it a lot. Here are some things I wrote down while listening to it that I wanted to point out...

-I read Flowers for Algernon (is that the right name?) in 8th grade!! lol I heard yall say that and was like WOAH memory lane attack!
-The survey thing wasn't letting me vote because it led to a Survey Closed page, but I vote yes for message boards! That way people won't get all pissed about spoilers, and some stuff in the comments I don't neccessarily want to read and with a threaded message board I can look for the topics I want to read about.
-SPOILER: Well, not really, but involved the spoiler section of this podcast. Okay, so there was Dharma Surf box, right? Well, I've listened to a lot of stuff with Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) and he says that he learned to surf while shooting The Lord of the Rings in New Zealand and has tried to convince the writers to have Charlie find a surfboard along the beach (with LA and Sydney both being prominent surf spots)and trying it out. So maybe that box is for Charlie?

Anyways...love the podcast. Can't wait for Wednesday!
Stay LOST.
Sarah

[Cihan]

Sarah, I'm 80% sure Kelvin is from the CIA. Need another Lost geek to confirm this!

I'm also 50% on having a forum here. I mean it would be a natural evolution of this site and would organise our comments into threads which will be better, but I feel like I will be overwhelmed by a forum or something and not post much, becoming a lurker as a result. If you do make a forum, dont have a billion sections like the Fuselage, that place is like a maze. Just keep a LostCasts message board very simple: forums for each lostcast (spoiler and non-spoiler sections) and I guess an obligatory 'off topic' forum and I wouldnt feel too lost. Also: black background is a must.

Also, my last time defending the new Losties: There is simply no way new characters belonging to the survivor group could be introduced to the audience seamlessly, no matter how they're introduced; it would be jarring, because we've never seen their faces before. Fans moaning that the new characters needed to somehow introduce themselves to our main cast are not making any sense, we're to assume these characters have gone through everything the main cast has gone through and that everyone is on first-name basis now after 60-some days. So you know, considering the problems involved in introducing new characters from an established group in a short amount of time, I think the writers did the best they could. I'm actually glad the 'sex' scene was cut, it sounds very un-Lost-ish.

[Ben Rigas]

I thought the new look at the mural was interesting. One thing that I haven't seen mentioned was the blue arrow in the middle looks like it's pointing at 325 degrees... which is the heading that Ben said Michael and Walt should take to get out.

[Ben Rigas]

Here's a picture that shows the angle of the line on the mural http://www.atomspark.com/images/mural-325.jpg .. pretty darn close to 325 degrees.

[Matt Jones]

Wampa! (Slaps Forehead)

[Jack+Sayid=DurtyIslandLuv]

This looks funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQq_anEz7w

[Tommy]

If it makes Cihan post less, than I am all for a forum....

[Michael.]

Does series regular mean those actors that were there since season one?

[RyanPT]

Guys, I'm only about 38 minutes through this edition of the podcast, so if you've said anything about it later on, sorry if I'm a little late, but the cartoon that Jack is forced to watch isn't a Woody Woodpecker cartoon.

As far as I can remember, it's either a Daffy Duck cartoon or just a random no-name Warner Bros character and it involves a big vulture.

This seemed a lot more pertinent when I clicked the comments link. Oh well!

Stay Lost!

[Cihan]

If it means keeping po-faced trolls away I guess everyone's all for a forum Tommy.

Michael: I would assume 'series regular' means anyone on the main credits, so Desmond would count.

About the mural: I'm under the assumption that Ben and co arent too knowledgable about the Swan bunker, so could this mean that whoever drew the mural was not of his group then? I've always had a feeling that it was drawn by a kid (maybe a child of a Dharma scientist) and all the small details, such as the 108 and houses is knowledge the kid absorbed during his/her stay in the bunker (perhaps the Hydra among others too considering the fish biscuits), and the two faces at the top being his/her parents, perhaps 'Adam' and 'Eve'. Didnt their skeletal corpses have a black and white stone with them? Eerily corresponds with the black and white faces on the mural.

Havent seen this discussed much but I got the impression from Ben that Sawyer is only needed for a limited time before he can be discarded, i.e - killed. Cant find a transcript for the episode yet but I'm sure he said something to this affect to Tom.

[Bune]

Cool, downloading now, will post impressions after listening.

[Sarah]

Oh my gosh, I think there's a very good chance Sawyer is the one with the tumor! In 1x19 Dues ex Machina (I don't know if that's spelled right) Sawyer has headaches and tells Jack, "It's not like it's a tumor or something," and then later on says, "My uncle died of a brain tumor." I'm pretty sure tumors involve genetics, so what if Jack tries to do the surgery on him and can't remove it or messed up Sawyer? (Just pointing out the next few sentences are spoilers so no one like Tommy--seriously dude, get a life--is a complete freak to me.) What if Sawyer is the one who bites the dust in 3x05 The Cost of Living? There's not much else you can say about Sawyer's backstory...

Anyways, I'm watching that episode now so that's the reason for this random-type post.
Stay LOST.
Sarah

[John]

Survey is working now...

[Lost1]

The survey is not working.

[Lost1]

Nevermind.

[Justin]

"chinks in the armor"

best lostcast line ever.

[Frank Morris]

Alive & well
Love the podcasts
Stay Lost

[Frank Morris]

Tommy is a fucktard!

[JenC]

Just a quick note about the Heroes/Lost connection.. JJ Abrams and Greg Grunber are great friends. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've heard them refer to each other as "best" friends.

I'm not just a Lost fanatic, I'm a JJ Abrams fanatic. :)

[Mike]

"The sub's back"

I immediately took that to mean the sub GROUP is back.

The away team or whatever they were called when they went to get the sailboat.

[Raz Minder]

I'm putting my figurative money down on Radzinsky (sp.?) as the mysterious eye-patch man... which we probably won't find out for a long time anyway.

Radzinsky made the edits in the Swan station film strip, and Eko finds the splices in the box along with the glass eye. There is a reasonable connection.

The problem, of course, is that Radzinsky supposedly offed himself, at least according to Kelvin. Then again, Kelvin was lying to Desmond for 3 years so, in retrospect, why should we believe him. It might be that Radzinsky took off one day and Kelvin made up the suicide story in order to keep his ruse going with Desmond.

Ah, if only Kelvin could have given us a hint that ol'Radzinsky had a glass eye...

The interesting thing would be Radzinsky having a ton of knowledge about the island (he created the map, wrote [most of] the notations). But if I know the writers well, Radzinsky not only has a missing eye, but also lost his tongue in an unfortunate polar bear mishap.

eidlliwdiyas

[Raz Minder]

Re: the sub

Taking this off Lostpedia:

In the American Express Lost and Found section of ABC.com, one of the Every Man for Himself "Moments Missed" captions says:

"Did Ben say 'sub'? The Others have a submarine? Is this what Colleen meant about 'the Galaga'?"

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Since I'm sure the writing staff has a hand in pointing out these potentially missed details, it would seem likely that the Galaga is the name of the Others' submarine.

[Nathaniel]

Immediately when the connection was made about Desmond and Odysseus at the end of the season finale I went to thinking about the glass eye in reference to the cyclops from that story. So I already knew that a one eyed man would eventually be part of the story. So what does it tell us is going to happen? Desmond is going to vanquish the one eyed man. So if it was the cyclops father that caused Odysseus to crash on the island, is the cyclops part of Widmore if you assume that Widmore caused Desmond to crash on the island in the first place.

[musepsycho]

The Alan Moore comic you mentioned in the podcast is called "Lost(!) Girls". Stay lost!

[ilgrandesilenzio]

I vote yes for Ms. Lostcasts Babe,
but no for lostcasts forum.
:)

Some poor dude posted on Lostpedia forum and the Fuzzy Thinking police showed up faster than you can say fail-safe hatch implosion! I'm totally serious.

http://forum.lostpedia.com/showthread.php?t=753

They have rules on theories. You could just feel the enthusiasm get sucked out of the dude, like an unsuspecting airliner ripped from a clear blue sky... I say do unto others as Hurley would do unto you. And Hurley would not approve. I think they're going to let the guy off with a warning, but dang!

Forums get... formal. The uber comment thread seems some how more intimate and fun to me. I think it's because we're not just generic lost fans collecting info, we're also fans of your podcast. A forum might dilute that. just my opinion.

PS. "Negro" and "Chink"? I totally get the context(wiki quote) and circumstances, but I apply the Rule of Hurley and I come up with: "...dude...?"

[Guyver 0]

In regards to the promo:
I reckon that the man in the eye patch is the man that got Desmond Eko and Locke out of the hatch before it imploded. The promo suggests that the losties head to the pearl to see what happened to the hatch and the pearl was recording the swan.

Maybe the eye patch man is a man who perished in the first incident, but the second incident where the hatch imploded some how resurected the 'spirit, and he completed what he died doing, saving Hanso & De Groot, like the map says.

In regards to lost in general:
Also maybe the pearl will be of grave importance this season as it has may have recorded everything that the losties have done in the hatch, this may give explanation to alot of events, maybe show 'the map' again? Time and the idea of Time travel has alot to play in the lost universe. the pearl is a window into the past and Desmond is a window to the future. Maybe time is different on the 'Hydra' islandand so to the losties the island doesn't exist yet, as it hasn't been created yet. The implosion may have mixed up this idea of having two islands in different times, hence Desmond remebering future events.

[Cihan]

Sarah, I'd completely forgotten about Sawyer's 'tumour' comment, nice catch. However, its hard to think Ben's group would want to fix up Sawyer. Going with the theory though, maybe they took mandatory x-rays of the three and just noticed the tumour, without wanting to do much about it, maybe Juliet will be forced to tell Jack its Sawyers. Kind of stretching it, I dont think its Sawyers, but that tumour comment of his is interesting.

I think sub is referring to an underwater submersible, got to be, come on now. Although someone obviously needs to do a Subway parody on that clip with Ben though. Youtube people...

BTW I avoid the promos, wanting to experience an episode without knowing anything about it, yet am always spoiled in talkbacks. >_< Another reason for a forum I guess.

[Jonny Mc Fish Bizkit]

MR.EKO IS A GONNER

[Jonny Mc Fish Bizkit]

MR.EKO IS A GONNER

[Lost1]

http://www.surveymonkey.com/Users/13652181/Surveys/434762796775/C20C98D3-C7BA-4A4E-9C5F-4EC4F4F45D7B.asp?U=434762796775&DO_NOT_COPY_THIS_LINK

[Matt Lafferty]

Cihan,
You keep posting your heart out! Intelligent people are what makes LostCasts a cut above the rest.

[Jack+Sayid=DurtyIslandLuv]

Johnny you d*ck.

Not everyone wants to know who dies.

[Sarah]

@ Lost1, cool survey.

@ Cihan, yeah, it might be a big stretch for Sawyer to be the one with the tumor, but it'd be DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA! Oh, I watch Heroes and I always recognized Greg Grunberg from somewhere and the other day I finally realized where it came from. He was the pilot in the pilot. So...yeah.

Stay LOST.
Sarah

[dirkthejerk]

I like the Angela Landsbury - Tom Selleck connection. If the Flintstones and Jetsons can be in the same show, any connection is possible.

How about the 2 most popular ABC shows being linked? I am making the case for Grey's Anatomy and Lost co-existing. Drs. Derrick and Jack Sheppard (sp?)

Not sure if you touched on the time travel issues within Donnie Darko? Nice Deus ex Machina reference there as well.

Love the podcast

[james De Mass]

Not sure if you guys know that the hanso foundation site is up again with a personal message

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

[AVDJ]

Thanks to the Fuselage post regarding the hatch mural. Please notice that in the mural, there are two portraits. One is male and one is female. On the male, it looks to me as if one of the eyes is marked out. Eye patch man?

[AVDJ]

Also, his neck seems to have one of those priest collars.

[Cihan]

I'll keep posting if people like Matt keep posting. :P

Sarah: Jack operating on Sawyer with no anaesthetic = MORE DRAMA.

Thanks for the heads up about the Hanso site james, I've been totally out of the loop with the experience (feeling somewhat glad considering people have complained its revealed too much), so the letter from Alvar and seeing his face feels anti-climactic. I guess Hanso corp isnt so evil anymore...or something? If I scroll up and down rapidly I can hear a scrambled message. I feel like Jack.

[TTD]

Cheers for another great podcast guys! Never watch the promos for the next ep, but with all the talk of the one of next ep I just looked at it on youtube and wow i'm really hyped about the next epsiode now.. Can't wait!

[Nathan]

Hey, have not listened to the podcast yet just noted you had some lostlinks about the mural again and dont no if you mentioned this. The mural was painted by Jack Bender he talk about it on the season 2 extras dvd and I think (he doesnt confirm this) that he probably painted the images in the background when you see claire's boyfriend in season 1. Thus the similarity between the works. I think this dispels the idea that the mural was painted by claire's ex boyfriend. Just to clear that line of enquiry up. Peace.

[Nathaniel]

Jack Bender did say he painted it with knowledge of things to come. He is their main director for the show, so one would think that he is "in the know" but you can't be sure.

[Wisdo]

No-one has taken it upon themselves to circumnavigate the "island" yet. Despite its small size (in comparison with australia) noone has tried to walk right around the Island. If they had, they would have seen the "other" Island.

Logically if they have missed one Island there could be many more Islands at 180 degrees to the direction the others pointed Sawyer in. Also Since we do not have a topography of the whole island, it may be an istmus, rather than an island, although thematically this is unlikely. An Island is far more appealing from a writing point of view.

BTW

Mister Moores comic that is slightly pornographic is called "lost Girls". What else?

[crapjohnson]

Considering all this talk about the mural and how much I know you Lostcasts guys love it, I just came across this link and I knew right away you guys had to see it. OWN YOUR OWN COPY OF THE MURAL!!

https://www.shop.thehatchpainting.com/

[Matt Lafferty]

Given that my anti-spoiler eyes have seen a few things I wish they hadn't, I thought I'd share an idea which is still spoiler-free: just because the hatch is destroyed on the show doesn't mean, of course, that the set is gone, so there could be flashbacks to the hatch. This fits in the point that Raz Minder made that just because Kelvin said Radzynski shot himself doesn't make it true.

Lastly, despite what sneaky spoiler folk claim, I'm going to throw my hat into the ring and say I bet no one will die! (If there are photos online of a cast member's severed head or something, my bad.) Shannon was killed in episode 6 of last season. We're waiting for a zinger in episode 6 (or 5) of this season ('cause goodness knows the "we're on a teensy island by the big island" zinger last week wasn't quite on par with Mike shooting Ana and Libby!). What ever kind of jaw-dropping stuff they've got for us, I bet it won't be a major death.

Or I could be made wrong first thing Wednesday night.

[Eliza B]

Hello guys! Long time listener-first time poster.

My new theory is Desmond has always had precognitave abilities and the electromagnetic blast has made these abilities stronger.
The creators and designers revealed on the Season 2 DVD extras that the mural was painted by Desmond. So what if he was painting visions he was having? When we see Desmond's flashback in the prison and he is gettting back his belongings we are introduced to his treasured book "Our Mutual Friend." He hasn't read it because it is the last thing he want's to read before he dies. The guard makes a comment that it's a fine idea if you know WHEN you're going to die and Desmond (very pointedly) doesn't answer. So perhaps he has an idea of when he will die. Desmond's comments to Jack about Sarah at the stadium also seem to suggest some foresight and when he realizes he's meeting Jack again in the jungle he is very demanding about asking Sarah's fate. As if he want's to know if he was right or not.
What still puzzzles me about Desmond however is that when he bolted from the hatch at the beginning of season 2 that while he did not take his photo of Penny or his book, he managed to grab some Dharma Wine for the road. He was very protective of the book during the storm that wrecked his boat. Taking the time to wrap it in plastic and all.
I have no idea where this precog business is going, nor am I sure if Desmond has any control over it. But I think if the Others figure it out, he's in for a very unpleasant time of his own.
Can't wait for Wednesday-Stay Lost!

[Lost1]

http://www.surveymonkey.com/Users/13652181/Surveys/434762796775/C20C98D3-C7BA-4A4E-9C5F-4EC4F4F45D7B.asp?U=434762796775&DO_NOT_COPY_THIS_LINK

Once again, a poll of some things on Lost. Just a note to the Podcast makers, if you get over 70, that is good, any number of people below that is not a good poll.

[Elizabeth]

I thought of this last night listening to your podcast. But Desmond possibly painting the mural made me think of Plato's Cave Allegory. Perhaps Desmond is the one trapped in a time loop and thats why he "knows the future." Maybe some time in the future he'll try to sail away again, be transported back in time, and come back to the island and be brought into the hatch by Kelvin again. After Kelvin died, mabye he painted the mural in desperation trying to remember all the things of the past (or future) as the people in the cave in Plato's theory try to remember perfect happiness and stuff. This is a really really rough theory but its my first and I thought I'd share it. :)

[Nathaniel]

MATT JONES. Please go into the relationship between string theory and the ideology of dharma. I know this is the key to the show, it has to do with different dimensions and how that is all perceived. How time is an invention of man and how that can explain everything that has went on in the show. I know it's a little above your head, it's a little above all our heads but I want it to be out there because it is the key to the show. It's no accident that it's the dharma initiative and the book the third policemen has appeared on the show.

[Joop]

Matt & Raz

I hope the mysterious guy in the promo is Radzinski because he would make a really cool character to get some back story from. Did Kelvin say he blew his head off? I cant remember but if Rad. found or killed someone w/ the same build and slipped his dharma suit on him ....

I don't know. I know the popular opinion is that it is Marvin Candle but i'm looking at the screen cap & it just doesn't look like him (in other words it doesn't look like a chink)I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry....asian.

Kelvin seemed like the kind of guy to threaten him about ever trying to cut out. Faking his death would be a smart way to have "another sucker to save the world".

[Anna]

In regards to the spoiler saying that a "series regular whose name is not Sawyer" will die... Sawyer's name isn't even Sawyer so it could even be him...

[Bune]

About the Message Board topic - I would love it if there were a message board here. I find it really hard to read the comments because it's just a giant long string of text. I like the structure of a messageboard with topics more.

[alex]

i'm in the middle of listening to the podcast and a thought just struck me.

we know desmond has some ability whether it's time-travel, seeing into the future, or maybe just vague premonitions. however, what if his "psychic ability" didn't just start now, but like the possible alternate perspective of the space/time continuum it also affected desmond's past life. i just remember the conversation he had with jack on the stadium steps about sarah and desmond's insistence that jack did fix her like he already knew that's what happened before jack did. desmond's future self influencing a past event like that? i don't know. but it did seem odd that desmond would make remarks like that to someone so distraught if he didn't have any special abilities.

also during the S2 finale in the desmond flashback when he's on the boat about to crash onto the island he decidedly take his dicken's book and DOES NOT read it, like hey buddy, how come your so sure your not about to die in the sea storm?

[HELPIMLOST!]

SKIP FROM THE "SPOILER" LINE TO "END SPOILER" IF YOU DON"T WANT TO BE SPOILED!!!

~SPOILER!~SPOILER!~SPOILER!~SPOILER!~SPOILER!~

Anna: "In regards to the spoiler saying that a "series regular whose name is not Sawyer" will die... Sawyer's name isn't even Sawyer so it could even be him..."

I can't believe I didn't think of this!! I will almost guarentee that "Sawyer" (James Ford) dies! :{ !!!

~END SPOILER~END SPOILER~END SPOILER~END SPOILER~

[Matt Lafferty]

Elizabeth,
Great name for a boat! lol... anyway, I love your theory about Desmond being in a time loop. There's a Star Trek:TNG episode that went long a similar vein, so I guess you're in good territory!

Joop,
Kelvin definitely claimed that Radzynski blew his head off--he pointed to a smudge on the ceiling and said/suggested it was Razinski brains.

HelpImLost!,
Thank you, thank you, thank you for going out of your way to clearly label spoiler territory, both when it started and when it stopped! 1000 fish biscuits for you!

[Sarah]

@ Cihan, maybe the Others have anesthetic. I mean their hospital-type place wasn't anything like ours today, but it was pretty modern for a myserious deserted island.

@ Eliza B., that theory makes a whole lot of sense! I never noticed before that Desmond didn't take the pic of Penny or the book when he was leaving and--wow, that's a great theory! I'd have never been able to come up with THAT on my own! great job!

@ Anna, where'd you get that spoiler?

@ everyone, ok when I'm writing messages to certain people do I do:

@Insert Name Here, blah blah blah

or just

Insert Name Here, blah blah blah

because I started posting here when everyone was doing @s but not barely any people are doing it anymore and so ... yeah. Also do yall think we should make like a specific spoiler sign for the comments section if we dont get a message board? like...

SPOILER!

spoiler spoiler spoiler

END SPOILER!

That seems to work a lot better than just writing in ()s that the next sentence or two is going to be spoilerish, which is what I did, so yeah. Just wondering.

[Sarah]

http://www.tv.com/lost/i-do/episode/900632/summary.html?tag=ep_list;title;5

This is the episode summary from www.tv.com for 3x06 I Do, and it kind of proves Sawyer won't die...for now.

[Joop]

Sarah,
Thats a releif. Sawyer is my favorite character so....
Thanks shortcake.

[Kane]

Sawyer is my favorite character also.

Maby they'll kill Jack again. Like they wanted to do at the beginning of season one. Hmm.. But they promised to tell us how he got the tattoos so he can't die before that.

About the golf balls:
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n62/qua_tor/bscap002.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n62/qua_tor/bscap000-1.jpg

About how losties haven't seen "the prison Island":
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n62/qua_tor/drawings.png

[Anna]

@ Sarah, that spoiler was from Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide.

[Cihan]

Thanks for that pic of the crash, Kane. Kind of making more sense to me now, especially with that bridge of land from Othersville to the main island more clear, it doesnt look like two seperate islands anymore. In the episode itself we only got a few seconds of that shot which is what caused most of the confusion I guess.

I wonder how many days it takes from Penny getting that phonecall to actually doing something that affects the island? One day has passed since she got the call, right?

[Shma]

A thing came to my mind. Why did the pilot not see neither the second island or othersville.

If your gonna start a forum that would meen u would need to admin it aswell. my tip to you would be adding [ spoiler ] tags to this forum and devide the messeges to 20-30 per page.

This would make the comment section more forumish and not so long to load on cellphones, and people could post spoilers without getting nagged on.

a php comment system with such feature is not that hard to create, for someone who knows his/her shit.

Stay lost.

(one eyed willy must be hanso, odd signs at the bottom of the hansofoundation homepage.)

[Shma]

---arg edit---

my tip to you would be adding [ spoiler ] tags to this comment system and devide the messeges to 20-30 per page.

Wrote wrong on other post

[SMKGrl]

Couple of things...

I live in an area with coconut palms...I think the "golf balls" Paolo is using are baby coconuts. I first thought they were limes, but why would he be allowed to waste food? The baby coconuts are useless...they fall off the trees before developing into being edible.

Also, here's my theory on why Jack, Saywer and Kate were taken by the others. Jack is needed to perform spinal surgery on whoever has the tumor...Sawyer is needed because he has the same blood type as whoever has the tumor and it will be needed for the surgery, and Kate is there as a pawn to make sure Jack and Sawyer do the surgery and donate the blood.

[Jack+Sayid=DurtyIslandLuv]

Hey all.

I don't know much about this "Deadwood" y'all keep ravin' 'bout, but it looks like they just hired another one of them to be on the show:

http://www.robinweigert.com/cal.html

They are taking quite a few huh?

[Drynn_03]

I don't understand why people post Spoilers anyway. This is a comment board on the show and on the podcast. I you want to post conjector on nextweeks episode from the preview then thats fine. Posting what some person on the Net says is gonna happen is just silly.

As I said before I like the free flowing comments and tend to read more than I would if it was a message board. I would not click in to read all the comments under a title like "Jacks Dad is the Smoke Monster" but would read through it on the way it is set up now.

If you absolutly must stroke you ego by posting rumors first then I would suggest (if it stays a comment board) to use the standard format of....

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[Sarah]

@ SMK Girl, ahh that's a very good theory. It would make sense to use Kate as a pawn, and to put her in all those really pretty clothes that made Sawyer throw a bucket over his head lol.

[Sarah]

throw a bucket of water**

Sorry, forgot to add the "of water" part.

[Drynn_03]

The Official Lost Podcast is out. It is a good one. I like when they confirm when people were on the wrong track. Enjoy.

http://ll.media.abc.com/podcast/primetime/lost/Lostpodcast_305_itunes.mp3

[Spencer]

Ok, I was checking the fuselage and a guy named "lost_for_all_time" had an interesting idea. He said that the tumor may be Locke's, because it was on the spine, and locke had a problem wrong with his spine which caused his paralysis. I thought into this, I got some more ideas:
1)(WARNING: MIGHT BE SPOILERISH) producers said we would find out how Locke got in his wheelchair(who said that it was in flashback?)

2)Benry did say he was trying to get Locke, we assumed he might have been trying to mess with locke's head.

3)Maybe the others are more good than we think and they honestly want us to help them.

4)Also, short explanation for Locke's healed legs (if it is a tumor) and Rose's tumor. I read the Philadelphia Inquirer a while back, and they had the entire front page of the health section devoted to a breakthrough in cancer curing. I forget the specifics, but it said something along the lines that elecromagnetic energy was used to radiate a cancer away, which we know the island is full of.

[poisonpeacock]

I wanted to correct the hindu/buddhist reference Matt made in the podcast. He called it shiva's net. It is actually Indra's net (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra's_Net).
Thanks for the podcast.
Btw-I like phpBB for forums. it's open-source, free, and easy to install.

[Matt Jones]

Thanks PP,

Really sheds some light on the theme of interconnectedness that runs through the show. I really think this could be at the core of the mystery of LOST.

[I_Love_Sayid...&_Lostcasts]

@ SMK Girl

Hi, What a great theory. It makes sense and is totally consistant with prior events:

1)Jack: They're slowly getting Jack calm enough and obedient enough to perform a sergery at their demand. Jack, who usurally and admittingly chooses who to save and who not to save, will be required to save someone he would rather see die. It would be a sort of redemption from trying to playing god all the time.
2)Kate: Sayid said he would use the tactic of using one to make the other talk. The Others use this often with J,K,S to get them to cooperate and they're setting it up nicely. Poor Kate is alway getting used lately.
3)Sawyer: Jack had to give his own blood to try and save Boone. We don't know Sawyer to have, even figuratively, given his own blood to save another and this would be a sort of redemption for him.

[Cihan]

Latest official podcast might be the funniest yet, good stuff.

Glad to finally hear the ludicrous 'did Jae commit suicide or not' debate over too.

[Zooma]

Im pretty sure that the person that gets killed off is Locke. I think that Locke will die somehow relating to Ecko, and the Ecko will then Take Locke's place, just like he took Locke's place in the multiple other times on the island, and rescue Jack, Kate, and Sawyer

[Joop]

Zooma,

We've been told that we are going to find out how Lock lost the use of his legs, most likely in a Lock flash back.

This episode is Eko centric. In the 23 psalm his brother sacrificed his life, willingly or unwillingly, so Eko could live. W/ a title like "The Cost of Living" ....I hope it isn't but I put my money on Eko.

[Sarah]

@ Zooma, I understand what you're saying but I doubt Locke is going to die, especially with his vision thing in Further Instructions and Boone telling him he can't help certain people YET. One might infer that meant he could help them later on. Ausiello (sp?) said we wouldn't believe who dies, and with Eko seriously injured, his flashbacks, and an episode titled "The Cost of Living" him dying is very predictable. My money's on well, Charlie, but I really don't want him to die. His character IS fully developed (his defining moment was throwing the drugs into the ocean) and his backstory is, like, done but I really don't want him to die. Especially with this new Charlie/Claire/Desmond love triangle forming. But wait, the producers said that the Charlie and Claire relationship would turn into a love triangle...they couldn't have meant a love triangle for just one episode? I don't know... It's all very confusing.

Stay LOST.
Sarah

[Sarah]

You know what would be cool? If this site had a little thing where you could see, like, that 150 people are viewing or 2 people or viewing or something. Sorry, that was random--I just thought of it.

[JonathanU]

I don't really want anyone to die in this next episode, but with that in mind, a few things to think about.

1) Libby still had a huge amount of back story before she died, so don't get too stuck on the idea that a character with a big backstory couldn't die.

2) We still haven't found out where Jack's tattoo is from, and I doubt we will in this episode, which we were promised.

3) Claire, Charlie, and probably Desmond will be in a love triangle. No on them.

4) Kate hasn't made her decision and I'm assuming she won't till next episode, although a possible shooting/dying in the next episode like Libby (didn't Boone die in the next episode too)

5) Sawyer is a no

6) There's no way they kill Sun with a baby, too cruel even for a show that is on the edge like Lost.

7) I would love it to be one of the Brazilian couple, but that'd be sort of lame, doubt it will be them.

8) Locke has stuff to do, although maybe this episode he redeems himself by finding Jack, Kate and Sawyer and helping the other Losties the way, dying in the process???

9) Sayid is a possibility, although despite my disclaimer, he does have a ton of back story.

10) Jin is another huge possibility, but I'd like to see how he reacts to Sun's pregnancy, and I think there is a lot that they can explore with him, before his life with Sun (possibly his father-son flashback when the baby is born)

11) There is no way they kill Hurley, he's too important for the show, and he wouldn't exactly go out of his way to fight crime like last time. He barely went with Michael, and that was when his girlfriend died. Hurley is comedy relief in a show desperate for something to break the drama every once in a while.

12) Eko is the most obvious choice, and although I love the guy the most, every sign points to him. That said, Lost previews never really show the truth, (see S2 finale), so I say him getting stabbed in the preview is a dream.

Leaving me with no conclusion except it really is up in the air with a high chance of it being Eko, Sayid, Locke or Kate.

[Nathaniel]

It's Jin. Sun said "then my husband would be dead and I wouldn't care anymore" that's foreshadowing. No writer would throw that out there and not have it show up later.

[Drynn_03]

Save the cheerleader, save the world..

err wait, wrong forum.

I am thinking Sawyer is about to get the boot. His backstory is about played out. As is Jacks and Kates. I am thinking Sawyer, 'cause Pickett is really not a happy camper atm. And he is the only real threat from the others for the moment. Could be Sayid runs into a smoke monster, polar bear or a tree frog and one of them gets whacked. Or it could be Rose and Benard, wait they are already dead, or they are out on a shopping spree, wherever they are at it hasn't been the beach. Maybe Desmond sees into the future and sees he read his book, so decides to jump off a cliff cause he knows how it ends. Or wait, Claire having read over her contract sees she has to do 15 more shows with Charlie so she builds her own Lightening Rod and hangs on.

Whoever it is, if anybody, it will happen when it happens, till then, my bet is Hurly eats Charlie during a sleep walking session.

Drynn_03

[Sarah]

@ Nathaniel, when did Sun say that?

@ Drynn_03, lol I'm watching the end of Heroes just as I read that reference. Also, there's no "if it happens" the producers confirmed in the official LOST podcast that somebody was going to die. And I think lying to everybody would get them QUITE a lot of hate mail lol.

Sarah

[Lorne Pearl]

Hi,
I'm only at the Of mice and Men part of the podcast, but something you said about Desmond got me thinking.
I'm not sure if you consider the Lost Experience as part of canon yet, but the Dharma Initiative wanted to change the equation of when the cataclysmic event would occur.

Well, you mentioned that Desmond can now see the future and prevent things (i.e. Claire/Aaron and lightening strike).

1+1? Maybe Desmond's power will get stronger until such time as he can change the equation?

[Drynn_03]

About the Locke flashback to when he was paralyzed. One thing that has kind of nagged at me since the first episode. It could be we learn about Locke through a Jack flashback. During the first episode when Jack looks up from a patient and sees his dad on the cell phone the nurse asks him about his prognosis and saying something like "are you sure he's ready to self administer his pain meds?" Indicating that in his current state of mind he might not be making the correct choices. This kind of hit home with the comments that Carlton and Damon were making on Jack's patients.

So here is my theory, we get another Jack flashback and you see he freaks out during a stand in emergency proceedure on a patient we find out to be Locke and because of this he leaves the Country (to Thailand) to get his life back together.

Drynn_03

[Drynn_03]

I have learned to take most of what CC and DL say in thier podcast with a grain of salt. Yeah probably someone is gonna get it. But the way they joked around till they got to the point could mean anything. Hopfully it will be the new Thurston Howell meets Tom Cruise Charactor, he annoys me and hasn't even had 20 seconds of screen time. As far as Hate mail, I imagine it will be much less than if it is Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurly, Locke or Sayid that ends up getting knocked of the show.

Drynn_03

[Drynn_03]

Sun made that comment when Sayid was telling her where another gun was hiiden on the boat incase the others got past him and Jin. At which point she noted that if they made it past both of them the they would both probably be dead and she wouldn't care if she got killed.

Drynn_03

[Mark B]

Well I'm back from vacation and thought I'd send in a late late post with lots of things people have probably already said (sorry Tommy). I realy liked this episode and thought it was the best of the four so far. Next weeks looks good too but I've been burnt by the previews before.

1. Sawyer can't have been conned in the prison unless you believe that the Costansa's wife and Cassidy are in it together which seems a stretch. Unless the government agent is in on the con then how could they get the money out of the account anyway as it's in Clemetine Phillips name -- unless they get fake ID I suppose -- duh !

BTW Why is Costansa a funny name ? Some reference I don't get ? Bet it's a US thing.

2. Desmonds time travel gig : I tend to shy away from time-travel stuff because this is such a sink-hole. Desmond has now changed the future by saving Claire so the future he saw has changed so all the rest of the future he saw is defunct. Or has Desmond got some kind of long time déjà vu deal going on ? Déjà vu tends (for me at least) to be triggered at the time the thing I think happens happens, maybe seconds but not hours before. Or has Desmond seen more than one version of the future and is out to make the best future possible by putting right what he sees as bad things. Kind of like that bloke in Quantum Leap .... now there was a series that had a really bad ending.

3. Why does Danny want to kill Sawyer ? It's not like it's Sawyer shot Colleen. Surely he (Danny) would want to be going after Sun. Perhaps Sawyer is just a convienent Losty to beat on.

4. I thought when Kate said she loved Sawyer Danny would have kept hitting him rather than stop. Surely he's pissed cause the Losties killed someone he loved ? Wouldn't he keep hitting Sawyer if Kate loved him ?

5. Did anyone really think that the pacemaker could be installed so easily and leave such a small scar and Sawyer could be up and walking in such a short time ? It was an obvious con.

6. The official podcast confirms the HUGE spoiler is going to happen this week. Though they did not give any character an out. Mind you given earlier posts it's hardly a secret now. I agree with JonathonU's assessment.

7. Didn't Jack give up really quickly on the CPR deal ? Surely he'd give it a bit longer ….. especially as he's the "I'll never give up" type. But then he's a changed man … has be changed enough -- if you get my drift ?

8. In the Claire flashback episode, the one with the medical hatch and all the doctors about to operate on Claire, where are they ? Why aren't they around to operate on Colleen ? Or were they just hatchett men who were going to hack and slay rather than perform a c-section. Hacking away to get a baby out would be pretty tricky to do if you've just read about it in a book/seen a video.

9. I'm with Matt Jones. The SUB is a submarine.

10. I'm not that enthusiastic about the two island deal, ok I didn't see it coming but it's not like the hatch discovery moment. So they need to escape the cages and then the island to get back to THE island. Perhaps there is a tunnel between the two islands ? I don't think the fact that he's stuck on a different island will deter Sawyer.

11. The message boards is a good idea but they can get out of hand with hundreds of threads. But then coming back for a weeks vacation the comments section took ages to read through. Perhaps the comments could be numbered so that it's easier to find the last one you read ? To be honest there are not many threads in each comment section with a max of what 200 -250 posts in total per podcast and about the same for the Get Readys. Most people seem to feed off others ideas and the comments morph one into another with only a few branches.

11b. I'd like the ability to 'spoiler font' the spoilers. The old highlight to read deal works well.

12. The eye-patch guy has got to be Candle or Radinski …… first time I saw it I was so sure it was an alien and I strapping on the water skis. But of course it could be that we are veiwing some old tapes of the Swan station or another station ? The Flame ?

13. Who has the tumour ? Someone told me that on a trailer they saw during Desperate Housewives …...

SPOILER WARNING

Jack is seen asking Ben why he should operate on him.

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Sorry to have rattled on.

Mark B

[Mike]

Hi everybody,

Well on a totally random note I was watching the 1971 version of Get Carter just now and if I am not mistaken there is a great shot of the Battersea power station in the movie.

You all remember that do you not?

http://static.flickr.com/100/284267697_2a28d66ed8_b.jpg

And now back to more current Lost stuff.

[ilgrandesilenzio]

I think locke is going to bite the dust. Even though there seems to be evidence that he is in future episodes. So I guess this is more of a outlandish crackpot theory.

Just something about the title, "Cost of Living" makes me think Locke. He's said before that bad things happen to people around him. So i feel like if he had a chance to do something really good to save a lot of people he would do it even if it meant sacrificing himself.

I think Locke is going to make a sacrifice that is going to unite the losties and the others against some common hither-to-unknown enemy.

Plus I feel like Desmond is the new mystic of the show. so we don't need Locke so much. And killing Locke would create a bit of a power vacuum for the losties -- which spells drama!!!! (thus you introduce strong willed brazillian golfers, and laid back scottish precogs) LOL

[Drynn_03]

@Mak B.. Welcome Back. About the Sawyer prison con. I felt he was being conned by the girl (forget her name) remember she was the mark that wanted to learn how to be a con man. I think that she was pissed that she got conned and after putting James Ford in Prison she was there to mess with his head.

As far as her being in on making him Con the dude in prison, no. He had strted his con before the visitor day. I do believe he aproached the Warden and set up the con to get out of spending 6 years in jail and that the Warden was in on it when they were talking in the sewing area. But I think the girl scene was not a part of that con.

Drynn_03

[Mike M.]

@ Mak B.

I think the reason Danny wants to kill Sawyer is because for one, he broke his nose, and mocked him about it. But also becasue he might have heard through their survailence, Sawyer saying that Coleen getting shot was a point for our team and smiling and all. Thats what I thought.

[Sarah]

Wow, I'm way too obsessed with this podcast. It's 11:01 pm when I should be either in bed/doing the last of my homework but no, I'm here, at the computer. One day I'm going to be a total computer geek, if I'm not already one.

Anyways,

@ Mark B., I don't think Cassidy was conning Sawyer with the Clementine stuff. If you look at a screencap of the baby and a screencap of Sawyer and look at their eyes, the shades of blue are the exact same. In fact as soon as I saw that baby and saw the eyes I was like, "That's Sawyer's kid!"

@ Drynn_03, thanks for the clarification with Sun and the official Lost podcast. Yeah, the producers are quite sarcastic, but serious at the same time--which is what makes that podcast so enjoyable to listen to.

Well, I'm way tired, so stay LOST.
Sarah