Get Ready: Through the Looking Glass

Yes, the two-hour season finale of season 3 of LOST is upon us, with the airing tonight of season 3, episode 22, Through the Looking Glass. Our podcast for this LOST season 3 finale will be a week delayed due to the holiday weekend, so leave us your comments by posting them here, sending us an email, or leaving an audio comment on our automated audio comment voicemail: 206-666-2278.

We'll see you after the holiday! Stay LOST.

Comments

[Tahir]

I hope its better than the Heroes finale.

[Jarrod]

lol @ Tahir. Amen.

I'm pretty psyched for tonight’s finale. Too bad @ 11 pm I'll be in complete misery knowing that Season 4 won't begin until 2008!!!

I've stayed spoiler-free, but I have a bad feeling that Jin, Sayid & Bernie aren't long for this world. Same for our fav member of Driveshaft. Of course, all that build up & no dead Hobbit last week might mean he's going to be around for a bit longer....

Oh, and I'm predicting John Locke does something really dramatic this week. Kills Ben? Rubs away Richard's mascara? Gives Jack a wedgie? We'll see....

Great Podcast, btw. I try to listen every week!

Stay Lost!

[WeakLemonDrink]

Oh, I'm ready. I'M READY.

[Alu]

I agree, Heroes was a huge let down/cop out, a light sprinkling of cheese mixed with a large dose of anti-climax.

Ah well Lost can only be better, damn I have to wait an extra day before I get to download it.

[Loney]

Maybe I missed something. Where is everyone getting this '5 people will die' thing.

Also could the 5 people be Ben's woman-abducting squad?

[Loney]

Oh and yes. Heroes finally was not that great. In fact the whole show is so slow and unfullfilling. Trying to imitate Lost, but not giving you a good enough dose every week. I think Lost does better because the back stories give you some kind of sense of completion every week. Even though we are all hanging on the mysteries and such, we leave with, what seems like, a complete story of some kind.

[Tahir]

I REALLY can't see Ben dying.Who will take his place as the baddie ? Lost needs a baddie like Ben - he's superb.

With so much talk about Charlie kicking the bucket I'm beggining to wonder if thats all been a big reuse.

[Alu]

Heroes has been a great show all season, I love the depth of Lost but I don't see how you can compare the two.

I feel the same way about the Heroes season finale as I do about Spiderman 3!

When you live in China and see how bad the TV is here, believe me Heroes and Lost are priceless.

[Mike in the Box]

Subject: Jorge (Hurley) in old commercial

I dunno if anyone has seen this, but i found an old jack in the box commercial with Jorge in it. It also has the guy who played Pedro in Napoleon Dynamite.

check it out.

http://www.petersreviews.com/index.php?/archives/976-Jorge-Hurley-Garcia-From-Lost-In-Old-Jack-In-The-Box-Commercial.html

[Nash]

Spoiler alert: Heroes finale

That Heroes finale was such a HUGE letdown. It really shouldn't be called a finale at all. Just a crappy episode where a bunch of people die (or do they even?). All that Apocalypse build-up for nothing!

The man with every power in the world has a fist fight with his arch nemesis and then needs his brother to fly? Give me a freakin' break. And Hiro's non-hero sword charge miraculously works this time on Sylar despite his just demonstrated ability to stop bullets (such a Matrix ripoff btw)? Please. Where was the super-powered battle royale that they hinted at in the hallway? What the hell did they spend their successful-big-budget-NBC-primetime-show money on? I've seen better special effects on SciFi shows.

And what the hell was that Desmond-like flashback that Peter relived? Is that ever going to be explained?

I felt like I wasted 23 hours of my life. We could have came up with a better finale script than that! "All You Need is Love" my a$$!

Spoilers end here.

[Joop]

Happy Lost Finale Day...the storm before the calm.

Prediction:
The man of science- man of faith little game will move to the next stage.

Joop©

[Lost Armadillo]

I predict (total guess, I have no spoilers) that tonight we will learn something shocking about Jack and his father. Either Jack killed Christian while they were both in Sydney, or Christian is still alive. The body he identified at the morgue could have been faked. Or it could have been Christian with a dose of spider venom.

I got the idea from re-watching "White Rabbit" this week. The title made me wonder if there might be a clue about what lies "Through The Looking Glass." I noticed Jack did not seem very surprised that the coffin was empty when he found it in the cave. Also, when talking to Locke about his visions, Jack never directly said that his father couldn't be here because he was dead. He just said "that's impossible."

Now Darlton have, I think, confirmed that Christian Shepherd is dead. That doesn't necessarily mean his body was on the plane, though. Remember Jack talked the Oceanic agent into taking the coffin without the normal paperwork.

[Courtney]

Happy Lost finale day!

[biolite]

Can't WAIT! for the Finale! Hope everyone enjoys it.

RE: Heroes finale (SPOILERS)

It was pretty meh. They had been showing us what the final confrontation was going to look like all season, I had expected it to be a little bigger when we finally saw it. Oh well. I understand that the reason Peter couldn't fly himself was that he was concentrating too much on not blowing up. If he tried to use flight he would of lost control and gone nuclear.

7 hours to go!

~Biolite

[Sobaika]

RE: Heroes Finale

Pretty darn crappy. It highlighted the fact that it will always be a show with shoddy production, weak scripts, cheesy dialogue, and bad acting held together by quick and easy answers and an interesting premise. Can you tell I'm a bit dissappointed?

Can't WAIT for tonight! If it's half as good the past couple of episodes have been, we're all in for a treat :) Happy Lost Day!

[Lmnop]

happy lost day everybody!!!!!!!

[Mike in the Box]

Anybody have any good LOST group games? I am putting together a LOST Finale party for tonight and wanted some ideas for a LOST based group game.

thanks,

[Jon]

find the liar
acting like the smoke monster
BareNaked Hurley sing-a-long
truth or dare
spin the bottle
or you could just have a giant orgy

[jon]

or you could play 'who is the other?'

i still like the idea of the orgy better

[jon]

or you could play 'who is the other?'

i still like the idea of the orgy better

[Joop]

@ Mike in the Box

You should place bets on how many minutes in until Bernard dies.

My sisters making fish biscuit cookies w/ 'Dharma' in frosting & someone here had a good idea of putting Dharma labels on the beer.

Joop©

[Experiment 626]

Listening to podcasts and talking to other fans, I wonder -- is there a single character who has NOT been accused by fans of being a liar/secret bad guy? And before anyone else answers, I have seen people question even Hurley's motives; remember when he shot of the flare gun? "Oops."

I mean, even Vincent is a target of suspicion! :D Although I do think there may be more to him than first appears ... he DOES have those shifty eyes! ;)

SSB

[Experiment 626]

Should have read "shot off the flare gun." Grrrrr. I hate typos -- ESPECIALLY my own!

SSB

[jg]

@ Mike in the Box
"Lostial Pursuit"
Tivial persuit only with your own cards and catagories, i.e. Others, 815ers, etc. I know its 3pm in Chicago so you need to get going on the cards.
........................
everyone gets a name based on behavior
Tell each person a separate secret only you know the answer to. The first on to blab will be called-Kate

First one to go to the bathroom-Paulo

eats the most-Hurley

drunkest/drinks the most-Desmond

etc.
...............
Speed chess the book "Through the Looking Glass" is based on a game of chess

[Mike in the Box]

Thanks for the ideas everyone!

i am coming up with some "sawyerisms" and have us guess who he was talking/referring to...also we are going to pull character names out of a hat and if your character dies in this episode you win a prize...i found some "drinking" games which i thought of modifying and assigning points to each event, for example: if jack cries in the woods you get 5 points (whoever drew jack's name), if sawyer uses a nickname, you get five points (whoever drew sawyer's name), if charlie talks about driveshaft and no one cares you get 5 points...etc....the most points wins a prize.

any other ideas?

[jg]

@ Mike...
Hurley says "Dude"

[jg]

@ Mike,
Hurley -Dude:5 pts
Sayids plan doesnt work: 5 pts
Locke physically damages Mikhail: 5 pts
A rabbit reference: 1 pt
a rabbit shows up: 5 pts
Kate dispays stupidity: 1 pt
Jin says something in english: 3 pts

[chris in oly]

@Expirement 626

I think anyone who has had screen time has had their honesty questioned.

However, I think Artz (the science teacher)is pretty clear.

I thought Bernard was in the clear, but then he was asking questions about pearls right before they found the Pearl hatch...

I never trusted that Frogurt guy. He never likes to get in front of the camera.

[Mike in the Box]

here's what i have so far. let me know what you think...

LOST the game

We will draw character names “from a hat.”
Part 1:
If your character dies in tonight’s finale, you will win a prize.

Part 2:
You will accumulate points for every time your character does one of the listed behaviors. Don’t be afraid to yell out that he/she did something that might earn you points. The winner will be the one whose character has accumulated the most points.
There is a random chance that any of these behaviors will happen. If not, relax, it’s just a game.

Sawyer:
If he calls anyone other than Jack, Kate, or Hurley a nickname, you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

If Sawyer says the phrase “son of a b****” you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

If Sawyer refers to Kate with any term of endearment (including “freckles”), you earn 5 points. (one time deal)

Jack: If Jack sheds tears, you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

If Jack’s keeps important information from the rest of the group, you earn 5 points.

If Jack is specifically called a “leader” you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

Kate: If Kate is excluded from the “reindeer games” you earn 5 points.

If Kate kisses anyone you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

If Kate makes “googly” eyes at Jack or glares at Juliet you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

Sayid: If Sayid fails to execute a plan, you earn 5 points.

If he fixes a piece of technological equipment (phone, radio made of coconuts, etc.) you earn 5 points.

If he threatens anyone (Other of Lostie) you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

Charlie: If Charlie talks about DriveShaft you earn 5 points.

If Charlie uses blatant British slang (Wanker, Bullocks, Bloody) you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

If Charlie refers to Desmond’s flashes, you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

Hurley: If Hurley uses “surfer lingo” (dude, gnarly, whoaaa) you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

If Hurley asks to help out or be a part of an “adventure” you earn 5 points.

IF Hurley is in the scene and has visible sweat “stained” clothing you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

Ben: If he refers to Jacob or “the Island” you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

If he is caught in a lie by anyone you earn 5 points.

If he gives a direct order to anyone you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

Desmond: If he says “brotha” you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

If he refers to his flashes, you ear 5 points.

If he mentions his girlfriend (Penny) you earn 5 points for each occurrence.

Finally if your character kills another character, you earn 10 points.

[jg]

@ Mike in...,
Don't forget to get the downloadable DHARMA lables that were "lost links" a few weeks back. They are kinda cool. I've used them on the 2 litre pop bottle and the peanut butter. I will look back to see if I can find the site for you, but I have to drive home now. I'm sure somebody else knows what I'm talking about.
........
Juliet:
displays any emotion whatsoever: 5 pts
double-crosses Jack: 10 pts

Cerberus (dirt monster):
Shows up 5pts
kills somebody 10 pts (as above)

[jg]

@ Mike in...,
I found the site but the ability to get the labels has been removed by the Hanso Foundation. I'm not kidding.

[Mike in the Box]

@ JG thanks for the try.

I made my own labels though. Fun times. We only have 6 or 7 people who come but it is a lot of fun. I wish i had time to make "fish biscuit" sugar cookies.

well everyone we have about 20 minutes. here's hoping for a great night.

[CLOP]

Question? From the last Lost Cast there was talk about Juliet Not knowing about the Looking Glass station. Remember at the beginning of this season when Jack tried to get out of the hatch he was held captive in? They were under water, right? I can't remember if they ever gave us the name of that hatch/station he was in. If we didn’t know, it is something to think about. I still think Juliet may have another agenda we don't know about. Sounds Fishy (no pun intended) to me. Another observation about Juliet I’d like to share is when she talks about her past and becomes emotional she tugs at her pants pocket. She doesn’t do this when she seems to be lying. I could be totally off on this one, but I like it! I love the pod cast!!! VIA CLOP!!!

[CLOP]

Claire:
She says: My Baby 20pts

[Ryan]

This has nothing to do with the episode on now (which is awesome) but... Lost LOLs!

http://www.radiofreemarist.com/lostlols

[Marshall]

What a loop to leave us thinking about for over half a year!

[Alex]

Well. Holy crap. Guess that about sums that up.

[Sobaika]

WHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT????

So it was a flash forward... should provide an interesting S4 if that's where they're going with it. Awesome episode, but still... WTF???

[Alex]

You know. its very possible that that WASNT a flash forward, but that the entire first 3 seasons were a flashback. Or that what happened on the island in this epiusode were a flashback. I dont know about everybody else, but I thought this was a great episode. I was on the verge of tears at one point.

[wpygmy]

How could that be a flash forward? Didn't Jack shout something about calling his father upstairs? Wouldn't that mean he's still alive (i.e. that it had to be before they crashed on the island)?

[Black Eyed Dog]

Holy Schnikeys.

[aj Romero]

thats ridiculous, did you see the maps in jacks room, looks like he really wants to go back. and i knew it was a flash forward becuase of his phone, it was a KRZR which came out this year. i was like haha the producers are dumb how could he have that so long ago, then i realized they are smart and it was the only hint at the flash forward.

[Jason]

As a premetive to "Jack's father is alive!!11!!!" posts, I'm going to posit my theory, that... Jack's father is dead. When he talked about his dead the "cheif of staff" guy looked at him like he was pathetic. I'm assuming this was because it's well known his dead was dead.

I also think most of the people talking about him being a "hero" or "a hero twice" knew about him from rescuing the 815ers...

Great twist, and now... everything will change.

[idjk]

I don't know. Maybe I missed something, but it wasn't that great of an episode. And I was unspoiled. It was probably all that talk of a big game changer..

[Sobaika]

You're right about Jack mentioning his father - I assume he said that because he was high and all cracked out. The doctor gave him a weird look when he said it.

[Alex]

Its possible that was a Desmond flash or something. I dont see what was going on in those flashes actually being whats happening, to be honest. Someone said the thing about him getting his dad, thats true. I think that is some kind of alternate timeline or something.

[alex's slingshot]

god could an actor ask for a more heroic/tragic death scene than the one dom got to play? awesome! and he made the extra revelation that penelope and naomi aren't connected... too bad from the ending it looks like charlie ruined their lives instead of saved them but...

AWESOME EPISODE. it brought everything! who knows if this weird new premise will work for s4, but it certainly made for the most entertaining two hours of TV i've ever watched.

also: yay WALT!

[RDangerfield]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, my main question: who was in the casket?
Jack said niether family or friend so I'm thinking it could have beeb Locke considering he had no real friends and no family that would go to see him. That also leaves Sawyer still alive assuming Kate stayed with him and that's who she was talking about when she said, "He's going to be wondering where I am." Freaking incredible episode now I know why I watch this show.

[Ryan]

Okay, I've got 5 to 1 odds that Season 4, Episode 1 has Mikhail popping up out of the water and gasping for air after the explosion. Didn't they say five would die? Bonnie, Tom, Ryan, Charlie and probably the second woman in the Looking Glass. Mikhail takes a licking but keeps on ticking.

[Loren]

Do you think Naomi might count as the fifth death in Ryan or Gretta's place?

[Steve G]

I, too, was unspoiled. Thought it was very good, but believe it or not, I saw that ending coming. I started to think it was a flash forward because Jack has never seemed quite that crazy in the past. Also, when he said, "You don't know what I've been through," I couldn't imagine what could be so bad that had happened pre-island. And then, when they were trying to conceal the identity of the person he called, I figured it had to be one of our Losties. There was no one else in Jack's past that we'd care that much about, and they eliminated Sarah early on as a possibility.

[idjk]

The location of the funeral home should lay clue to the occupant of the casket. Screenshots don't seem to show anything of the article Jack read.

[wpymgy]

Also, does anyone understand why Charlie had to sacrifice himself? That part made no sense at all to me...why didn't he run out the other side and close the door from there...

[alex's slingshot]

Ben is obviously the boy who cried wolf. he lies and lies, and when the Losties finally learn he's not to be trusted is the one time he might actually be telling the truth.

HURLEY is THE MAN with the van. LOVE HIM

[KB]

I agree with Steve G, I saw the twist ending coming a mile away, but the idea was still shocking. Does this mean that Jack, who was so hell-bent on saving our losties, left some behind? I got the feeling that only certain people got of the island. Why else would he feel so guilty and want to go back so badly?

Also, why were the others building a runway?? Is Ben going to get the sympathy vote from the losties once the "bad guys" really do show up? And what the hell is Walt doing on the island (is he a manifestation of Jacob)?

[rok]

i momentarily thought that it could be penny, that somehow, after desmond vanished, and penny's influence as well as jack being a reknowned miracle-worker, that they might have hooked up. i was scrambling to think if desmond had ever mentioned her to him. penny and jack didn't cross paths at the stadium that one night when desmond meets jack. but then, in an instant... son of a gun.

so, NOW, if we've run out of flashBACKS for people, we may start getting flashFORWARDS to a point after they get rescued from the island, and see what has happened to them all since. and, suddenly, all of the on-island footage becomes one huge flashBACK.

wow, my brain hurts. and this episode WILL have me looking forward to the next season (whereas while the hatch implosion was good, it had so much finality to it, i didn't feel that next-season pull. this episode DEFINITELY has that pull.

by the way, no one ever actually confirmed jack's dad was alive. when he told the other surgeon to go talk to his dad, the other doctor just rolled his eyes like "here's that alcohol and oxycodone (or whatever) cocktail whackjob-talk again" and when he's at the pharmacy, the pharmacist might have called, but he cut her off, possibly to hide the embarrassment that his dad was dead and couldn't have authorized the prescription.

personally, best moments: ben getting an elbow to the face from danielle, hurley mowing down the others in the dharmamobile, and sawyer's "that's for takin' the kid off the boat". awesome, awesome, with a thick slice of awesome in between.

[Megan]

that was an awesome episode. and to go back briefly to heroes - the heroes finale defintely fell flat.

but this one did not.

for the whole ep tho, right up until i realized he was calling kate, i really thought that this was an alternate timeline, desmond changed something with his flashes, changing the past, so the plane didn't crash, and jack's dad was the person who was dead.

so i guess the question now is, is this a couple years in the future when they've been rescued? or is this only one possible outcome, depending on what they change. looks like the pieces have been set in motion for it to come out like that though with jack talking on the sat phone. it's gonna be a long 8 months or whatever it is.

and i guess we know jack and kate survive the next 3 seasons. unless of course the future can be changed.

such a good episode. hurley was awesome!

[RDangerfield]

Charlie had to stay because the door only locked from the inside and the force of the water would have caused it to remain open, HOWEVER
Two things pissed me off:
1) I think he could have fit through the porthole and swam to the surface and
2) He had moooore than enough time to just run to the sub entrance and swim to safety
Oh and one more thing: wasn't the ceiling very high in the looking glass? The water would have rushed in to the height of the window and then stopped as all the air would have stayed at the top and had nowhere to go to allow room for more water. Maybe my physics are messed but I thought it was a little contrived how Charlie died.

[Joachim]

like RDangerfield asked, who was it in the casket?

Did they ever show the obituary in the piece of newspaper Jack had?

I have the feeling it could have been Sawyer.

[sandie]

I feel like assuming that Kate is referring to Sawyer in the "flash forward" just seems way too obvious. What if it was Sawyer in the casket... and BEN that Kate was speaking of... wouldn't that be trippy!

Great episode, and awesome job with the podcasts.

[Alex]

First, I think it was Sawyer in the casket also. Second: its a HUGE credit to the writers in getting us to be dismayed at the idea of these people being rescued.

[Walker]

It was definitely Michael in the casket. Think about it. It was obviously an area of town with a big African American population, based on the guys out front and the minister. And Jack said he was neither a friend nor family, and the list of those Jack considers enemies is short - the others, Locke maybe, Sawyer maybe, but certainly Michael.

[midgemadge]

Ok, on the funeral home tip, some thoughts....funeral home was clealy in a black neighborhood -- black funeral director too. Perhaps Walt? Michael? Rose?
Rose's cancer may have returned? Because she had *left* the island...

Jack was affected because bit by bit he realizes he -- and the other people -- weren't supposed to leave the island.
They get sick...? Maybe? who knows.

[rok]

by the way, are we to assume that oceanic (or someone) gave all the survivors "golden passes" to FLY anywhere for free? that might win the award for "worst consolation gift EVER."

[Alex]

PS: If this was for real, why wouldnt Jack have the coordinates to the island? I mean, if you were stuck there for year, and got rescued, wouldnt you get the coordinates?

[rok]

jeez, black neighborhood and funeral director = michael, rose or walt? didn't you folks learn anything from the bernard reveal?!?

[Alex]

I keep posting these. Because I keep thinking of things. You know, Locke could have easily shot that phone. But he didnt. He shot beside it. I think it might have been Lockes plan to miss, and allow Jack to use the phone

[Mr. Whisper]

This episode revealed the dichotomy of the show's title, "Lost". The sub-point is that they are "lost" on the island and this season seems to suggest that this conflict is now resolved. However, the major point is that these characters are "lost" in their lives which, despite being saved from the island, they are STILL "lost".

The only question is: why does the future Jack need to get back to island? Does he miss his leadership position? Did they leave some folks behind? Do they learn more about the importance of the island before they leave in Season 4 which compels them to return?

What a great show!

[RDangerfield]

Ha ha so true @ Alex
Yeah I think Kate still being with Sawyer could be too obvious but if Saywer was in the coffin wouldn't have jack said he was a friend of the deceased( of course 3 seasons is plenty of time for them to become enemies)? I think being that Jack and Locke being on bad terms puts Jack in the category of neither friend nor family.

[BrianC]

Charlie's death contrived? Did anyone see how small the porthole was? Has anyone even tried to fit through a porthole when water was rushing in? Even after the chamber filled with water, the porthole was too small!

Also, and more importantly, Charlie knew he had to die in order to save Claire and Aaron. If he closes the door from the outside, thus saving himself, he runs the risk of neither Claire and Aaron surviving and climbing on board the helicopter as Desmond predicted!

[rok]

oh, and lest we forget, so, um, apparently all is forgiven for kate blowing up her dad when she gets back to the mainland? gonna like to hear how they explain THAT one off.

[kahan]

Fantastic stuff.

Neat to see older Walt...is the actor's obvious maturation occurring faster than the timeline of the show explainable through a space/time continuum storyline? And is Walt Jacob? Certainly didn't look like his profile in the rocking chair, but he seems to be running some of the show, or at least moving imprtant things along.

So Locke is sent to stop Jack, presumably motivated by whatever Walt told him...and Locke apparently fails to do this as well.

It will be cool to see what happens/happened right after the voice on the walkie said "We'll be right there!" Did the Losties get stormed? Did Claire and Aaron get on a chopper?

I don't think we'll do a lot of flash forwards next year...we need to see what Desmond does with Charlie's revelation.

Why the hell didn't charlie either try to swim out the porthole (once the chamber filled with water) and then ascend to the surface? It should be a pretty quick pop up. Maybe he figured Mikhail would be outside in the diving gear, waiting to kill him....I don't know, but at least try. Also, as others noted....he could have run out of the room. That amount of water couldn't (I don't think) have flooded the station THAT quickly. I would think they would have had enough time to put on some scuba gear and get out. Then again, maybe Charlie thought he needed to follow Desmond's vision in order for Claire and Aaron to be saved....and then countering my own point, he just found out the rescue team/boat wasn't Penny's. Now this is assuming Charlie can make the leap in logic that if it isn't Penny's boat, then it is some evil/nefarious other group of people. He wouldn't have heard Ben's whole explanaition.

Kinda sad to see Tom die. Seemed likeable enough.

Juliet didn't seemed thrilled to see Tom killed...like it went against her intentions as well.

If Ben really is the good guy, and the people on the boat are the bad guys...then are Juliet, Richard, and whomever else are in on the plot the bad guys too?

I don't think Mikhail has an allegance to anyone....After all, he is named after the father of anarchy.

Lovely (sarc.) reunion moment with Danielle and Alex....the first touching thing Danielle says to her "You will help me tie him up." Nothing like Mother/daughter bonding experiences.

So many more thoughts, but that's it for now.

[Alex]

You know. They totally called it in the official podcast. They said everybody was gonna be wondering what the hell was going on, and that it would be way better if they didnt bias anyone with their own information. Good call Damon and Carlton.

[Doug Nelson]

Amazing. Jack's flash-whatever had a huge payoff, the Looking Glass scenes were fantastic, and the Hugobus? PERFECT.

This episode was the first I've seen where the flash was a better propeller of the show than the main plotline, and I think it's going to open Lost up to a great new format for season 4.

My only complaint was that it seemed like Charlie jumped the gun on his own death...if he hadn't closed the door, it seems like he and Des would've had more than enough time to get the diving gear (or just swim out without it). Unless someone with a better knowledge of displacement out there can tell me that the two open ends of the hatch would cause it to fill much faster.

Our theory on the coffin: No one comes to the funeral, not even Losties....what 815 survivor has no family and, (after he tries to bar them from escaping), no friends? Answer: John Locke.

[Mindriot]

Question: if Naomi wasn't a part of Penny's search party for Desmond, why then did she have the picture of Desmond & Penny when she parachuted in?

Also, why was Locke okay with killing Naomi, but not Jack? That character is all over the place.

[Kal]

Maybe Ben in the coffin....no one would care if he died.

[mark]

Did anyone else notice the size of the casket? It was small, like a child's. I think that Walt might even be too big to fit in it. And since the funeral director said that he would open it if Jack wanted, I have to assume that the body was ok. Maybe Michael, although the casket seems to small for that. Maybe aaron (erin?) although the clues about the neighborhood do seem to indicate that it would be one of the black losties. Maybe Sun & Jin's child, maybe Kate's if she's preggers.

[rok]

my guess as to who is in the coffin. john locke. because after all those years, jack finally realizes that john was right, that they had to stay, and he felt enough remorse to visit him after he died.

[ella]

i agree, i thought it was ben in the coffin.
jack hates him, he's been on the island for so long, so he has no mainland friends. his family is all dead...

the only problem is why/how did he leave the island

[ebenezer]

Did anyone else think that the woman who hit Jack's car (and that he saved) looked a lot like Rachel?? Further evidence to support this is that the woman's son was about the age Rachel's son might be at this point in the timeline. Just an idea.

[Mark B]

Well my head hurts now.

Jack in the futire or a Des flash forward ?

IS Christain alive in this new time ? I think not.

Saw it coming but some rattlesnake that was. The phone was the give away but I wasn't sure 100% until the map scene.

Didn't get the whole Charlie dying thing. The door could have been locked from the outside just not unlocked once the handles were pushed down. The wheel closed the door. But whatever he and Des could dived into the moon pool and have swum out.

Person in the casket got to be Ben. Hence Jack being really upset -- Ben was probably the only person ho may be able to find the island.

But who did Kate have to get back to ? He was waiting. Sawyer or a child ?

Also Locke surely stayed behind as he walked away.

So who did rescue them then ? If not Penny then who ? And what became of the island ? Is Locke the leader of the new natives (Richard and the few remaining Others) fighting against the new Dharma ?

And what of season 4 ..... heck this could go anywhere. Surely not a season of messed up Jack trying to find the island.

BTW Kate washed up very nicely and how come she's not in jail for murdering her Dad then ?

[kahan]

to clarify about Richard, Juliet, and the plot...I meant those who were aligning against Ben

[Megan]

I dont think they left anyone on the island, unless maybe some ppl "melted into the trees" and disappeared (rousseau?) I think Jack wants to get back to the island because he knows that what ben said was right ("why do you want to leave? what is there for you back there? your wife left you, your father is dead" to paraphrase ben). none of the main characters have a good reason to want to leave the island. but only locke sees that. i think jack sees that now and knows they would have been better off staying.

if they do flashforwards for all the flashbacks next year, we'll figure out pretty quick i'd imagine who's gonna survive 3 seasons and who isn't, so i don't think they'll do that.

as for who's in the coffin, if they all find out what michael did (still none of them except ben know right?), then it could be him, could be ben, could be someone that they will all come to hate in the next 3 seasons.

so many questions... more than after the season 2 finale i think. maybe not more than season 1. i dunno. but wow what a good ep.

[RDangerfield]

Ok yes definitely didn't think of Michael as a possible coffin candidate, but would that really have caused Jack to cry? Perhaps as it would be a reminder of the Island and everything that happened but I guess you could say the same about Locke. Also wouldn't Michael have at least one person show up for his death? Locke on the other hand has absolutely no one.

[mark]

One last possibility that I can think of. Sun became pregnant on the Island. Remember back to season 1 when she & Michael were hitting it off & Everyone thought they were getting it on. What if Jin is still sterile & the baby is Michael's. When the birth came, maybe Sund dies giving birth (as women on the island do) & Jin abandons the baby since it isn't his. Don't know what would have happened to Michael, but this would fit in with the seemingly obvious clues that they left us about the neighborhood.

[RenegadeTempest]

I think Rose is the obvious answer for who is in the box. The question is why didn't Kate think she had any reason to go to the funeral. Why did Rose die alone?

Live together and die alone???

[skilbo1023]

That was the first of my predictions to be right. That being said, it was an amazing finale. i just kicked pain killers after 4 years, and if jack is still caring about something like getting back to the island he needs to up his dose!

[jassi]

just remember that we still havent figured out what was going on at the end of the season two finale so i wouldnt expect answers on this one for a while...

[Kal]

I think the funeral home neighborhood was more "poor" than black, suggesting a pauper's funeral. Maybe whoever died in prison, no family, no friends, with just enough money for a simple service.

[rok]

well, going on, what, 100 posts in the first hour after the show? might be a new record.

[rok]

agreed, @Kal.

[randomspaces]

@ rok: You left out one of the other best moments: Sayid breaking the guy's neck using only his legs. That. Was. Awesome. And I agree with all the others on your list.

[Kal]

Was cool how Hurley saved them all with the van, but still amazes me that it runs and still has gas (no evaporation on a tropical island?) after all this time.

[Mark B]

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/index.html

Has secreen caps of the newspaper article .. I see no name but it says "Man found ...."

So that's Rose out.

[BrianC]

Regarding who is in the coffin:

After Jack asked her about attending the funeral, did Kate respond, 'Why would I go to the funeral?' This would imply that the person is someone they have in common but perhaps not liked by Kate (or maybe Jack for that matter)? Does this change anyone's ideas on who is in the coffin? I've seen a limited screencap of the paper on the plane, but can't make out anything. Anyone seen a better screencap?

[ld3ab1o]

come on guys that casket was tiny, i'm not saying i know who it is inside but it's obvious that the casket was made for a child. and by the way walt looks like he just turned 20 in that episode so i'm guessing its not him. all in all, best finale yet.

[BrianC]

Thanks Mark B!

[Jason]

I guess the biggest question for me personally, is... will the format of the show change?

I can see a few different possibilities.

1) Losties get rescued right away after our last on island footage, and the focus jumps to the moment at the end of the flash-forward (it explains Walts growth anyway)

2) Losties don't get rescued, and they continue the "Not Pennies Boat" thing, and we get a continuation of the island story, and several flash-forwards to what people are doing off island

3) It continues like nothing happened, the show continues to have flash-backs, stays on island, and continues that story until the main story catches up with the flash-backs.

Personally I think it'll be #1. I think our losties will get off the island, and we'll likely have some episodes dealing primarily with them dealing with life on island, with perhaps some flashbacks to them being on the island, just before being rescued. Ultimately the losties we all care about will return to the island, because they are supposed to do soemthing there. Obvious this has obvious holes... I mean I can see Jack maybe going through depression and wanting to go back, but I just don't see Claire abandoning her baby to return, or Hurley wanting back.

I dunno, but I can't wait to see what happens at the start of next season. Which is good since I've felt most of the season finales for shows I care about have been pretty mediocre so far this year (24, Heroes), so I'm glad Lost lived up to my expectations.

[Sobaika]

Sayid killing the Other with his thighs of steel was the best moment. Without a doubt. Especially since it was sandwiched between Hurley's vehicle of death and Sawyer's great line: "That's for taking the kid."

Greatest 5 minutes on Lost this season.

[ThatWasSomething]

I thought it was Juliette in the Coffin, makes sense with everything but the location.

I'm not sure, but wow I hate commercials.