LOSTCasts 48: Par Avion

This latest podcast focuses on season 3, episode 12 of LOST, Par Avion. In this podcast, we talk about Claire's backstory, her scheme to get the losties off the island, Desmond & Charlie, the "search party" and much more. We also have a special mini "theory" podcast, with a special guest... you remember Brian, right?

Download podcast #48 here

Links related to the podcast:
The Tempest theory
The Fuselage: General reactions

LOST links:
Cuse and Lindelof KCRW interview
Post on LOST class at Tufts
LOST "Halostyle" video
The plot gets "Thicke" on LOST
More on LOST jigsaw puzzles
Spoilers: Nextweekonlost.blogspot.com

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Comments

[AdamLogan]

There was more going on with Locke between when Marvin Candle talked about entering 77 and when it blew up. Next week there will be mixed island and pre-crash flashbacks with John Locke where we see a few more things that give his actions more motive.

[Sobaika]

Thanks for the great podcast, as usual!

[Sarah]

3rd comment! Downloading the podcast as I type. Can't wait to listen to it.

[theandrew]

Gotta save podcast for work in the morning, it helps me get thru to lunch.

[Lance]

Wow you're getting these up earlier by the week!

Thanks as usual. Stay Lost.

[Cihan]

Nice Mikhail intro, and nice to have Brian in the discussion. A whole bunch of cool thought-provoking theories, which always make me wonder how the show would present them to a mainstream audience without dumbing them down.

[Tahir]

GREAT freaking podcast.
Humbled to hear Brian again.

[sam]

woohoo
got a top ten!!
cool podcast.. so far!

[SMKGrl]

Excellent podcast!

I listened to another podcast this weekend, and can't remember which it was, but a really interesting theory was brought up on there that I was hoping would make it into your podcast, but it didn't. It goes something like this...

Nikki and Paolo first appeared on the show in the episodes after the hatch imploded (Is that true? I don't have previous episodes to go back and check). In Season 1, in a flashback episode about Shannon and Boone, Shannon nagged Boone to get them first class seats and bump another couple from the flight, which he did. But, when time was re-set by Desmond changing history (don't think we've been shown this, but maybe it will be in an upcoming epi) Boone and Shannon weren't able to get on the flight and the previously bumped couple, Paolo and Nikki, were actually on the flight in their seats.

All of the people that were on the beach when the hatch imploded know them, because they too were "reset" and always knew P&N, but because Hurley, Sawyer, Kate, & Jack had been kidnapped by the Others, and were far away from the Hatch, they weren't "reset". This is why Sawyer asked Nikki during Tricia Tanaka, "Who the hell are you?". He's actually never seen her before.

It actually hurts my head to think this one through, but I'm throwing it out there for debate.

[Sobaika]

Thoughts:

There seems to be this idea that the Losties aren't considered "good" if they're not on The List. Now what would make them bad? I don't think its that they killed people since, Eko was on the list and he had one of the bloodier flashbacks of all. I'm not so sure if our conventional ideas of what is good or bad apply here.

Eko, Claire/Aaron, the kids, Walt, and Cindy are the ones they were after. Claire/Aaron being on the list is questionable, since Ethan seemed more invested in them than the Others in general. Or maybe the baptism actually did "save" Claire and Aaron by making them undesirable to the Others. Walt is also a gray area since they went to great lengths to capture him but were willing to let him go since he was more than they bargained for. By this did they mean his powers? If so, it doesn't look like his abilities weren't their reason for going after him in the first place.

Children are thought to be uncorrupted, and universally good - explaining the Others' interest in them. As for Claire and Eko, any ideas about what sets them apart? And what about Hurley? A good guy if I ever saw one, but not appealing to the Others.

[sam]

holy shnikies!!
I just had a huge revalation!
ok, so if the people are not on the list because they are "flawed". And you guys mentioned that maybe being flawed means you killed someone. So, Patchy killed Ms. Klugh, and then became flawed. So he knew that if he was brought back to Othersville, then they would find out. And an Other, don't remember who, said that they believe in the idea of an eye-for-an-eye. So he knew that if he went back, he was going to die. And when Locke pushed him into the deadly security system of doom, he looked at Locke and said "thank you." So now, he died, and it wasn't at the hands of Ben. Just a thought!

Stay LOST

-Sam

[idjpg]

@Sam: Maybe Patchy just didn't want to lose his other eye?

[Frankmagnet]

Maybe the people they consider good are the ones they feel they can turn. Most of the good people seem like they could be convinced to turn ie kids, use claires baby to turn her etc.

[Joop]

Some good attempts at a grand unified theory.

I like the 'adopted rich kids/fathers of losties' theory & I don't see why the time frame would debunk it. After all, only fools are enslaved by time & space.

Good to hear Brian again.

[waitingforlost]

Sneak peek #1 for this week is at ....

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/

[Loney Childress]

I have to debunk one thing in the podcast. When it was mentioned that Jules was an old Darmha scientist and was converted. It was mentioned that Dharma failed in 1987 (I think). It seems that most of Dharma has been gobe alot longer than 3 years. Jules recruitment was deffinitely recent. Many clues like the small cell phone she had and such show it to not be in the 80s.

She was recruited by Middleton. Could there be a relation to Hanso #2 Middlewerk? not sure.

[Val]

Hey all. Just wanted to say I am a new listener but I love the podcast! I have downloaded most of the old casts and find the theories to be still relevant today. But since I'm kinda of a newbie to the podcast, I just wanted to know why has Brian stopped pcasting?

Love you guys. Keep up the fantastic work.

[noodles]

Nice podcast,

But I want to debunk your theroy. You said that Mikial was the leader of a resistince, and Bea Klugh was his "protoge".

It was clear that Ms. Klugh was incharge. It was not his idea to kill her. She said "it's an order".

So I am right and you are wrong

[Lorne]

@SMKGrl
Wow! That theory is awesome. I think it might explain why they ended up dead. The island didn't have them as part of its plan.
If it turns out to be true, that's the part of Lost that I love.

[alex's slingshot]

@ Lorne and SMKGirl--

I heard that theory on a board somewhere too, but if N&P replaced S&B somehow than what was the point of Locke's sweatlodge dream in further instructions? He saw Boone and even made reference to Boone being "a sacrifice the island demanded." And that was clearly AFTER the hatch implosion which may or may not have reset time. If that's the case than Boone never would have made it on the island for Locke to sacrifice with his crazy plans...

[jg]

Great Podcast as usual.

I could tell John really had to tighten the reigns at the beginning. (maybe crack the Corona's as you start the Podcast not before. I do hope beer is invoved in your endevor)

Brian, ".. any Sunday...I'll be here". Should I now plan on Sunday Podcasts as the rule? Then...I won't obsessively check my computer on Saturdays

"I wish I had tenure", classic Matt Jones.

Thanks
jg

[Burns]

You guy's seemed pretty interested in the sequel to Trainspotting, the book has been out for a while now - Porno by Irvine Welsh. It's an awesome read - if you liked Begbie in Trainspotting, you'll love him in Porno; imagine him fresh out of prison, loaded up on cocaine and out for revenge - the best bad guy since Iago.

And if you haven't read the book of Trainspotting I'd recommend that too. It's written in a Scottish dialect though, so you have to read it in your head in a Scottish accent for it to make any sense. Read them both back to back and you'll find yourself thinking in Scottish for a couple of weeks afterwards!

Great podcast by the way, keep it up.

[Mark B]

@ Lorne and SMKGirl and alexs slingshot,

Also Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley also saw the sky go purple. As did Ben et al in the S2 finale. So surely they would be re-set too.

I suspect this is just a shout-out to the fans and N&P were there all along, probably as survivors and Sawyer just hadn't paid much attention to Nikki before. OK knowing Sawyer this is unlikley but he has been off on a few expeditions and on the raft then he was away with the tailies and then he was taken by the Others.

[Olivia]

I missed Brian! Either way, you guys are awesome, keep it up, thanks.

[SMKGrl]

@ Mark B...

Could it be though that Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Hurley and the Others weren't reset because they weren't in close enough proximity?

As for Sawyer not noticing Nikki in 60 days, I ran this one by my husband and he said emphatically, NO. For a man like Sawyer and a woman like Nikki, stuck on an island...not possible.

I certainly hope this isn't what's going on because we'd spend a lot of time poking holes in the theory. There's just too much that has happened (Ana Lucia shooting Shannon, Shannon and Sayid's relationship, etc). But, I still think it's an interesting theory.