LOSTCasts 46: Tricia Tanaka is Dead

Season three of LOST is rolling right along, with our feel-good episode for the season, episode 10, Tricia Tanaka is Dead. In this podcast, we talk about the Hurley-centric episode, including his flashback featuring Cheech Marin, the symbolic nature of his quest to get the van running, and more.

Download podcast #46 here

Links related to the podcast:
General reactions on The Fuselage
Screencap of map in the van
Wikipedia entry for Atlas Shrugged

LOST links:
Jorge Garcia on Curb Your Enthusiasm
Time-lapse John Locke painting
LOST theme, break-beat style

See you next week! Stay LOST.

Comments

[waitingforlost]

First twice in a row now, either I'm lucky or I'm really sad and have been sitting here all day clicking refresh .... it's the former honest !

[connor clements]

Thanks guys - been waiting all evening for it here in Northern Ireland, need a break from watching Stan Brakhage all day!

[Lance]

Thanks as ever guys.

[taylor]

Thanks guys...making my Sunday evening here!

And that break-beat mix is awesome!! Someone has to be able to rip that into an mp3!

[kristen]

thanks guys, i loved that lost link to the locke time lapse drawing!

[AVDJ]

For those tubers out there, here is a really great rendition of John Locke, made by tuber, macpulenta. The tube featured this video yesterday, which I feel is a sign that we should keep our faith in the island. Have a great week. -AVDJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K_NQe57C-k

[Desmundo]

@AVDJ

YEAH! i totally watched that earlier. How awesome is that?!?!

[Nash]

If there are any BSG fans out there, HOLY SH!? I can't believe what just happened. Is Starbuck one of the final five? Is that what her mother was preparing her for? I hate to say it, but that hour of television rivals most of this season of Lost (exception being Desmondo ep).

[Chris in Oly]

After listening to the show, I wanted to suggest that maybe there was more about the numbers than people think. It seemed in the show that there was a big focus on the mythology of the numbers, and how focused intent in combination with the numbers allows the user to do unlikely to impossible things.

People who used the numbers daily:
The numbers were used by Desmond and Kelvin, potentially to save the world. Kelvin wanted a replacement and a boat, and he got it.

People who used the numbers in random ways:
The other people who encountered the number had astounding things happen to them, what independent observers would consider good luck - winning the lottery, etc. However, the people using the numbers percieve as bad luck. They would see a bad thing happen aorund them and think they were unlucky, and by thinking they were unlucky they became more and more unlucky.

But Hurley was able to get the van running by believing in it.

So maybe the idea behind the numbers is that the focus of intent is important, and if you just use them in random ways the effects can be unpredictable. But also once you use them and focus on them you have set them loose in your life.

Just another thought on the stuff.

[bonnix]

What I've noticed about the show, especially if i take the time to rewatch the episode is that on the second viewing I almost can't watch the flashbacks. They really haven't developed the characters with any depth. I did like this episode though, for the comic relief. Sometimes that's all you want from your tv.

btw, bsg was great tonight.

[Kathy aka Fangirl]

I was watching bsg tonight and halfway through I realized that while on Lost they all have daddy issues, on bsg its all mother issues. Those shows should not ever get married. ;) Also, I am in complete denial about the ending. That did not just happen.

As for the podcast, I'll be listening to it on my walk to work in the morning.

[Joop]

Very heavy comment about THE daddy issue.
Not bad for guys w/out much 'churchin'.

[Mike in the Box]

Hey guys, I just wanted to chime in about the biblical tie-ins. I am finishing a theology degree and find a lot of the biblical references undeniable. The "phone-in comment" was spot-on about the Jacob story. She did however fail to mention that the wife of Jacob:the one with fertility issues, was named Rachel. That's right Rachel had fertility issues, was the wife of Jacob and gave birth to Benjamin. In the LOST world, Juliette's sister is named Rachel and has some sort of fertility issue. These three names, the circumstances, and the seeming connection to the biblical story is...interesting.

I realize that few people are into theology and biblical studies. I would love to help out any way i can and will try to send emails if i see any other biblical connections.

Thanks for doing such a great job and stay LOST!

[Tahir]

This ones a bit crude but it made me laugh.
No spoilers in it.
Basically the island diet taking its toll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jXzu2WQDnY

[WeakLemonDrink]

Hey, knob heads, how about we have less of the spoilery BSG talk?

[Sobaika]

Thanks for the podcast! On another note, as of Monday morning, "Tricia Tanaka Is Dead" is STILL number one on iTunes.

Ratings or not, there is no denying that people (a lot) are watching the show.

[Jamie (c)]

@ WeakLemonDrink, I agree. I've not watched this weeks BSG yet, plus do we really want to start a Lost v BSG or Heroes discussion here? (I don't)

Anyway, good podcast guys - a little short but like you said not much to really go over.

[DannyBoy]

just had a thought, i don't believe danielle is an other but something she said in season 1 doesn't add up, along time ago i know but....

when talking bout the tower of smoke she saw just before alex was taken, i'm sure she said it came from 5 miles inside the island. how did she know? maybe just a guess, but the main thing is when charlie and sayid went to the smoke it was on a beach not inside the island.

also this smoke tower has never being explained, was it simply to distract the losties or have the writers forgetten about it? any thoughts

[Kenneth]

I believe Danielle made up the story about the tower of smoke in an attempt to steal Claire's baby.

[Mark B]

Thanks blokes, nice condensed podcast that covered everything.

Looking forward to Wednesdays episode.

Any news on getting J.Wood as a guest ? His blog is damn good I'm sure he would be a good interviewee as well as having an opinion on LOST -- and y'all got a mention this week.

[Justin]

It doesn't make any sense that danielle made up the story about the smoke.

She took the baby to the smoke and expected the others to be there. If it was a ruse, why would she go there?

[Jeff]

Hey guys,

Love the podcast. Just wanted to make a comment about the map with the road diagram on it. If you look closely at the map, it looks like hatch detailed on it is the Swan. Also, Roger's coveralls have the Swan logo on them as well.

Considering the van was full of DHARMA beer, I really think the purpose of the road (and the van for that matter) was to transport supplies from the resupply drop. How else would the Swan inhabitants get all that stuff to the hatch?

Just a thought.

Cheers,

Jeff

[Andrew (from Cambridge)]

Thanks for the podcast. You mentioned Dylan/Highway 61 Revisited as well as the Bible this podcast. Opening lines of Highway 61 are:

Oh God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God say, "No." Abe say, "What ?"
God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"
Well Abe says, "Where do you want this killin' done ?"
God says. "Out on Highway 61".

Abraham was I believe Jacob's grandfather. Abraham and the averted sacrifice of his son Isaac is one of the big daddy issue stories of the Old Testament.

[my-2-cents]

John, Robert & Matt: thanks for the mention of my post about Patchy's relation to Prometheus. BTW, the new female character is Marsha Thomason (from NBC's Las Vegas) as noted in a previous post. Hey, you guys didn't say much about Danielle Rousseau despite all the interest in that topic in the posts for this site. How much of it do you guys really read? In the future, could you at least give a brief summary of major topics discussed in posts by your podcast listeners? Also, I still don't think Vincent is the Smoke Monster when you compare with Jules Verne's "Mysterious Island" - the dog is always aware of the presence of a mysterious benefactor lurking in the shadows. So much more interesting if there's a character nobody knows about yet that is influencing events with Vincent's help. Remember Shannon singing music from Finding Nemo? It was a dying Captain Nemo in the above novel that was revealed at the climax of that story. Could be a subtle easter egg with a MAJOR impact in season 4.

[ebonX]

As each week goes by, I am becoming more and more of a supporter of the "Danielle is an Other" theory ...

1) How does she knows Alex's name? -- My theory ... The whole story of Danielle Rousseau (and her baby Alex) on the island is true ... similar to the Henry Gale story. However, the Danielle we know is an Other posing as Danielle (ala Ben posing as Henry Gale in S2).

2) Stealing Aaron -- If I re-watch this S2 episode (with idea #1 in-mind), one can theorize that Danielle simply takes Aaron as a decoy ... "Plans within plans" -- Dune quote.

3) Danielle's accent -- Everyone (including TPTB) talk about how Danielle's accent is Eastern European, not French. Also, she speaks English, and people have brought up the fact of why the distress call is in French, rather than English. Lastly, if I remember correctly, Sayid is the one to mention the distress signal when he is first captured by "Danielle", not "Danielle" herself.

Great podcast, as usual!! Your use of the thesaurus ... lol!

[riverfr0zen]

@ebonX:

Intresting points. I'm still of the camp that believes Danielle is actually telling the truth. The French argument is kind of moot to me - many Americans may not be so aware, but French use has been quite widespread across Europeans (esp. Eastern Europeans), and it's not a stretch at all to imagine a distress call may be made in French rather than English. Also, since she is a scientist, it's not hard to imagine she has been educated enough to know English as well.

However, the scenario you present could be equally cool. For example, perhaps her function is to protect Othersville from intruders. This would sit well with her ability with traps, and her placement of such all over the island. Also it could explain why she doesn't reveal or mention Othersville to the Losties.

In any case, just wanted to express my admiration of Mira Furlan - she was always good in Babylon 5, and I was psyched when I first saw her in Lost S1 (the same way I was surprised to see Dominic Monaghan in the pilot). Really can't wait for her flashback.

[Jamie (c)]

Another Danielle oddness (but this is all second hand speculation).

Someone here said she referred to the distance of the smoke column in miles. It seems unlikely that anyone one from Europe would use that unit of measurement.

I propose she her real name is Dorothy and she came with Henry (the real, dead one) on the balloon that crashed.

A barren woman, she got obsessed with Ben’s (then) baby’s daughter, Alex.

The folks from Ben’sylvania tried to help her but her unstable (mental) condition caused them to ostracize her, and so she became the feral survivor Danielle.

You watch, I'm spot on here. ;-)

[riverfr0zen]

@Jeff:
"Also, Roger's coveralls have the Swan logo on them as well."

I found this intriguing and did some googling (or, perhaps, ninja-ing [http://www.ninja.com/]) for the term "roger radzinsky", and came across several theories and posts floating about. Was he a certain 'Roger Radzinsky'? Perhaps not, but check out this tip from show writer Gregg Nations concerning the upcoming episode:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=71023

via

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/03/more-of-roger-workman.html

[Jeff]

@riverfr0zen:

Awesome find! Can't wait to find out more! I'm secretly holding out hope that Patchy IS Radzinsky. If not, it'd at least be cool if Roger was Patchy's now-deceased partner.

[Ruth]

Here is a bigger more detailed version of the map from the van. I don't know what you guys make of the table and the number 45 - 290W

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7308/dharmaroadmapfullxs5.jpg

[waitingforlost]

The 45 - 290 looks more like VV than W but it's hard to say. If it's W it could mean "Watts". If it's VV then it could be "Variable Voltage". Either way it's something electrical.

[Mark B]

There's a new LOST sneak-peak out on abc.com..... no SPOILER here but

Sawyer says "Who the hell are you?" to Nikki. Clearly a shoutout to the fans.

[Mark B]

If Danielle is an Other why would they have the entire 'Danielle' set-up with the transmission, her hideaway, traps, and the story about Alex ? The transmission may have been in French as a plot device to make Shannon seem less of a bimbo. In fact thinking about it the transmission is potentially bad for the Others cause it could attract people to the island -- if anyone heard it. Why have it at all ? Just to draw the Losties attention to Danielle and thus gain her trust as they'll be sorry for her. The transmission was running for 16 years but the counter could easily be faked.

Is 'Danielle' simply an Others ploy to ensnare the Losties ? A 'friendly' face on the island that they can turn to in times of need ? Inventing the whole Alex story seems way over complex to me (but this is Lost) and she's not really been that helpful to them.

The entire Alex story is a bit of an opening for the writers really when you start to think about it even on the basic level. There are many many either -- or scenarios …… either the Others luckily chose the same name (huge coincidence) or when they took Alex they heard the name and kept it (but why ?) or Danielle is an Other and it's all a long con (but why ?) or she's not an Other but spied on the Others and made up the Alex story and told it to gain allegence with the Losties or she was an Other and Alex is her daughter and she was thrown out for breaking the Others law (perhaps she is marked like Juliet) but why make up the shipwreck/Alex stolen story. I'm sure there are other scenarios but they all end ….. But why ? or just are too complex.

Personally I don't think she is an Other now but I also don't think she is telling the entire truth. I'm not sure Alex is her daughter. I'm not sure Alex is Bens daughter. They could be her parents but only if Danielle is an Other. Hell I'm not sure about anything to do with Danielle really. All we have to go on is her word (and she does not strike me as being all that reliable) and that small scene or her and Ben together. When she told us Ben would lie a lot, at least she got that right.

Basically right now it's pointless speculating over Danielle as we don't know enough about her. It's like when Ben was Henry Gale only worse. So don't bother reading that overly long post you just read !

BTW Heroes pretty much jumped the shark last week with radioactive man blowing up the house and exposing the entire neighbourhood to vast amounts of radiation and loads of people seeing Claire regenerate and yet nobody died or ran to the papers/tv. The Haitian must have been very busy that afternoon. Not sure who has the power to heal everyone from radiation sickness/cancer though …

[riverfr0zen]

Well, looks we could have ourselves our own little ping-pong bet right here, quickdraw. Who do you think will be the player?

[waitingforlost]

Maybe Paulo gets killed in a bizarre ping-pong accident.....

[Lost Ratings Watch]

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-wondercon-jerichoheroesproducers,0,3971856.story?coll=zap-tv-headlines

[Brian]

I didn't see anyone else chime in on this above so I figured I'd give my two cents.

I had heard the audio comment connecting Jack to John Galt. My initial reaction was that there really isn't much of a link there because, for one, Jack is the socialist in the Lost economy. John Galt was anything but, his whole idea (and I guess Randian economic philosophy) was a kind of uber-capitalism. Everything has to be traded because it genuinely improves the condition of the parties.

Then I realized that SAWYER is more of the Galtian figure. He doesn't accept his own sanction as a victim: he hordes, he trades, he makes no apologies. Everything he does is for his own benefit.

Jack doesn't entirely fit that mold. He presumably helped Ben for Kate's benefit, which is not a truly selfish motive (selfish being one of the ideals in Randian philosophy). But now that Ben is recovering, he goes into self-first mode and is now focused on his escape for his own benefit.

Time will tell how this behavior pans out, but I've always seen Jack as (a jerk, but also) a guy who will sanction his own victimhood and suffer for some greater good. Sure, he will whine about it and have a few drinks or commit tattoo rape, but when faced with trouble he just seems to accept his own punishment and go on with life.

We've seen the island is all about redemption. Maybe some glorious day Jack will refuse to accept his own victimhood, do something of questionable ethics solely because he benefits from it, and then be killed by the black smoke. And then I would applaud.

[riverfr0zen]

@Brian:

Yeah, I didn't really see the Atlas Shrugged/John Galt comparison either.

I agree that Sawyer, more than Jack, seem to express, to a greater extent, Galt's values, but it's still not really the same thing. John Galt 'had no guilt', but Sawyer clearly does.

I think it may be easy to draw a parallel behind some aspects of Lost's mythology with Atlas Shrugged, considering both stories' involvement with humanistic events on the macro-scale, but I think that's about as far as things go.

For one thing, the events and ideas of Lost are set in more contemporary times, and the events and ideas of Atlas Shrugged (while many of them are still relevant -- coming from someone who believes in many of Rand's principles) -- are slowly becoming caricatures in history.

[Rok]

By the way, before the worries of LOST slipping in the ratings consumes us all, does anyone know what proportion of those ratings have switched to, say, watching the free episode the next day, or even downloading the paid-for episode from iTunes? Because my wife and I have bought a lot of both season 22 and 3 from iTunes, simply because if we can't get home in time, and don't have tivo or pvr, it's an easy way to grab the episode, and either watch it on my computer (we have a good set up in my office) or put it on the ipod and hook that up to the tv to watch.

all i'm saying is that neilsen tv ratings aren't everything these days, and when disney/abc/whomever knows they are receiving money for people to watch LOST frm iTunes, it'll stay on for a long time. that sort of immediate, TANGIBLE income for episodes, especially ones WITHOUT commercials, was unheard of two-plus years ago.

[Rok]

typo above: season 2, not 22... my keyboard unfortunately has some unnecessary bounce in the keys at times.

[Nash]

Jin's gonna kick Sawyer's ass!

[Sli]

I never took Hurley's driving adventure to be the breaking of his curse. I thought of it as his breaking Charlie's curse. After all, Charlie is the one who is named to die and yet Charlie rides shotgun during the plummet down the hill and comes out of it without a scratch. There were no numbers involved in that.

I know Hurley's curse relates to others around him and not himself. Maybe he was able to use that aspect of his own curse (Hurley didn't/wouldn't die and he likely would have if they crashed) to break the near-death cycle Charlie was in. If that's the case, the numbers would actually have altered the course of the universe so that it couldn't "course correct" back to where it was to begin with and Charlie is now safe.

Of course, maybe it did noting at all and they were just really lucky.

[riverfr0zen]

@Rok: very good observation. Now onto one of my rare rants:

First off - I don't really believe in this amusing trend of comparing these Big Shows we have on tv these days against each other. I'm talking about Lost, Heroes and BSG. I'll evocate further below, but in general, it's because they all concern different aspects and there is no real benefit, at least as a consumer of fiction, to compare them. I actually watch all these shows every week, so I feel no reservations about making bold fan statements.

Well, I just watched the latest episode of Heroes (don't worry, no spoilers here, but you are encouraged to watch it first if you don't want to be 'colored' by my views), and in light of the link further up the page, I must say the level of 'exposition' in the show became really apparent to me. This is not a compliment - rather, it made me laugh out loud in some places, as it became painfully apparent that writers were 'trying very hard' to 'answer questions'.

The other thing that became apparent to me was the difference in context between the shows. Something like Heroes can't really be compared to Lost, beyond the fact of being 'flagship network shows', because of the inherent context of the stories.

BSG is set in space, from societies in a different (though related) galaxy, and the context of its mythology is based on potentially entirely different ideas (with a few mixins, where appropriate).

Heroes is a show who's context is 'new gene mutations in individuals provide powers to them', with a dashing of American conspiracy (and lately, seemingly, an attempt towards global conspiracy).

Lost, on the other hand is about ... err ... what the hell is it about? Heh. More seriously, even from the first season, Lost provided a very contemporary, global context. You see several cultures placed before each other - and yes, I know Mohinder Suresh and Ando and Hiro are not American, but their character arcs don't really deeply explore these cultural differences in the way that Lost has attempted to - there really isn't the same depth.

Moving towards the end of the first season and into the next couple of seasons, Lost has continued to expand its context beyond anything else offered by tv. Based on that initial global context, we now have a drama that is playing around with ideas from social science, anthropology, cosmic mythology and universal science, on a level that makes sense for what has initially happened. You just can't do those things with any of those other shows.

No other show would dare introduce a Nikki and Paulo in such a place that Lost has, because their infrastructure would not compellingly allow them to do so.

I think, if the Lost writers started 'speeding up' the arc, and making things happen quicker - unless originally planned - it would be a great disservice to those people who 'get it'. In a way, it could be a total bummer, because the pressures of networked tv may indeed cause such a thing to occur, creating a no-win situation for writers where you either have to 'please the numbers', or 'please the lovers'. And you *know* where that will go.

So, to people who say "Lost takes it too slow, compared to Heroes and ... Jericho (what the hell is that?)", all I can say is - I got a BIG FAT DICK for all y'all's foreheads.

Ok. Didn't really mean that. I just wanted to end on an expletive. I'm done now. Cheers.

[Tahir]

Just some thoughts.

Since babies are, or seem to be, an important part of Lost could Kate be pregnant with Sawyers baby ?

Since timeloops could be a part of Lost...
Could Jack be the skeleton Adam, since HE now has the stones.Which leaves the question....who is Eve ?
Maybe Juliet ?

[Joni]

Wonder if Danielle has any 'marks'??

I really like the idea of Danielle being an Other castout. We know they have some separation amongst them. Why is Ben so against Alex being with Karl?

Anyways, it would be great if she was marked and now pushed to the outside of the Other world. They could have bribed her into helping them kidnap Walt or even into spying on the Others.

[waitingforlost]

I'll tell you what is wrong with LOST, the press.

LOST has become the show to knock, the show to put down, the show that it is cool not to like. The more the press knock it more of the wavering fans will stop watching so the more the ratings will fall so the more the press will knock it. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. No matter what LOST does someone in the press will find a way to knock it down. The press have decided to collectively kill LOST. To be honest I don't think the writers are helping. As the ever erudite Matt Jones pointed out -- the writers gave the fans what they wanted at the start of season 3 (the Others) and the fans went "Eh ?" and turned over to watch something less complex instead.

LOST broke the boundaries of having an essentially sci-fi show on mainstream tv at a prime time. Without LOSTs success there would be no Heroes.

In an interview I heard with Jorge Garcia he said they are currently filming episodes 17 and 18 which means they are filming 6 episodes ahead of us and have 6 more to go to the finale. There is still time for LOST to save itself but the writers need to pull their pens out and get back to the old LOST that the press and fans loved. It may already be too late, the press and lost LOST viewers may never return.

I too would like to get back to talking about the 'meta story' and quit talking about the ratings but if the ratings don't improve then we won't have any 'meta story' because it'll all be over with in one scene. I predict Jack and Juliet stealing the Others big boat chugging round to the beach and all the Losties jumping on board and steaming off on heading 325 whilst Ben, Tom, Isabel et al stand around looking enigmatic. Answers, hell who needs answers anyway.

[Lorne]

Thanks for the podcasts guys, and all the comments on the boards. It's the insights that make the episodes and the series enjoyable.
I still think that the idea of the numbers being thrown in our faces over and over w/out doing anything concrete with them was either a theme device, or just annoying.
As for the W or VV on the map, maybe it's that stupid cable Sayid found on the beach?

[Jon W]

Absorbing podcasts as usual guys ;-)

Glad to see the return of Danielle
Cant wait for patchy
STILL WANT PAULO DEAD

Stay Lost

Jon

[Justin (AKA Locke Junior)]

@ Jamie (c)

If your talking about the REAL HENRY GALE - then he is black, Alex is white - could never have been his baby. I still back the theory of Alex being stolen via 'ep: raised by another', but with Danielle as the mother. Danielle could have been shunned from Othersville because of the virus. I think Alex was made to call Ben her father from a young age, it's possible she does not know that Danielle exists. It's all about the good and the bad guys, the clean and the so called 'infected' people. This should be resolved by the end of the season, if not I'll eat my John Locke T-Shirt!

[Jamie (c)]

@ Justin, no I said she just arrived with Henry and that she was barren as "her insides were a rocky place where his seed could find no purchase"

This combined with injuries suffered from the crash messed with her perception of reality, causing her to think Alex was her kid.

It's about as lost of a theory as any. ;)

[frankmorris]

Weak attempt at a Heroes-Lost connection:
Wasn't that Malcom Mcdowell (Clockwork Orange) as Mr. Lindeman?

[Jamie (c)]

@ frankmorris - first off, some of us haven't watched Heroes for this week yet, thanks for the spoiler (albiet I guessed that) and second, seeing as how Malcom hasn't been on Lost (yet) I have to suppose that you're trying to connect the brainwashing scene here.

Rent "The Ipcress File" - you'll a similar brainwashing method used, this style didn't originate with Clockwork Orange.

[Painki11er]

Yet another great podcast, and I for one loved the episode last week. If anyone wants spoilers for next week's episode, I searched around most sites that have spoilers and condensed it into one place, at:
http://www.nextweekonlost.blogspot.com
Every sunday before the next episode I just round up as many spoilers as possibly that all have credible sources, and post them (but it's only for the next week's episode).

[waitingforlost]

Assuming both scenes are in the books (I've read Ipcress just can't remember it) it's hard to say which came first as Clockwork Orange and The Ipcress File were published in 1962. The Ipcress File was made into a movie first.

BTW: As this is a LOST site you can hardly expect people to notify you of spoliers for Heroes. I could be a total twat and type out a killer spoiler but I won't.

BTW2: Do followers of Heroes online community complain as much about the way Heroes adds new characters ? They've tossed in new 'Heroes' most weeks.

[frankmorris]

@ Jamie (c)
Do you really feel spoiled from a question, not a statement, about an actor? ....If so, I apologise.

As for the connection, I said it was weak.

[Cameron]

@Painki11er: that's an excellent resource you have made, well laid out and easy to go through - especially having the video links there too. As I am one who cannot get enough spoiler related material, I will be visiting often!

[Lorne]

@waitingforlost about Heroes
No, not yet. It's still in its honeymoon stage, and almost as a counter for Lost, they try their best to cram as much plot into 44 minutes as they can. Move it forward, answer questions.
My guess is that their problem in future seasons will be that they'll be making connections that will contradict what happened earlier, and that's going to drive people nuts.

[waitingforlost]

@Lorne,

So is Hereos going to run for more than one season ?
What was it 60 days from epi one to disaster ? I forget, I'm sure there is a Heroes timeline out there. They'll either have to drag out the last few days before New York explodes or set-up a whole new problem for the Heroes to stop.

[Painki11er]

@cameron: thanks for the complement and feedback, now that I actually have one person reading it, i have a reason to keep doing it, and if you haven't read the spoilers yet for Par Avion (epi. 312), i've already started work on that one, and a BIG spoiler was already released that you will enjoy...

[Jamie (c)]

@ frankmorris, No big deal - NBC sort of kept who Linderman was a secret from the viewer and so I was still speculating on who was playing him. (but didn't care enough to do some research)

Anyway enough of that talk, it would be too easy to convert this list into Heroes discussions. ;-)

[Scottydo]

RE: SPOILERS

This really pisses me off. Anything that is related to ANY show that could be considered to be any kind of a REVEAL should be flagged. Come on guys, it's just polite.

You should be flagging this kind of thing when for at least 48 hours after something has aired. Loads of people are watching shows having recorded them. It doesn't change the fact that it only takes like 2 seconds to type LOST SPOILER or HEROES SPOILER when its something relating to a reveal.

Thanks Frankmorris, I've been waiting all week to watch Heroes tonight and to find out who Lindeman is. If you've seen any movies lately with twists and wanna share them with us to save us the box office fee that'd be great too.

[Jamie (c)]

@ waitingforlost - don't think it's too surprising to find BSG and Heroes fans here and it's REAL HARD to not dive into talk about either - especially when their offerings are putting SOME current Lost eps to shame.

I just finished watching the Heroes chapter finale, and it was awsome - I've NO problem with them bringing in someone new every week, whatsoever. Their writers obviously know how to manage it.

And that's all I'll say about that. :)

(seriously, I will not speak of Heroes in these Lost halls any further)

[Scottydo]

PS. I read these Lost comments sections only after I've watched the episode, so I don't mind when its about the show thats just been on, because of course you'll discuss the reveals to be discussed there.

Heroes stuff I read after I watched Heroes, same with BSG, so I don't expect to find spoilers for other shows when I'm reading about Lost.

[riverfr0zen]

@paink11ler: awesome

[Painki11er]

I have just gotten the best theory ever for the identity of Jacob. Ok, here it goes:

Kate, Sayid, Locke and Frenchy find patchy at the flame station, and shoot him dead. They get down to the station and get into a large room, carefully shadowed to cover the head of a man in a chair turned away from the four merry adventurers.

"Who's there?" Shouts captain A-rab.
All that they hear in reply is maniacal laughter, and the chair slows turns around.
"I'm Jacob," comes a very evil sounding voice.
"Show your face" yells the crazy frenchy
Then, out of the shadows, comes Mike Myers with a shaved head!
"Britney Spears?" questions Kate.
"NO, genious, its Dr. Freaking Evil!" yells Sawyer who magically appeared out of no where, appearently drunk from all the Dharma Beer.
"Muahhaha! That's right, and that's not all! Look who else is here!"
Then, out of the shadows behind the chair comes Zach, with a freshly shaved head.
"Hey, weren't you the kid from the tail section?" questions Mr. Clean.
"He was," says Dr. Evil, "but now, he is Mini-ME!! MUAHHAHAHAH!!!!"
"So that's what you all were doing with the kids, shaving their heads and making them incredibly evil?" Asks Sayid.
"That's right, and I now have an entire army of minions. Come on out, kids!"
All of the kidnapped children magically appear, with heads as bald as... something really bald (sorry, can't think of anything really bald right now). THE END.

So that's pretty much my theory of who Jacob is and what happened to the children. It's all obviously completely plausible, so you don't have to complement me on how awesome it is.

[Painki11er]

@river: thanks

[waitingforlost]

I just found a Q&A with the creator of Heroes and he was asked about how long Heroes would last -- he said something almost identical to DL and CC were saying about LOST lasting at most 5 seasons. How can they drag Heroes out for five seasons ? It's a great show but not that great.

As I said before you can't really expect people to spoiler font Heroes spoilers for goodness sake this is a LOST site. Next we'll be spoiler fonting books and old movies just in case.

Matt Jones summed it up well in a post a while ago and again on a podcast. I can't remember what he said, or which podcast it was in, but it was spot on.

[Mark B]

New Official LOST podcast on itunes .....

QUOTE "Josh Holloway, Jorge Garcia and Daniel Dae Kim give us a behind the scenes look at the filming of "Tricia Tanaka Is Dead". The editor of the Official Lost magazine, Paul Terry, also joins us for some insight into Lost. Finally, take a listen to a clip from next week's episode, "Enter 77" (3/7/07)."

[Lorne]

@ Waitingforlost

It'll definitely go longer than 1 season. There's a major theory/spoiler that I don't want to type here, but it's a major shift for the entire series, that would allow it to continue. But it's a large enough risk that they might alienate their entire fanbase.
But like I said... if they continue along the same path, they'll run out of plausible connections between the characters, and the viewers will get... well... lost.

[frankmorris]

@ Scottydo
I made a guess at who that was. I still have no idea
(no one answer that)
I am only a tepid Heroes watcher & had no idea that there was so much anticipation about that.

My bad.

[frankmorris]

@ waitingforlost

Thanks,

I think Matt Jones' words were: Don't get your spoiler panties in a wad.

[jg]

Thanks guys for a great cast. I agree it was a significant episode (the only one I have ever watched twice). It was much more than fluff. It was a great hour of tv entertainment. The destiny-freewill dichotomy was explored well.

They seem to draw attention to the junk in the back of the van. Sawyer: "What's with all the recycling?" Was there something there other than the map? Any HD screencaps to examine? (I don't have HD).

I too love "Shambala". I am surprised "they" haven't capitalized on the songs in the form of a "Lost songs" CD. There is a Lost "imix" on "Itunes", but it is only a partial list. Some really good stuff though. The lost sound track is lame. Too much dramatic tv music is tiresome. The songs are great.

The license plate of the Camaro that Hurley was working on has the numbers 429. These were probably placed to let us know the "numbers" weren't always part of Hurly's life. He made them part of his life.

I'm sure she lying. Perhaps she was banished. She told Sayid that she has never seen the Others (when Sayid was a captive)but she is certain that they are liars (when she caught Ben in the net).

I get up early so,I don't stay up past 10pm ever. That means Lost+DVR=jg-commercials=happiness.
Cheers.
jg

[jg]

"she" is Danielle.
Sorry.
jg

[Scottydo]

@Frankmorries

Ok, sorry, I read your comment as fact.

@waitingforlost

Books and old movies...what are you talking about? Cos I'm talking about a show that was only on last night.

Beyond that, look, I watch Lost, Heroes, BSG and 24. It's about all the TV I watch. Lost is the only one I bother to read about - I love it and I love the discussions about what's been happening.

Now if I walk into a Lost site I expect to have to navigate spoilers sometimes lazily flagged for upcoming episodes of Lost and that's fine, but not for a show that was on the night before and on a site that's not even supposed to be about it. I'm all for discussing interesting thematic links with other shows. Hell, you can write all you want here or any other Lost site for all I care.

Panties aren't in a twist, I'm old enough and stupid enough to know its all just TV. I'm just asking people take a little care with spoilers RE prescient episodes of unrelated programming.

No hard feelings, I'm not really interested in one of those comment section mudslinging contests that appear with disappointing regularity. This is simply my opinion on spoilers for other shows. Apologies for lowering the tone folks.

[Jur]

@ jg

4 + 2 + 9 = 15..............:-)

[jg]

-Jur
Yikes.
jg

[waitingforlost]

@Scottydo

Sorry what I meant by "spoiler fonting books and old movies" is that some people have not seen some movies or read some books that would be spoiled by comments here when links are made between them and LOST e.g. the twist at the end of The Usual Suspects which got a lot of linkage to LOST a few weeks back when it was speculated that Des was dreaming his time travel gig.

But I guess you knew that. To ask people to spoiler font Heroes here is a bit over the top. People barely spoiler font LOST never mind anything else.

I don't think this is one of those mud-slinging things, just a difference of opinion, perhaps another reason for a simple forum type site.

[Nash]

I think one thing that has to be said is that it is NOT a spoiler AFTER something has already been aired on television. It is just a comment or fact about something that has already happened. Spoilers are about shows that have not yet aired. If you are navigating around the internet (especially on SciFi-ish forums) after a show has aired that you have not watched, chances are it won't be hard to find a comment or summary (NOT SPOILER) about said show.

That said, I'll try to warn/mark appropriately comments about other shows in the future, but I do think this is getting a little ridiculous. One of the great things about the LOSTCast forums is that we're friendly and have enough in common to talk about shows/events/global climate predictions :) outside of Lost.

[Jamie (c)]

@ Nash - "Spoilers are about shows that have not yet aired."

True but not totally. A spoiler is anything that gives away something the viewer/reader doesn't know yet because they've not seen the episode/film/book.

It doesn't have anything to do with the air date, it has more to do with being considerate of people who have not seen the show yet. You could still spoil "Crying Game" for someone who hasn't seen it yet, m'kay?

[Mark B]

This is probably not important but I just listened to the official podcast and I'm sure the host refers to tonights episode as "Enter Seven Seven" not "Enter Seventy Seven". It's at about second 40 in the podcast. He says it again at the end around time 17:10. Probably not a biggy and the bloke is just reading it wrong. I recall Fire PLUS Water was refered to everywhere as Fire AND Water. I don't remember the episode that much so can't remember if it made a difference or not. But should someone have to type 7 then 7 rather than 77 it may be a big deal especially if it's like another button pushing exercise or a grid co-ordinate. However all that said on abc.com it says Enter 77 with no space between the sevens.

Sorry to move on from the spoiler fonting discussion that is actually quite alluring in a non-LOST way. I agree with those that said spoiler fonting is something we should try and do for LOST at least but when do you stop ? Is there some years past ruling on the statute books when something becomes a spoiler 8-) ? Or am I just being pedantic.

[Scottydo]

I hear where people are coming from RE spoilers, although I don't by any stretch of the imagination apply that to books, films or TV shows that has been out for a reasonable length of time. TV show 'reveals' only have a shelf life of a few days after they have aired anyway due to people recording.

Now if I went on a general movie forum and blurted out what happens at the end of Sixth Sense a week or two after it was released that would pretty much suck my part. If I go on a discussion and mention it 6 months later, well I'm afraid anyone who hasn't seen it yet is taking that risk. Likewise here when it comes to any form of popular culture.

I know that when I'm having a conversation with friends in a pub about film or TV and I'm about to mention something that is a 'plot reveal or twist that has dramatic significance' (what i consider a spoiler - named as such because it spoils the surprise) I usually do a quick check that I'm not spoiling for anyyone - especially when it is something that is very new. Perhaps I'm just a nice guy like that.

Besides, it's hardly as though anyone is asking you to write your comments using an Enigma coding machine. So "To ask people to spoiler font Heroes here is a bit over the top"... is it really that over the top? I think not. All it takes is a seconds consideration.

RE LOST:
Seen as this is my 3rd comment in 24 hours I gotta say something about it. Everyone needs to stop panicking about Lost, we are barely half way through the season. I agree some episodes of late have been of a lower standard, at times much lower. But the writers of this show have earned my trust enough for me to see out this season without question. Let the chips fall where they may.

I think it really suffered from the big break after 6 episodes, which initially I had thought was not a bad idea. During that time Heroes has come to the fore, and for my part I have really enjoyed what it has to offer. Indeed the previous weeks episode was on par with Lost near its best. But here is my point, Losties have no need to get a chip on their shoulder about people who love Heroes. I think if you followed it you would see how this show is inspired by Lost in many ways.

And Heroes fans, Lost has aired over 50 episodes so far. If Heroes manages to meet half the standard Lost has acheived for this many episodes then I'll doff my cap. Until then, lay off.

[Jamie (c)]

@ Mark B, 7. ;-)

[Joop]

In 'The Crying Game', the girl has a hairy penis...oops

The Pros & Cons of tivo'ing:

Pro: no commercials
Con: If you wait to watch something that has already aired, you might see or hear something you may not want to.

[Matt Jones]

Crying Game: She's a he.

No Way Out: Costner is Yuri.

The Sixth Sense: Willis is a Ghost.

Presumed Innocent: The wife did it.

The Usual Suspects: Spacey is Kaiser Soulsa

Blade Runner: Decker is a replicant

Jacob's Ladder: He's dead.

Identity: It's all in Cusack's head.

BWAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA!

(rubs hands togehter with evil glee.)

[Nash]

I stand corrected by the great Wikipedia (which LOSTCasts is so found of :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler_warning

"A spoiler is a piece of information in an article about a narrative work (such as a book, feature film, television show or video game) that may reduce one's enjoyment of reading, viewing, or playing the work by revealing certain plot events or twists. If someone hasn't read, watched or played the material to which the warning refers, they might wish to avoid reading the spoiler before fully reading the work."

In Wikipedia you can use tags (e.g. {{spoiler}}, {{endspoiler}}) to mark them in the articles and people can use CSS to automatically hide them. I've also seen some cool features on other sites (although I don't often venture on other forums so someone can chime in) where they use something similar to put spoilers in expandable regions of text that are collapsed by default. Of course that would require some additional scripting for LOSTCasts.com, but I wouldn't be surprised if Typepad had some pluggins for something like that.

[Scottydo]

@Nash

Wow, I'm impressed that you went to far as to look up a definition of a spoiler. Lol. I usually find simply writing "Here be spoilers" as good a way as any warn that I'm about to reveal something that some people not wish to see.

Like I said, though I reckon anything that has been around long enough to be seen is fair game. I only blame myself when I read a spoiler for something I should have watched long ago.

[Cihan]

I got a major episode of Lost spoiled while surfing Daily Kos. Pissed me off big time, hehe.

Wait, why am I chuckling?

[waitingforlost]

Matt Jones you are an evil person but you missed ....

St Elsewhere : it's all in a kids snowglobe

Planet of the Apes : it's Earth

New Testament: the main dude gets off'd by the Romans after Judas dishes some dirt. Later he comes back from the dead.

[Nash]

Spoiler warning: Battlestar Galactica.

The best thing I've seen on the internet today: "Save Starbuck. Save the show."

Starbuck: Is She or Isn't She (a survey of blogger opinions)
http://blog.wired.com/tableofmalcontents/2007/03/starbuck_is_she.html

Spoilers end here.

[Justin]

let's see

twin peaks: laura's dad did it

the others: nicole kidman was dead

citizen kane: rosebud was his sled

psycho: norman was dressing up as his mother

chinatown: she was raped by her father, he's behind it all

videodrome: i don't understand the ending

eyes wide shut: the ending was ambiguous

the third man: harry lime is alive

oh and...

lost: henry gale is an other

[Nash]

Spoiler warning: The nature of spoilers.

So if we go with Wikipedia's definition then most comments here should be spoiler marked. And then what the hell is the point? Keep 'em coming Matt Jones, waitingforlost, and Justin!

Spoilers end here.

[Mark B]

Life of Brian : Brian is crucified by mistake after he offers to help someone carry his cross.

Star Wars : Luke and Leia are twins their father is Darth Vader who went to the dark side when his wife died in childbirth and he couldn't stop it. Vader is killed in a fight with the Emperor to save Luke.

[Painki11er]

Everyone, the synopsis has been found for tonight's episode, ENTER 77. If you wish to read it, I posted it on my blog, at: www.nextweekonlost.blogspot.com (I updated the ENTER 77 entry). I'd post it on here, but I think I would have about 20 angry people with guns at my house in 30 seconds.

[Cihan]

BSG was actually very anticlimactic to be honest, I'm not understanding the raving about it. An educated guess from a fan of the show can deduce that we havent seen the end of that character. And if we actually have seen the end of that character, then again I say: anticlimactic. The episode actually reminded me of Desmond's flashback, only not as cool. BSG season 3 has been a bit wobbly, there were some moments in the last couple of episodes where my mind actually wandered, thats not a good sign.

Anyway, I'm gonna ninja-vanish now, I dont live in the USA hence in the next couple of hours ya'll are gonna be spoiling 'n' shit.

[Matt Jones]

Fight Club: He is Tyler Durden.

Seven: It's Paltrow's head in the box.

Wizard of OZ: Not a wizard.

The Village: It sucked.

Deep Blue Sea: The black guy lives.

Soylent Green: Is People!

[Chris In Oly]

Yeah, no more discussion of BSG that implies it is worth watching. Thanks to the discussion I wasted an hour of my life watching the latest episode, and I can never get that back. I gripe about Lost not being character driven enough, 'cause they build up characters and then they seem to react inconsistently to events - but in the BSG it is as if they roll a die to see how they are supposed to react. Crazy one day, happy the other, immoral the next. Lost makes perfect sense in comparison.

[Scottydo]

@Spoiler boys

Little surprised my pointing out that people should be careful about spoilers for a show unrelated to Lost and this website that aired the night before has caused a bizarre level of viciousness.

I never said you need to mark up any spoilers for previous episodes of Lost, just upcoming stuff. Nor did I say that about movies in general or otherwise. I feel like a broken record here, but I genuinely can't believe your rational can't stretch even a little to the arguement regarding OFF TOPIC spoiler consideration here. It's like a fucking school yard.

And besides that, Matt Jones, you're wrong about the Village. The finale in the woods was a bit shit yes, but the rest of that movie was amazingly written, performed, and shot - i totally enjoyed the ride. It's become way to cool to knock Shyamalan. And I'm not an apologist, I just saw Lady in the Water and it has to be one of the worst films I've seen since Pearl Harbour.

[Scottydo]

BTW, sorry that's not meant to say viciousness, I can't for the life of me figure out how to spell what phonetically sounds like - va-ci-cious-ness...

[Nash]

Spoiler boys rule! Others drool!

Spoiler warning: Battlestar Galactica.

Seriously, no love for Maelstrom? I thought it was a great 'mythology' episode. Much better than some politically motivated union BS or made-for-tv-movie racism-is-bad ep.

Sure Starbuck could have gone out frakkin' toasters but how original would that have been? I think something much more important is brewing.

End spoilers.

[Scottydo]

@Nash

You couldn't be more right about BSG, I thought that was a really mythology episode for a show that has been really drifting post New Caprica and the fallout of. Lots of throwaway episodes about nothing in particular.

I read an interview with Ron Moore and David Eick where they were saying big things happen in the next three episodes that will send the show in a dramatic new direction for season 4. Don't know anything about it at all yet,