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lt

Thanks as always guys

Justin (AKA Locke Junior)

Great got it at last, if possible could we have it 1hr earlier?, it's nearly 1 in the morning in the UK

Lance

Yeah, it's 1am here, but i'm still gonna listen to it lol.

bonnix

Listening to your podcast right now. Just wanted to make a correction about the Heroes reference. Desmond's friend is not the Dr. in the Heroes, but the doctors friend.

theandrew

Its monday morning 06.42am I dont mind getting up this early to get the new podcast so i have it to listen to at work.

RR

Does the timeline match up for Claire's ex-boyfriend's painting appearing in Widmore's office? We saw his apartment some months before the plane crash on the island... and we saw Widmore's office some years before the crash...? He couldn't of bought it from him then... Or maybe I'm just a fool when it comes to time... and space.. ;)

Kobe Bryant

Can anyone explain to me this apparent contradiction that "the oracle/crazy old lady" makes in this episode:

First, she freaks out on Desmond and tells him that "he's not supposed to buy the ring" and how if he buys it "they will all die."

Next, she tries to tell him that it doesn't matter what he does because fate is unchangable (i.e. She didn't warn the guy with the red shoes because he was eventually going to die regardless of anything anyone else does).

......So, why would it matter if Desmond bought the ring or not.....or if she went out of her way to explain that to him and try to pursuade him not to buy it, since it was destiny that he would not marry Penny anyway?

Sure, it makes for a good scene where she can explain the matrix-esk theory to him, but there is a clear gap in the logic that the writers used for that explanation.

Anyone have thoughts on that?

Phil

Im hoping that the old woman was infact the island/black smoke and is trying to manipulate Desmond somehow. If that is the case the fact that she goes out of her way to try and convince him that there it is all destiny could mean that free will still does exist.

Vaibhav

@Kobe Bryant

I think Mrs. Hawking meant that Desmond was complicating the process unneccessarily.

Though that hardly covers the hole in the logic because for one, does "course correction" imply that things change at all?

and for two, surely it matters if someone gets another day to live.

Creative Licence if you ask me/

Jon W

@ Kobe Bryant

Maybe she was first trying to test Desmond on how strong-willed he was by ordering him to do something, once she found out that he was not moving, she then told him his fate was unchangable. As Vaibhav 'complicating the process unneccessarily'.

When I was watching the episode I was wondering the same thing. And I really hope that Mrs Hawking is a part of the island trying to influence Desmond

Great podcasts again guys, first one under 50mins since the first casts ;-)

Jon

Jon W

@ Kobe Bryant

Maybe she was first trying to test Desmond on how strong-willed he was by ordering him to do something, once she found out that he was not moving, she then told him his fate was unchangable. As Vaibhav 'complicating the process unneccessarily'.

When I was watching the episode I was wondering the same thing. And I really hope that Mrs Hawking is a part of the island trying to influence Desmond

Great podcasts again guys, first one under 50mins since the first casts ;-)

Jon

Lance

Great podcast once again. Lol at abc getting desperate for viewers.

Joop

Nice Lovecraft drop. It should be noted that all his protagonists, that tried to change their reality, went stark raving mad. Desmond seems to be headed there.
Does Locke still have faith in the island? He believed the island led him to save Ekos life yet he claims the island killed Eko. Will he continue to be duped, or does the black smoke really have 'beautiful' qualities.

Jon W

I think Locke's faith in the Island will fade away just like his faith in the hatch did, Then the island will most probably do something to him or possibly Charlie(kill him) or hopefully Paulo(kill him) to open his eyes again. Or maybe 'Lift up your eyes and look north' will come back into it

Jon

Mark B


Sorry I've been away so all of this may have been said already ..... and sorry this is another one of my long rambling posts ....

There are obviously two options for Desmonds 'flashback'

1. Time Travel
The traditional time-travel paradox does my head in and opens up so many loop holes that the entire show could rapidly spiral out of control because of the usual problems -- I really hope LOST does not go down this road and TPTB comes out and says it was not time travel. But what if they take a different stance and say that time travel is possible but no matter what you do certain major events that you are destined to be part of will happen to you no matter what you do. Could Des have in fact somehow gone back in time to the same reality and re-lived his life only to find that he could not change anything significant and he was destined to be on the island pushing the button no matter what. Hence his not marrying Penny again, he knew even if he'd married Penny he would have ended up doing the yacht race anyway to prove to her father he was worthy. This is the essence of what the lady was telling him on the bench, some things are free-will others are destiny. You can fight your destiny with free will but destiny will get you in the end. I think of it like a number of lines running along towards a point but not touching, occasionally they all meet then diverge again. These meeting places are the major events that 'destiny' controls, the routes the lines take to those places are free will.

2. Dream/Island Talking
Why would the island talk to him to imply that time travel was happening ? Could it just be a way for the island to show Des his life would be no different as no matter what he did this is where he'd be now anyway and those bad descisions he made were not his to make anyway ? Those odd "easter eggs" like the painting in Widmores office, the numbers, the pinging of the microwave could be a shout out to the Usual Suspects. In this case the island is using things from the hatch to build the dream around.

Given either Lindeloff or Cuses comment in an earlier official podcast that time travel would never happen on LOST I suspect it's the island talking to Des.

Neither time travel nor the dream explains his future seeing on the island -- unless we believe that Des actually lived/dreamt/saw/was shown his entire life in the time he was unconscious after the implosion and we only saw part of it and Des can't remember the entire 'plot' but is getting to see flashes of the future. But then we get back into the whole time paradox thing. Des saved Charlie from the lightning and so reality changed so how could Des know about the drowning. Then Des later saw him drowning, now he's saved Charlie again and reality changed once more. I assume Des will keep seeing Charlie dying until he eventually does die. The only explanation I can think of is Des must be jumping from reality to reality without realising it as it's instantaneous, once he changes one reality it ceases to exist and a new one takes it's place and he sees the future from his current reality and still sees Charlie dying in some other way -- but like those lines leading to the same destination by jumping from one reality to another will not stop the event happening.

Does that make sense at all ?

Sobaika

Random, but what happened to having message boards?

Cihan

Am I correct in assuming the scene with Charlie in Desmond's flashback was Charlie pre-Drive Shaft? Or post? Kind of confused still.

nic

@ Mark B

surely if Des is jumping through different realities then he would be the only one aware of the alternative realities but this isn't the case as everyone else remembers when the lightning struck (i.e charlie's first death reality).

I_Love_Sayid....and_Lostcasts

Tails of the Gold Monkey!!!
I loved that show!!!

Mark B

@Cihan

Must have been pre-Driveshaft or Charlie would have said he was in the band when Desmond asked how he could hve known him.

Sobaika

@ Cihan

Des broke it off with Penny, joined the military, was dishonorably discharged, did the trip around the world thing, and pushed the button for three years. I'm guessing this ep showed Desmond from around 8-ish years ago, so it looks like it was Charlie pre-Driveshaft. Plus he made the comment about drugs (meaning he hadn't taken any yet) and didn't mention the band at all.

@ The Podcasters

You guys got what the comments section was saying wrong - Desmond's friend WAS in Heroes, he was the doctor's friend.

Neale in thhe UK

Was it me, or was that one of the shortest casts ever? This was a massive episode, and i was really looking forward to a huge podcasts, really in depth... it felt like it only scratched the surface...
Roll on the midweek podcasts and a real forum, once its sorted.

Cheers.

Hasan

A little random, but i wonder if Karl's last name will turn out to be Marx. It fits in with the whole philosophy/politcal thing, and the eyepatch man aparntly is named Mikhail Bakunin, who was a harsh critic and rival or Marx

Sobaika

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=98807963-d16d-40af-92dc-4a49c80cc613

Some may have already seen this, but Kristin @ eOnline has an interview with the producers and they say some interesting stuff! Personallhy I'm looking forward to Sayid's episode, especially after what they say aboutot. It's about time to bring back his character!

Jur

Time Travel ??? Well look at this plane (after 1.03 seconds of the trailer) in this 1996 film...............

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116253/trailers

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