After a long hiatus, we're back with a new podcast! In this episode, we briefly revisit the final episode of the mini-season, "I Do", as well as take a look at the promos the second half of the season, with plenty of spoiler data about what we can expect come February. Of course, there's plenty of talk about how such a long break in the show has affected the fans.
Links from the Podcast:
Video of final scene from "I Do"
Variety article about LOST time change
Top 50 LOST Loose Ends from IGN
2007 LOST "Moment" number 1
2007 LOST "Moment" number 2
2007 LOST "Moment" number 3
2007 LOST "Moment" number 4
2007 LOST "Moment" number 5
LOST links:
Christian Piatt official website (download free chapter)
Buy LOST: A Search for Meaning at Amazon
Matthew Fox Saturday Night Live Sketch
We'll be back again after Christmas, in January, to talk about all the "loose ends" that haven't been tied up by the writers. Send us what you think will happen in the second half of the season, as well as what the most important outstanding mysteries are, in your mind.
Happy Holidays... and Stay LOST.
Just what I need after three hours wandering around the mall ....
Posted by: Mark B | December 16, 2006 at 02:49 PM
YAY!!! finlly!!! just downloaded it and can't wait to hear it...(",)
Posted by: Helena | December 16, 2006 at 03:14 PM
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Posted by: Matt Jones Wannabe | December 16, 2006 at 04:29 PM
Great podcast guys, you crack me up. Matthew McConaughey, 'golden globes' (OO), Real World bashing, haha good stuff.
Personally I didnt mind the 'mini cliffhanger', the thriller genre is one of my favourites and this was a thriller cliff hanger, so its cool. When we watch season 3 on DVD it'll flow fine I'm sure.
I got to admit, a Heroes podcast from you guys is a nice thought...but its also slightly charming to know you're too busy with life to do one.
Happy Christmas and New Year guys.
Posted by: Cihan | December 16, 2006 at 06:08 PM
Thanks for this, it's an early Christmas present! - Xmas and Jan couldn't go quicker!
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 16, 2006 at 07:45 PM
Thanks guys.
Drynn_03
Posted by: Drynn_03 | December 16, 2006 at 09:59 PM
Many thanks, and a Happy Festivus to one and all.
Posted by: Cameron | December 17, 2006 at 04:03 AM
In the loose ends discussion you guys brought up the numbers - something that was answered through the Lost Experience. The numbers each represented a factor of the that when put into an equation, would give you the date of the end of the world and the Dharma Initiative was set up to study and experiment each factor and try and alter one of the numbers and thus, change the equation and when the world ends.
While the numbers are some of the more compelling aspects of the show, I don't think it is something that can be completely and totally answered to satisfaction. You guys said it yourselves, there is something supernatural going on there with the numbers. That would be hard to clearly explain and define. I think it was answered as best as possible - the numbers have a supernatural significance since they relate to the end of humanity - and so tend to pop in weird places. That is what I take from some of the references (the survivors' seat numbers, Hurley's lottery) while a majority of them are little inside joke things from the production team (the numbers on the soccer girls, on clothing, addresses, etc.) that we should not take too seriously.
Posted by: Sobaika | December 17, 2006 at 04:25 AM
Great podcast guys,can't wait for Lost to come back!
Posted by: xandra | December 17, 2006 at 05:23 AM
I took a look at Mr Piatt's first chapter, and while it's well written, it does read more like a sermon than an analysis. I won't speculate that there is a Christian lean to the book throughout...but the last line of the intro does point toward this possible idea; "May God bless your journey." God is mentioned 18 times in the intro and Jesus mentioned 15.
The first chapter is however, extremely interesting and thoughtful; and of course there is nothing wrong with a religious lean with writing....you write with the language that you have at heart and interperate as such.
He later does mention Zen Buddhism, Judaism, and Krishna faith, although the focus stays on the bible and scriptures.
I can't make a whole opinion without reading the thing...but I'd like to hear folks' thoughts that have read it.
Great Holiday 'cast guys; love your show!
Stay Lost
Posted by: Lucidlife | December 17, 2006 at 06:07 AM
Good Podcast yet again guys, you do ease the burden of the 13 week break. But up until now I had no idea we were getting 16 episodes in a row, or about those little 'Lost Moments' you posted on the site. Must just be another example of the isolation that fans in the UK face
Posted by: Jon W | December 17, 2006 at 06:19 AM
Also: I dont think Jack is going to get killed off, if we're under the impression that at some point Fox will stop filming episodes then my guess is that he actually does leave the island thanks to (or despite) Ben, and maybe the other Losties find out and it would give them new motivation to escape themselves. Now that is what I'd call a 'game-changer'. Although I still doubt heavily that Michael escaped, so......either way I dont think they'd kill off Jack in season 3...
Posted by: Cihan | December 17, 2006 at 08:16 AM
Thanks for the new podcast.
One thing - you guys were talking as to whether Jack knows Cindy.Isn't Cindy the one who give Jack the miniture bottles of booze on the plane ?.Granted, it was a short meeting but I reckon Jack should remember her.
Posted by: Tahir | December 17, 2006 at 08:51 AM
@Sobaika,
I wouldn't be so sure about The Lost Experience's definition of what the numbers are. Remember, TLE's universe actually features the fictional TV show 'Lost'. The Hanso Foundation are pissed with the makers for using their foundation, but there's nothing to suggest that the numbers mean the same in the TLE and in the show itself, which we have seen are two entirely different continuities. Lost is fiction in The Lost Experience's universe, so there's nothing to say that the show will use any of the ideas we saw.
If you catch my badly explained drift.
Posted by: WeakLemonDrink | December 17, 2006 at 10:26 AM
@Cihan,
Yeah, I agree. I think Jack will most certainly leave this season, but they'll never kill him. They'll let him leave the island, but lave plenty of scope for a return in season 4 or 5.
I hope that's the case, anyway, as Jack bored the shit out of me.
Posted by: WeakLemonDrink | December 17, 2006 at 10:27 AM
A few loose ends from Season 1 that continue to bother me.
1.) When Ethan first turns up on the show, Locke tells some of the other Lostaways about him, saying basically "Ethan here has experience hunting." Something to that effect. What I'd like to know is what kind of converstaion went on between Ethan and Locke while they were out hunting? Could Ethan have given Locke directions to the hatch? Ethan may have been in league with a faction of the Others that WANTED our Lostaways to find the hatch, for whatever reason, and he saw to that on his own time. Maybe to get Desmond out of there or something because he was screwing around with the computer.
2.) In "Numbers", when Sayid and Jack revisit the leftovers of Danielle's hideout after the explosion, Sayid finds the picture of Nadia he left behind. Does it look to you like maybe, just maybe he doesn't recognize her? One would think that if he did recognize her, he would have had a more emotional reaction. Points to the whole amnesia/sickness theory.
3.) Actually this is from Season 2, and more than likely NOT a loose end, but just a mistake on the part of the writers. In "The Other 48 Days", Ana-Lucia nails Goodwin as the Other, based on the fact that he walked out of the jungle 10 minutes after the crash and his clothes weren't wet. Well, then I guess it's a good thing Bernard landed in the TREE, huh? Otherwise, she could have accused Bernard of being an Other and had just as much validity. Goodwin could have been on the plane when it crashed, landed in a tree, climbed down, and walked out of the woods with his clothes dry for all she knows.
I'm still going through your Season 2 podcasts; the speculations are AWESOME, and it's helping me to understand a lot of the gibberish I didn't really get, particularly since I didn't start watching LOST "live" until "48 Days". I rented the first season, and I didn't get to see the beginning of Season 2 until the DVD's came out!
Okay, well I'm working on a theory about the future of Season 3, but I'll have to either send that via e-mail (my phone's cut off, otherwise I'd do it that way) or wait til another time.
Take care and stay LOST.
Posted by: Jealous Guy | December 17, 2006 at 02:24 PM
@weaklemondrink,
yeah jack is a bit too shouty, let the focus go to the rest of the Islanders as they need to progress their story. Too much time has been spent on Jack. Let's get back to Desmond!
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 17, 2006 at 02:29 PM
Anyone else heard about Daybreak getting canned?
Posted by: Carl in the uk | December 17, 2006 at 02:34 PM
I'm truly sorry for the double post. Just one more thing. Why does the name "Danielle Rousseau" sound so much like it comes from The Karate Kid? Is this intentional?
It turns out also, that the killer in the movie "Frequency" (an absolute MUST SEE) is named "Jack Sheppard".
Posted by: Jealous Guy | December 17, 2006 at 02:36 PM
The sceptic in me thinks that the change in the show might be an elaborate evil plan to recruit the Jater/ Skater crowd from the American Idol fan base.
The lack of mythology was unsettling & the mystery was sucked out of the others by pulling back the curtain, but my hope is that this was a natural story progression & the show will be back on track next year.
One thing is certain, the long break seems to be fueling the fan resentment & to leave off on a note like 'I Do'?....not good.
Side stepping Idol....annoying
10 pm time slot....inconvenient
possible decapitation....priceless
BTW, great impersonations, especially George Takei, I didn't know you guys were so talented.
Have a great ~Christmas (&/or Festivus)
Posted by: Joop | December 17, 2006 at 05:31 PM
Jealous Guy, sorry man, I dont consider any of your points a 'loose end'. Most times, the viewer just has to fill in the blanks themselves, this isnt bad writing but just common sense. For example, what Locke and Ethan talked about is of no concern to us, Ethan probably didnt talk much at all, we know what his task was now. There's no indication Sayid didnt recognise the photo of Nadia, and Bernard landing in a tree was a freak stroke of luck and Ana's logic may be flawed but that doesnt mean its a loose end.
Lets hope people can understand the difference between loose ends and nitpicking and dont ruin the show for themselves, because really, its a decent show and its written well 90% of the time. (personally I think getting some new blood in on writing duties wouldnt hurt)
Did you guys watch that miniseries called The Lost Room? I was really looking forward to it, it had some great actors involved, most notably Peter Krause, but man when I watched it, I could barely watch the first 30 minutes of the first episode. I just gave up, it was dire in every single way. I skipped forward to the last five minutes just to check if it got better, but nope, it was pretty consistent in being completely crap. Be thankful for Lost...
Posted by: Cihan | December 17, 2006 at 06:37 PM
@carl_uk {daybreak}
I hope not, being a UK man myself, it's a fresh idea that's really hooked me in and it's these kinds of shows that I love in edition to Lost.
I can see how it might have a short life - but you play with the idea that somebody else could have a re-occuring day and would really make it interesting.
I'm loving the show and if ABC can it, then they are idiots!!!!!!
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 17, 2006 at 07:18 PM
@ cihan
Pretty harsh on "The Lost Room". 10 minutes of viewing and you understood the 6 hour show? I thought it was a good story, even with the "made for TV" budget.
Drynn_03
Posted by: Drynn_03 | December 17, 2006 at 07:29 PM
@carlintheUK {daybreak}
F IT!!!
They did cancel Day Break - OMG! - all I can say is that I HAVE to see the last 7 episodes, and to the powers that be in the USA - PLEASE make this available to download...
It's a crying shame - just because of the viewing figures, you can view the story here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061216/ap_en_tv/tv_abc_pulls_shows_2
ABC couldn't see a good show if it hit them in the face! Sorry for venting my anger on this comments section, but I bet there are some fans on the board who will feel the same way.
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 17, 2006 at 07:34 PM
Something just came up......
If the island can heal people, then why does Ben have the ability to go to the island (assuming they are on a different island) and still have a tumor? Thats a health problem that is not cured by the island...
Posted by: Jeffinthe9 | December 18, 2006 at 01:27 AM
Nice podcast guys!
I really like the loose ends stuff but one tiny thing; little bit more speculation.. Sorry its just me i really like speculation and there wasnt realy enough for me BUT STILL great podcast! thanks for everything y'all do!
Posted by: Matt H | December 18, 2006 at 02:24 AM
I don't think the "connections" between the various people via their flashbacks is a part of the mythology (ie. a deliberately designed part of the plot)... Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof talked about some weird connection they turned out to have via George Lucas...
More importantly, I doubt there can be a "logical" explanation for the intersections... mainly because most of the links aren't really significant... Locke doing a house-inspection for Nadia or Sawyer being served coffee by Kate's mom... don't see the importance since none of those characters were affected by the encounters...
The best explanation for me would be "No explanation"... the funda is that only as viewers do we realise such connections exist... if they were possible to detect, I wouldn't be surprised if such connections existed for all of us (well, at least the ones in the same country)...
in fact, if you want proof, check out one of those social networking sites like Orkut that show mutual friends that you share with others... you'd probably find those through seemingly unconnected people... and these are actually the people important enough to be made "friends"... if we hypothesise about simply crossing paths... the connections will be a lot more...
In conclusion... I don't think the connections are a loose end.
Posted by: Vaibhav | December 18, 2006 at 02:41 AM
@ Vaibhav
I agree with your line of thinking. the "connections" are probably nothing more than the writers' way of nodding to the concept of 6 degrees of separation. maybe they are making it 3-4 degrees but i think the point is to prove (within the LOST universe anyway) that the world is smaller than we think. and that we are all, in some way or another, connected to each other.
Posted by: Mike in the Box | December 18, 2006 at 05:08 AM
@mike & @vaibhav
You should view the extras DVD on Lost Series 2 (complete), they have done a special connections, although it does get confusing.
I think the connections in Lost are something for the viewers to look out for and to add interesting flashbacks, nothing else.
Posted by: Justin - AKA John Locke Jnr | December 18, 2006 at 09:20 AM
Looks like Lost might not be that far off with their DHARMA shark. Boston University researchers were able to control real sharks in a large tank through electrical stimulation of the brain by mimicking odor:
http://www.bu.edu/alumni/buforward/archives/Dec_2006/articles/spies.html
Posted by: Nash | December 18, 2006 at 10:41 AM
Hey Xandra & others (not "Others"):
Thanks for your kind words about the sample chapter on my site from my new book, "Lost: A Search for Meaning." Hopefully the book will help add something of value to the conversation.
Regarding your question about the nature of the book, yes, it is theologically-oriented. I'm a columnist and author, primarily in the areas of faith and popular culture. While I make attempts to include a broader religious perspective than just my own, certainly my own experience informs the way I form my ideas.
In short, the book explores symbols and themes throughout the show that connect in some way to a larger theological theme, including Others, Light and Dark, Faith vs. Reason, Fate/Destiny, and so on. I include discussions as Xandra mentioned about everything from Greek mythology, classic literature, psychology, history and religions/philosophoes from ancient persian faith such as Manichaeism to Buddhism, Neoplatonism and others. However, the ultimate framework of the book is a Christian theological one.
I make an effort not to promote any particular agenda, however, but rather to stimulate thought and discussion. I've had a number of people read the book who are agnostic or of other faiths and they have not found the theology component to be pushy. I hope you have a similar experience.
Thanks again for your interest, and thanks to John and the other guys for helping spread the word.
Christian
Posted by: Christian Piatt | December 18, 2006 at 11:02 AM
thanks guys. fun cast. loved the impressions and the jokes were pretty damn funny. looking forward to the second session of season 3. let's keep our fingers crossed for some geographical fun and games.
Stay Lost.
Posted by: I_Love_Sayid...&_Lostcasts | December 18, 2006 at 02:51 PM
check out that little coloured box on the bottom of the left hand column of this page, it's a site meter - this site gets some serious traffic & views, just thought I would point that out.
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 18, 2006 at 03:29 PM
Late LOST link.
Words won't so this justice.
http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1166473676/The_Lost_Rhapsody
Posted by: Matt Jones | December 18, 2006 at 04:59 PM
Hey, I could be the five-hundredth person to mention this and just not know it, but when I watched "I Do" again earlier today, I noticed that Locke gave a kind of knowing smile when he saw the words "Look North" on Eko's stick. Is there a possiblity that Locke could have just had some strange moment like the ones Desmond keeps having when he remembers stuff from the future? Also, could he have maybe already seen the second island in the North?
Posted by: Conor | December 18, 2006 at 05:21 PM
Ha ha, loved the late lost link. I didn't know Weird Al did a Bohemian Rhapsody Polka.
Thats like the old Steve Martin bit, how you could sing anything w/ banjo music (death, war, hate) & it would be up-beat & happy.
Arnst really brought that one home.
Posted by: Joop | December 18, 2006 at 08:52 PM
Wooohoo!! We are so glad you guys are back!
I don't know if it has been mentioned but in the previews at the end of episode 6, if you slow them down, you can clearly see Alex running with Kate & Sawyer.
I think she should be able to get them off the island and maybe show us the 'other others' & possibly some of the missing kids.
Posted by: Joni | December 18, 2006 at 10:16 PM
I don't see how the connections between characters can be anything BUT part of the show's mythology. Taken in isolation -- i.e., each one considered in a vacuum -- then maybe you could just chalk it up to coincidence. But there are far, FAR too many connections for me to consider them just coincidental while keeping a straight face. In addition, there are events such as the psychic who urged Claire to get on that specific flight -- and who later had a run-in with Eko.
Also, I don't think it may be completely accurate to say The Others didn't know the plane would crash. I think maybe they didn't know exactly WHAT would happen or WHEN, but they might well have known something like that would happen. Ben also thought there might be survivors, when in ordinary circumstances you'd expect little chance of that. It seemed to me that Ben, at least, had some expectation that something such as the plane crash could happen, and that he had some idea of what to do when and if it did.
As to viewer dissatisfaction with the show, I think there a couple of factors at work which haven't been mentioned, as far as I know. One is that in the first season or so, Lost was the "hot show." I suspect the numbers were inflated somewhat because some people watched it BECAUSE it was the hip thing to do. Some of those people weren't willing to invest in the show mentally and emotionally -- or they just didn't get it -- and moved on after the novelty wore off. Second, you have to remember that when it comes to online forums, mailing lists and other forms of Internet expression, the opinions voiced are almost always going to skew toward complaints. Those who are dissatisfied are apparently more motivated to pipe up than those who aren't. This has been bourne out in my experience on every such forum I've made a habit of visiting over the last several years, regardless of which show it concerned. I mean, we are still talking about a top ten show. And as long as it stays in the top 20 or so, I think it is reasonably safe to say people are still watching, and MOST people only watch what they like (although there will always be those who must watch so they will be able to complain bitterly about what they saw ;) ).
SSB
Posted by: Experiment 626 | December 19, 2006 at 10:01 AM
Jon W is a weenie.
Posted by: john | December 19, 2006 at 11:07 AM
so did anyone see this tasty nugget that lost may return in the beginning of january?!?!
http://duggmirror.com/television/LOST_Hiatus_To_be_Cut_Short/
Posted by: jason | December 19, 2006 at 12:46 PM
Re: Early Return of LOST
Great News -- if true -- but I assume this would mean either a second hiatus of four or five weeks or a return to the repeat/new episode format of last season. Hopefully it's true and TPTB will go with the short second hiatus option.
Posted by: Mark B | December 19, 2006 at 12:51 PM
@ Matt Jones
Thanks! That was hillarious!!
Posted by: I_Love_Sayid...&_Lostcasts | December 19, 2006 at 03:14 PM
@Jason @Mark B
Okay, if that was the motive/sacrifice of cutting daybreak short, then of course I would love to see Lost sooner, but you can't have 2 bites of the apple! In ABC's case it's a sour apple at the moment!
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 19, 2006 at 07:14 PM
@ Experiment 626
"It seemed to me that Ben, at least, had some expectation that something such as the plane crash could happen, and that he had some idea of what to do when and if it did."
I disagree on this... if this was the first episode of the series (which it was chronologically), would you have thought "Why! these people were waiting for the plane!"... obviously not!
Based on this, I think ben and the others were all concerened about "something else" before the flight crashed... they were focused on solving a problem and whatever the problem was they needed PEOPLE to get back on track... hence the stress on the word "Survivors" in Ben's line "Ethan, get up there to the Fuselage, THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SURVIVORS"....
i would've thought that their reactions were that of people who had been presented an unexpected OPPORTUNITY.
Posted by: Vaibhav | December 19, 2006 at 09:25 PM
Here it is the biggest cliffhanger of all from lost to date.....
Did Jack win the golf game with that final putt from back when golf was flavour of the month for the lostaways....
Posted by: Dan Finney | December 19, 2006 at 09:38 PM
Re: character bomb
I don't know what exactly, but it's got to involve Locke. There's just too many strange vibes coming from that dude.
Re: theories
I got nothing there either, but I can pretty much gauran-damn-ty that there's a third island.
Thanks guys, you really came through on the lame jokes.
The scene was 'in tents'? You hit an all time high/low.
Have a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year (w/ LOST hopefully right around the corner)
For more polka fun:http://www.weirdal.com/polka/angrywhiteboy.htm
Posted by: frankmorris | December 19, 2006 at 10:26 PM
Just a daft thing i jus came across, you might have already seen it but hey they could be on to something
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1870941127759906724&q=lost+abc
Posted by: Dan Finney | December 19, 2006 at 11:16 PM
@Justin,
Sorry I don't get what you are trying to say --two bites at the apple ? As I read the article Daybreak is getting cut because it's getting low ratings. ABC are worried LOST is losing impetus and veiwers during the long hiatus so are rumoured to be bringing it back early to fill the gap. This may boost LOST ratings as it's a "surprise return". It's probably not true anyway.
Mark B.
Posted by: Mark B | December 20, 2006 at 07:58 AM
I don't know if anyone's seen this previously, but the American Express "Lost and Found" thing is now free to everyone.
Posted by: JoshSpazJosh | December 20, 2006 at 09:33 AM
Im sure all of the UK viewers will agree, the US must have a much firmer grasp of the Lost mythology than the UK culture. I recently watched a Sky One show Get....Lost. Apart from over using the annoying Get Lost slogan the show was woeful at best. Their interpretations of The Black smoke, The others etc were laughable compared to the pocast you guys do. The final nail in the coffin came when they announced Alvar Hanso as the founder of the Hanso Corparation...I instanly turned off my TV and began to question how bad the UK public are to date with Lost. Any comments?
Posted by: Jon W | December 20, 2006 at 12:46 PM
@Jon W
Sky are trying to sell LOST to non-LOST fans. It's probably just the 'dumbing down' by Sky to meet the lowest common denominator, in this case the casual/new watcher. Remeber Sky paid many pounds on this show and the ratings are not exactly high -- way lower than C4 got.
By inference anyone who listens to a LOST podcast is an big fan of the show and so anything broadcast for the casual watcher or non-watcher will seem "woeful" and "laughable". I'm sure if ABC did a similar program it would be much the same.
Mark B
Posted by: Mark B | December 20, 2006 at 02:02 PM
@Mark B
You've hit the nail on the head their, But to me it is very irritating that Sky dumb Lost down, they do it with most of their programs as this is not the first. I suppose its a good job I have Lostcasts.
Another thing to note is, before the airing of The Cost of Living, they put an advert out the day before showing Eko's fight inside Yemi's church and also Eko being attacked by 'The Monster'. Which are obviously two major parts of the episodes. Another major flaw in Sky's showing of Lost. Anyway, moan over. I like the pharse 'to meet the lowest common denominator', That sums it up perfectly
Posted by: Jon W | December 20, 2006 at 03:58 PM
Matt Jones:
You whine too fucking much and you're also starting to revert back to your retarded jokes that have really long pauses of silence after them...because even Robert and John think you're a big Re-Re. Mix in shutting the fuck up unless you have a LOST point. You speak too much.
Jon W: have you ever had sex with a girl before? Perhaps you're a trek-ie...
Mark B: I hope the next 14 year old Tai prostitute you fuck gives you syphillus.
Merry Christmas everyone.
-John
Posted by: John | December 20, 2006 at 04:08 PM
Sorry that this post is more than a bit long …...
I just read the free intro and first chapter of "Lost : A Search for Meaning" and my impression is that the author has taken LOST and is using it as a back story for his writing on religion and is not actually writing a book about LOST per se. He could have used any TV show, movie or book that is popular and has some symbology to religion. The cynic in me says that he is trying to make a buck out of LOST's popularity. He could have written the same work based on say Lord of the Rings or Star Wars, LOST is just the current 'popular' option. Where he writes about LOST he does so well, he obviously watches the show or has at least been on the boards to find out about LOST.
After pages 1 - 3 the intro spins off into a narrative about an English slave trader (named John Newton) who was in modern terms a 'born again Christian' who wrote many hymns including 'Amazing Grace' but neither his story nor the words of Amazing Grace are really about LOST unless you're stretching.
Whilst chapter one starts out very nicely and talks about the numbers and their significance in LOST and to many religions it ends up discussing the crusades and the cross as a symbol I don't see any links to LOST in that subject matter and neither, apparently, does the author. LOST is not mentioned anywhere in the 'crusade/cross section' of the chapter until the final paragraph.
If the book continues in this vain, which I'm sure it does, I fail to see how it can be called a book about LOST, it's more like a religious book for people who watch LOST, a bible to LOST link if you like, but perhaps that's what the author wanted.
I hoped it was going to be a book on LOST mythology with some multi-faith theology thrown in along with some Greek/Roman/Norse mythology, a chunk of science, some references to books and tv shows LOST has "borrowed" from etc not a book on theology with a LOST theme.
Mark B.
Posted by: Mark B | December 20, 2006 at 04:19 PM
The Statue With Four Toes Theory
I once discovered that in King Kong, the T-Rex that Kong fights has 3 fingers, when in fact T-Rex's have 2 fingers. When researching this, I found a theory that said, because the dinosaurs on King Kong's island had evolved separately from the dinosaurs throughout the rest of the world this is why they had an extra finger.
Could this be the scenario with the person who the statue is of? Also do you think this is the reason why Sawyer and Kate were breaking rocks.
Normal T-Rex
http://rocr.xepher.net/weblog/images/trex.jpg
King Kong T-Rex
http://members.fortunecity.com/bucwheat/kong/kong_rfg.jpg
Keep up the good work!
Matt E
Posted by: Eagles | December 20, 2006 at 06:25 PM
@Mark B
It's a figure of speech, the viewers can never have it too good, ABC 's 2 sour apple is that Lost is loosing interest and DayBreak is canned, I'm really pissed that it's been cut
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 20, 2006 at 07:29 PM
@Justin
I know it's a figure of speech I just didn't get the use of it. I've only ever heard of it used as getting a second chance a something. Not sure it works like that the way you used it. What are ABC or the viewers getting a second chance at ?
Mark B
Posted by: Mark B | December 20, 2006 at 08:39 PM
@ Mark B
Cristian Piatt may be trying to make a buck off us LOST fans, but the first chapter looks pretty good.
Sure, he's drawing the target around the arrow, but isn't that what we all do when we try to interpret the show?
'The Lord of the Rings' is a better story to draw Christian Parallels from because Tolkein, & more pointedly C.S. Lewis (two of your noble countrymen) used Christian concepts of good & evil as their starting point.
The 'force' in Star Wars was more inspired by Eastern Mythology.
Which reminds me of a joke:
A buddhist monk walks up to a hot dog vendor & says, 'Make me one w/ everything.'
*uncomfortable silence*
Posted by: Joop | December 20, 2006 at 09:52 PM
@ Experiment 626
Really @ all the people that keep using the “it’s a Top 10 show” diatribe to say that there is nothing to worry about……
Granted this is a leading show, but this show is also an expensive show, it has a large cast and is being shot on location in Hawaii. So, losses in ratings reflects losses in advertising revenue. Losses in revenue reflect lower production budgets. Lower production budgets mean a lowering standard of show. A lowering standard of show means loss of viewers. Loss of viewers, mean lower ratings. It is cyclical and it is currently heading the wrong way.
In a nutshell, the problem with this season so far has been the narrowing focus on just a few characters per episode. Is this because production costs are keeping them from running the full cast per episode as it did in the first season?? Claiming that the story only calls for X number of characters is why, does not mean that the episodes are not purposefully being written that way to keep costs down. Does that mean if ratings slip more we start getting single character episodes being filmed in Canada in the future?? The producers are getting away from what made the show great and it is entering into just being a “good” show, how much longer till it’s a “so-so” show is yet to be seen.
@ Justin
I agree, I knew it was coming but it didn’t sink in till tonight. I am pissed that Daybreak is not on anymore, I am pissed that they did not put tonight’s episode on their website so it could be watched, which incidentally, they misled me to think by putting a header, advertising just that, on the crappy show they put on to replace it!!!!
Drynn_03
Posted by: Drynn_03 | December 21, 2006 at 01:13 AM
to: Drynn
It was obvious to me that the focus on fewer characters has to do with telling the story correctly, and nothing else. It's common to need to narrow the scope of an epic story once in awhile to concentrate on the relationships between certain characters.
Maybe I'm missing something (nah), but I feel like LOST is in it's prime...the sets are amazing, Benry is top-flight; the possibilities for the show are endless.
But you are right...if for any reason in the future the budget gets cut drastically I'm sure we'll be able to see it.
Posted by: Lucidlife | December 21, 2006 at 06:50 AM
*Needless post*
@Joop
.....*after uncomfortable silence* Nice joke Joop ;-)
Posted by: Jon W | December 21, 2006 at 08:55 AM
I also forgot to mention that Kate has really nice titties. I mean, I'm gay and all, but I still noticed how nice they looked.
Posted by: Jon W | December 21, 2006 at 02:40 PM
Please forgive me, Im not the stupid bastard that did that. My comments are made with more than one brain cell
Posted by: Jon W | December 21, 2006 at 03:03 PM
"Based on this, I think ben and the others were all concerened about "something else" before the flight crashed... they were focused on solving a problem and whatever the problem was they needed PEOPLE to get back on track... hence the stress on the word "Survivors" in Ben's line "Ethan, get up there to the Fuselage, THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SURVIVORS"....
Vaibhav, I actually stand by what I said while also thinking you may be mostly correct. At the very least, I think Ben and his followers are less than completely surprised by plane coming down, if only because they are in a place where odd things happen. Ben started barking out orders VERY quickly -- most people would have taken a minute or so to get to that point, unless they were trained emergency workers.
SSB
Posted by: Experiment 626 | December 21, 2006 at 03:43 PM
Brian K. Vaughan, the writer of comic books such as Runaways, Y:The Last Man and Ex Machina just announced that he will be joining the Lost writing staff:
http://bkv.tv/pages/blog/2006/12/lost-putting-tv-back-in-bkvtv.html
He says the upcoming episodes that he's already read are "are destined to become the best episodes". I think it's good that they're getting some new blood. Can't wait...
Posted by: Nash | December 21, 2006 at 04:50 PM
The #1 thing I want for Season 3 is the whole Jack situation to be positive. He can't die, he can't leave, he can't turn evil. Jack is one the best and main actors on the show and it wouldn't be the same without him. Matthew Fox got snubbed again for the best actor award b/c he really deserves and I think after this whole season is over he should get a nomination and the win. Oh yeah, I'm not sure who said but the whole thing about the people on the forums beings dicks is completely true. Sometimes I can't even go on b/c all they do is complain when I just want to hear some positive feedback. That's why you guys are so great, you actually like the show and don't bash it.
Posted by: Steve | December 21, 2006 at 05:27 PM
I've seen this from //andfound.com/ might be useful, I think IGN have got it sewn up - but it's always going to be a wooly guess. ***SPOILER ALERT*** to anyone disciplined enough to not see the Lost moments - you must control the urge! (I obviously haven't)
http://tv.ign.com/articles/751/751854p1.html
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 21, 2006 at 05:36 PM
*******
Some good spoilers posted today:http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php
*******
Posted by: frankmorris | December 21, 2006 at 09:10 PM
Well you might as well hand me the gun and I'll shoot myself, Spoilerfix is a deadly website, only visit if you have less than 48 days to live, otherwise WAIT PATIENTLY, it will be worth it.
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 22, 2006 at 02:45 AM
@Experiment626:
You make a good point about them needing people and it has had me wondering a lot. If they have some contact with the outside world, why not go and recruit some more people to come to the island and work on whatever the problem is? I remember Ben said to Michael as he was leaving with Walt that he could never find his way back. That must be true for anybody who is on the island?
Now considering that possibility, Ben promised Jack that he (Ben) would take Jack home. Looks like that can only be a one way trip. So Ben and the Others and their leader (if there is a higher leader like Jacob or whomever) leaving could be a natural finale for the entire series. So what does Ben need to get done, other than his tumor surgery - which must only be a minor point?
Moreover, if Ben has one shot at doing whatever it is on the island that needs to get done, this would explain why he would not leave the island to go to a proper hospital and get his tumor fixed.
@Justin (AKA Locke Junior):
You are so right about Spoilerfix. But it's like sweet Afghani white. Once you're hooked, there's no staying away (not that I can say that from personal experience).
Posted by: Cameron | December 22, 2006 at 05:40 PM
Come on guys...take a peek...all the cool kids are doing it.
Posted by: frankmorris | December 22, 2006 at 06:06 PM
Its very hard to stay away from spoilers but have resisted so far.I've often wondered why I was dissapointed at certain episodes of LOST and figured out I knew, more or less, what was coming up.
Any of you guys watched Jericho.I only mention it here as its quite similar to Lost - an isolated community, hostiles, food drops.
Posted by: Tahir | December 23, 2006 at 06:02 AM
Merry Christmas everyone, Have a good one!
X X X X X X X X
Posted by: Cark In The Uk | December 23, 2006 at 01:10 PM
Yes, to all at LOSTCasts, and the listeners ('the good ones'), I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Namaste New Year - let the good times roll!
@Tahir, I'll give that show a try and I might try Millennium as I'm a fan of Mr Locke / Terry O'Quinn.
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 23, 2006 at 02:07 PM
Yeah, Have a good one guys. Also have a drink on me, And to all of the decent listeners on the comments Happy Christmas, and to the other, Rot in hell ;-)
Posted by: Jon W | December 23, 2006 at 04:32 PM
@ Justin
Millineum started out as a really good show, Lance Henrickson is great. But it ended without any resolution (show was dropped). So view with a grain of salt.
Drynn_03
Posted by: Drynn_03 | December 23, 2006 at 06:58 PM
This may be old news but I see there is another LOST moment out ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fz7IUYAWJw
Posted by: Mark B | December 23, 2006 at 07:10 PM
@mark B
nice one, well that one REALLY SPOILS IT ALL, but to be honest I saw flashes of this in the ABC trailer / Jack and Jay podcast video trailer and I knew the inevitable would happen. It's all kicking off now!
@drynn_03
I'm looking into getting a Millennium DVD season 1 as it's only around £10. I just can't get used to Locke (Terry) having a moustache!
also, as it's a habit of ABC getting shot of shows, I should be used to these non conclusive shows by now.
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 23, 2006 at 08:02 PM
Sorry folks, but I might be sad saying this, but I'm watching The Santa Clause 2 and Julliet is on there from Lost, maybe she's going to try and trick Tim Allen - just a theory!
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 24, 2006 at 11:05 AM
AWESOME news that Brian K. Vaughan is joining the writers of Lost! Y: Last Man is a great comic, cant wait to see Brian's touch on the island.
Happy Christmas everyone.
Posted by: Cihan | December 25, 2006 at 07:55 AM
Happy Xmas guys from all your listeners in Ireland. Have a good one and dont drink too much!! :)
Posted by: Frank Magnet | December 25, 2006 at 08:16 AM
@Clhan
Well I hope this will secure the quality of writing, because, lets face it Lost needs more of the Sci-Fi - less of Sh**e, with it more becoming a soap opera. (example: Sawyer & Kate).
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 25, 2006 at 11:44 AM
y'all winge far too much. merry christmas...
Posted by: Daniel Finney | December 25, 2006 at 12:59 PM
Hey guys, great podcast once again...the real deal of Lost! Anyway I think it's a shame that you have mentioned Heroes twice now but have neglected to give Jericho a mention...it really reminds me of Season 1 Lost.
Posted by: Cameron | December 25, 2006 at 02:27 PM
Justin (AKA Locke Junior), I kind of agree with you. I would rather prefer ethical conundrums and thought-provoking thrills (the debate over pushing the button, trekking across the island while being hunted, etc), than emotional drama (the love triangle revolving around Kate) which has at times resembled an episode of a soap opera.
Brian K Vaughan also has another great comic called Ex Machina, which is similar to Y Last Man, in that there is a sci-fi tinged premise populated by characters with great humour which is sprinkled with pop-culture. I think he's a great addition to the writing staff. If anything, his brainstorming will create more unique ideas in the meeting room.
Posted by: Cihan | December 25, 2006 at 09:19 PM
There is a show called LOST UNCOVERED - this is on SKY THREE, 31st Dec at 18:30 GMT and features Iain Lee from the Lost Initiative podcast.
Although it looks like this show is mainly for the UK viewers, it might be something US viewers can watch too, as Mr Lee can be funny (at times).
US viewers check your schedules for the correct times. I will post the video as soon as, on torrent, so that everybody can get it.
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 26, 2006 at 04:05 PM
Thats good news. I never heard of Brian K. Vaughan, but did some research. He seems very 'Alan Moorish'.
If he just joined LOST I wonder if he will be a part of this season...(?)
Posted by: frankmorris | December 27, 2006 at 01:13 AM
Here is that Lost Uncovered:
http://www.youare.tv/watch.php?id=2174
Posted by: Lucidlife | December 27, 2006 at 01:55 AM
@Lucidlife
cheers, guess I don't need to record now.
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 27, 2006 at 11:02 AM
Just to say...
Brian K Vaughan is amazing. His comics are by far my favourites. I recommend further research.
Posted by: Daffs | December 27, 2006 at 04:44 PM
Watched sky 3's Lost shows and sorry....Its a bunch of 3rd
rate celebs talking about Lost.A lot of whom I really do wonder if they've ever watched the entire series.
Iain Lee is a bit of a joke presenter but if he floats your boat then ok.
Posted by: Tahir | December 27, 2006 at 07:51 PM
@Justin (Locke Jr.)
Who knows how long that will stay on there...I'd give it a rip anyway!
It does seem like some very rote overviewing of the series, but I have to say, Lee is pretty fun.
Posted by: Lucidlife | December 27, 2006 at 10:15 PM
Sorry for the double post, but here is a link to the pdf of the first Ex Machina comic by Brian K Vaughan. I'm sure you all could have found this on your own, but if you haven't read it...definitely check it out!!!
http://www.dccomics.com/media/excerpts/2500_x.pdf
Posted by: Lucidlife | December 27, 2006 at 10:22 PM
@ Lucidlife
Thanks
Posted by: frankmorris | December 28, 2006 at 04:27 PM
Lost Moment 7 is out ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUqagLgBrLM
Posted by: Mark B | December 29, 2006 at 09:32 AM
"You know the only reason you are alive...." to Jack. Bluff or not?
Posted by: Lucidlife | December 29, 2006 at 11:58 AM
I love Zeke's expression after what jack said. I dunno could be a criss-cross double cross. Whatever they know - they don't know Jack!
Posted by: Justin (AKA Locke Junior) | December 29, 2006 at 12:54 PM
After "I Do" it's still hard to say for sure, what kate wants. i don't know about you guys, i'm getting a little bored of the triangle. Maybe everyone else is too. that would explain why this friday a little after 12:00 noon, Right after the GWB in New Jersey i could see a small plane skywriting, "WHO WILL SHE CHOOSE?" is this the work of abc executives, or an overzealous rich fan?"
Posted by: Eddie | December 29, 2006 at 01:37 PM
i'm really interested in what they are going to show us about cindy. did they convert her to otherdom, or was she a plant from the start? she did work for oceanic (and we know the other have/had connections with the outside world) maybe there is a deeper reason for the crash than just "desmond didn't push the button." either way it would be interesting to learn how they converted her to their side or what her job was as an other initially at the tailies camp. but knowing Lost they'll probably will leave that as another mystery or if they do show how she was converted it'll just be "join us or die!" which doesn't give the viewers anymore insight.
Posted by: alex | December 29, 2006 at 03:59 PM
yey i made it 100 comments!!
Posted by: Jonny Boy McFish Bizkit | December 31, 2006 at 06:07 AM