LOSTCasts 58: Through the Looking Glass

This podcast focuses on the season 3 finale of LOST, Through the Looking Glass. In this podcast, Brian Linder joins us to talk about general reactions to the episode, the beach plan and trip to the radio tower, the looking glass station and Charlie's death, Jack's "flash forward" and more. We also touch on our plans for the off-season, as well as speculation on what's to come in season 4 of LOST.

Download podcast #58 here

Links related to the podcast:
Podcast user magazine
Lostpedia entry for season 3 finale
J. Wood blog entry for finale
Popular Mechanics on finale
Darkufo season 4 prediction league
Kristen interview with Lindelof
Season 3 DVD details

Thanks again to Rob van den Berg for all the great work this season on our intro/outro music. We'll keep everyone updated on podcasts during the break. Until then, Stay LOST...

Comments

[Scott H]

Yay! It's here - thank you refresh button, thank you lostcasters.

[Scott H]

Yay! It's here - thank you refresh button, thank you lostcasters.

[Connor Clements]

Cheers guys! I've been refreshing all day, can't wait to hear it

[Tahir]

Thanks Guys.

[steven]

you guys are awesome

[Phil]

Thanks guys, been looking forward to this podcast. Gonna listen to it tomorrow on my lunch break.

[Surzel]

Nooo, I heard "final" and "podcast"... Not good...

[rkeane]

just before my bedtime you come through with the 'cast - nice one.

[Ben Lid]

I've been looking fwd to this. Thanks for the work and all that. keep on keepin' on.
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[amy'o]

YAY!!! Can’t wait to listen to what you guys have to say - the finale was such a brainteaser! Can't wait for January!

[hayden]

seriously i wouldnt be into lost at all if it wernt for u guys...GO FUTURE FLASHES!!

[jg]

The podcast review of things has made me think hmmm...

Subject: Time Shenadigans

Could we, as well as Desmond, be experiencing the Dicken's "A Christmas Carol"?
Ghost of Christmas Past
Ghost of Christmas Present
Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come

Could the apparent time shifts be the result of actually shifting between similar universes and not on a linear timeline in one universe. I believe Crichton used some similar device in "Timeline", which, btw had a town in it called "Black Rock". This device would give credence to the statement that Lost-science is Crichton-esque.

In a similar universe to ours perhaps construction projects finish on time, and therefor the Grand Avenue Lofts Hotel is already finished in Jack's new future/universe and where dad is still alive.
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Subject: Jack's beard

I actually thought the crappy beard played into the story. It actually added to my experience of viewing Jack though a cracked pane of glass.
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Subject: Flashbacks

I would be very happy to see more of Jin's backstory (like.. is he a Paik too).
Sayids backsory is barely touched. He must have a brain full of nightmares

[Cameron]

Hey guys, what a fantastic podcast to wrap up Season 3!! I hope you will doing something over the long, long break to keep the LOST spirit alive.

Thanks for keeping us so entertained through the Season.

[Trisha]

Did Desmond say he saw everyone being rescued, or just "Claire and Aaron get on a helicopter"? Big difference between the two scenarios.

I don't think Desmond has seen anything in vision that he wasn't present for in reality. Maybe that's why he dived down to the Looking Glass - not to save Charlie but to fulfil his vision?

I found the audio comment about everything being a mirror-image fascinating. Is there a bigger meaning behind this?

Have the writers locked themselves into an inevitable ending with Jack's flash forward, or, like with Desmond's visions, is the future not pre-determined? If the writers change the outcome, how will they explain that Jack's flash forward won't come true?

I really can't see the plots splitting into several different storylines. More than two or three different divergences of the plot at once would be too hard to follow.

And why would anyone other than Locke and Rose want to stay/return to the island? Maybe Kate, if she can't change her identity on being rescued, but the flash forward indicated that she thought Jack was crazy for wanting to go back. So, why would Jack want to go back? What happens?

There's still so many holes still open - like the four-toed statue and the Black Rock, etc. I think there's enough loose ends to tie up that the writers could tie at least one up per episode for the remainder of the life of Lost.

If more questions than answers come in the next seasons, I'll be cranky.

[Drederick_Tatum]

@ Trisha - I think Desmond really didn't have any motivation for diving down other than not dying of severe acute lead poisioning. imho

[manofsciencefjc]

Has this been mentioned? Could that flash forward have been a desmond flash? I'm sure it has butjust putting it out there. Love the podcast, I've recently found this site and have gone through the podcasts up to the beginning of season 3 so far.

[black_eyed_dog_90]

Loved the podcast, especially the outro - v cool.

Thanks for a great season

[Tahir]

I posted this in the previous section but its worth putting it here too.

A Lost video with some great music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72kQIIDBIUU

Imo - the best I've seen.

[Mark B]

Great cast blokes.

Need to get Linder on more often.

Did you mean Matt is not coming back like ever ?

Really like the out-tro clips.

[Lance]

Fantastic Podcast to end the season! Great outtro too.

[Matt Jones]

I'm coming back. I just had a brainfart and slept through the cast. No LOST episode last week to prompt me. The guys did a great job. Sorry I missed the fun.

[Cihan]

Nice podcast guys, always cool to hear Brian.

# I dont think there is any proof that Desmond went back in time. Lets think about it. There is more proof he saw a pastflash, because we know for sure he sees futureflashes. He doesnt travel to the future, so therefore I continue to believe he didnt travel to the past, regardless of what cryptic quips Damon sarcastically says on the official podcast. This show has always treated the concept of time in metaphors, allegories and symbolism, not literally with time-travel.

# I mentioned the awesome game Far Cry numerous times last year (or earlier this year, I cant remember), its becoming more and more accurate I hope. Next season: mercs, monsters and underground facilities!

# I just had a crazy idea. What was the name of Walt's stepdad? Maybe the guy in the coffin is him... (after a quick Google, I discover the dude's name is Brian, oh well)

[Mark B]

@Cihan

Sorry I think Des did go back in time and relived the whole time we saw. I got the feeling that he'd lived his live up to the point when the hatch implodes and he then goes back to a certain point and starts again perhaps looking to make new choices. The time we saw was just one of those when he was going to marry Penny until Ms. Hawking convinced him not to. I think Des was stuck in a loop until the point he moved on. I think Des was always going to end up on the island but just what drives him to that point may be different.

As I've said before I hope TPTB don't go down the timeline alteration/time travel storyline as it'll just get too confusing.

And to echo what someone said in the cast it could get hellishly complictaed if we have flash-forwards and flash-backs as you'll never really know if you're coming or going and it will open up huge issues for continuity and I don't want to wait for one season to get to "hillbilly heroin Jack" crying at the airport. But if that was all just a "what if" scenario then that's potentially even worse.

[Lost love]

Good podcast to help tie up Season 3 I liked the "outro" too

@Tahir.. that was a good Lost video on "you tube". Thanks for sharing that.

@Lost girl ... I loved your examples of things being backwards in connection to the title "Looking Glass". I would never have thought about some of those like the Jack/Kate or Hurley/Charlie being the heroes.

It will be a looooong summer/fall without LOST:(

[Alex]

^ Yeah for real. Wouldnt be as bad if the DVDs were dropping in september, but waiting all the way till december is gonna be a killer too.

[Mike in the Box]

@ alex and lost love,

some of my friends and i are rewatching the first two seasons during the break. it helps and you see parallelism and symbolism that you would not be aware of during the first viewing.

@ trisha

thanks for posting your thoughts. i think you bring up some great points, especially what desmond saw.

i think Robert had said that desmond only saw flashes of scenes that he was actually present for. and i agree. all of the flashes he has seen (whether we see them or not) have been of situations that he eventually sees with his physical eyes as well. that being said, i feel that if claire and aaron get on a helicopter, desmond will at least be in the vacinity. which leads me to believe that he will get back to the beach and the radio tower squad will return to the beach. then all madness will ensue.

thanks for another podcast guys, i know you don't hear it enough from us, but we do appreciate you and the time you put into all of this. thank you.

[Sobaika]

I don't know I'll last the next EIGHT months without anything Lost-related... *sniff*

But guys, for last time: it's pronounced MOCK-INA.

[jg]

Subject: Lostcasts (the real one)
Thanks!
I really enjoyed the "conclu" (outro) too.

Subject: Dues ex machina
Pronounced: http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?deus_e01.wav=deus+ex+machina

[lost lover]

@ Mike in the Box
I'm going to watch Season 1 starting tomorrow :)
I think you're right about Desmond being present for the flashes
It wouldn't surprise me if there's a connection between Charles Widmore and Mr. Paik and the rescue team...

[JackedupLockedown]

Summer Reading having a blast
Summer Reading to make the Lostlessness pass

10 Books I recommend for Lostcasts fans

10. Watership Down - If you haven't yet what are you waiting for?

9. Mysterious Island - A few similair themes and a great story. Avoid Aldous Huxley's Island and instead try this Verne classic.

8. Notes from the Underground - For those who have not read Dostoevsky this is a good one to start with. Less cumbersome then the Idiot or C&P or Brothers Karamarzov

7. God Bless you Mr. Rosewater - Vonnegut is wonderful reading. This is perhaps his most individual tale and even a novice reader can tackle it in a week or two.

6. Of Mice and Men - Steinbeck is good reading. M&M is pithy and thoughtful and while not the story grapes of wrath is it's a short and satisfinh tale.

5. The Third Policeman - Perhaps the most relative to the show Lost on my list, just finished it and recommend it highly.

4. Atlas Shrugged - Got a summer with nothing to do, want to change your life no matter how old you are? This book moved me to tears and reconciliation with several "lost" friends. It is however as cumbersome as it is powerful at over 1000 pages of small print.

3. Animal Farm - Timeless and poingent. Orwell's best work by far in my eyes. All books are equal some are just more equal then others.

2. The Stand - Steven King is not one of my favs but the writers have given several nods to him in the series and this is IMO his best work,

1, Moby Dick - Always my first nswer when a student asks me what boon (s)he should read. It's not about Whales people.

My summer reading list at the moment includes the following:

In addition right now I am finishing Ulysses by James Joyce which I read as a high schooler last.

#Fountainhead by Ayn Rand - My most lofty aspiration this year
#For Whom the Bell tolls by Ernest Hemmingway - Started reading it in 1978 and never finished it
#Ragtime by E.L. Doctorow - Bought it 10 years ago never so much as opened the cover
#Cats Cradle - Will be my 13th Vonnegut read; 11\12 so far

I'd love to discuss any of these books with anyone. Feel free to contact me via e-mail or the comments section here if you care to opine.

Thanks and stay Lost Lostcasters.

Jackie

[Trisha]

I'm afraid of re-watching the earlier episodes because I don't want to be reminded of too many open loops (which may just be plot holes or loose ends that will never be tied up).

Or, am I missing out on something? Mike in the Box said, "it helps and you see parallelism and symbolism that you would not be aware of during the first viewing."

Is LOST really that well-written?

[Mike in the Box]

@ Trisha

We are 4 episodes in. A friend who has not watched at all before is watching as well. He has questions like, "what did Kate do?" "Why is Locke such a pathetic guy?" "Do they tell you why there are polar bears?" etc. And as we now know those nagging questions we all once had are/are being answered.

There is so much black/white good/evil themes. Not only that, watching it again allows us to see how much they focus on specific characters, how the storytelling has evolved, and of course how much the mythology means to the overall story.

if you have the time, i recommend rewatching. it may remind you of open plot holes, but then again, maybe those are waiting to be answered.

[JimM]

As all have stated - really apreciate the time effort and inspirations that you bring to each week's cast. I look forward to them almost as much as the episodes.

Odd thought about who Kate might be going back to ('he'll wonder where I am") in the forward flash: What if it's Widmore, and he was the one who made the"arrangement" whereby everyone got a pass but cannot talk with each other (hence the secret meet) and cannot divulge anything about the island. He may have made Kate stay with him as a condition to get the murder charge fixed.

[Trisha]

Do the writers actually know how this will end? Or are they making it up as they go along? My husband's complaint with Lost is that in his opinion, even the writers have lost the plot. I have faith that the open loops will get closed... someday. It would help to know if the writers definitely know how all the open loops close, and that they're not going to have some lame-ass tie-ups rushed through or just totally neglect things.

Then again, the Hurley bus tie-ins and even the Paulo-in-the-loo stuff had a lot of fore-thought, which is reassuring.

[Mike in the Box]

Re: Do the writer's know what they are doing?

I think it was in one of the OLP's that Damon mentioned that they have always had in mind where the story is going, what the end is, but that the journey to get to that end is an evolution. If i remember correctly, he mentioned that the story in not just a straight line from point A (the beginning) to point B (the end), but more of a spider web, working from the outside to the center with many options and variables in place. That being said, i have total faith that they have in mind where they are going. They are just trying to maneuver the web to get there.

People ask this question a lot. (do they know what they are doing or are they just making it up) Any writer with his/her salt will tell you that the story more or less writes itself. you set some parameters and then the story adapts to them. i highly doubt that any writer sits down and writes a full length novel from beginning to end with full knowledge of the intricacies of each chapter. and let's face it. the writers of LOST are not just writing one novel, they are writing six: each season has a clear beginning, middle, and end just like a series of stories by King (the Dark Tower series), Rowling (Harry Potter), or Tolkien (Lord of the Rings). Together all the stories tell one over arching story, but they also do very well on their own. such is the case with each season of LOST.

[joop]

@ John, Robert, Matt, Brian & Tasha

Thank you for another season of great podcasts. Enjoy the break!

@ Cihan

I don't think Desmond's visions of the future can be compared to his 'vision' of the past. The future came in brief 'flashes'. He seemed to relive his past in linear time, although I will concede that whether he actually time traveled or not is still open for debate.

@jg

I think you're on to something re: 'A Christmas Carol'

1) The game has (most likely) changed into a distinct structure: past, present, future i.e. flashbacks, island, flash forwards.

2) We have seen Jacks future, but as Mike in the Box pointed out we aren't going to go from A to B & there will be variables in play, allowing for Jack's 'redemption'.

3) The writers have expressed a high regard for Dickens & have referenced his work in Lost.

a) A Tale of Two Cities
b) Our Mutual Friend
c) Little Dorrit

4) The day of the ill fated 'rescue' & possible center of the 'web' is December 25 (if I'm not mistaken).

@ Jackedup

***************** Moby Dick Spoilers *****************

I just read something on Melville & was fascinated to learn that he included the epilogue after the first printing & only at the request of the publishers. They were concerned that the readers would be confused to read a story from a 'dead man'.

I think it's fortunate because it's the greatest part of the book. I loved the irony of the coffin becoming a life buoy & the Rachael finding 'yet another orphan'.

***************** End Moby Dick Spoilers *****************

Joop©

[Lost love]

I think the writers have an idea of where the story is going and how but it doesn't mean that in the next 2+ years they won't change their minds...that's what makes it fun for them.
They might introduce a totally new character that wasn't in their original storyline.
I personally don't think they will leave Jack as a total loser.
Just as Charlie didn't die as Desmond first saw ..I think there are twists for all of the characters.

[Tahir]

I've read a lot regarding Losts' change in its broadcast day AND a possible change in the timeslot again.

Lost, imo, got a helluva lot better in a 'safe harbour' slot - we in the UK call it 'The Watershed' - i.e. after 9pm.
The programme was a lot more gritty, bloody and brutal in safe harbour and I would love if it stayed thay way.

I seriously doubt we would have got Toms' execution, Mickhails blood spurting head etc in an earlier timeslot.

What do you guys think.

[Keith]

Guys, you have an awesome podcast, one of the best around. My only problem is that I have beceome obsessed/annoyed with the amount of times you say 'ummm', John. Just think before you speak!!

Thanks

[JackedupLockedown]

@ Joop and jg

Awesome work guys putting togeather the pieces and drawing the Dickens "Christmas Carol" conclusion. I certainly think there is some relevence considering the nods to Dickens and pliability of time and or destiny. I can't stand Dickens, but now I wish I would have read more then just "Christmas Carol". Does either of you know much about "Little Dorrit" or "Our Mutal Friend" something beyond the wikipedia plot summaries?

@Joop

I had heard the that Story about Melvile before also and I agree it seems unthinkable that the story could have been told without it. What a wonderful book! Who\What are some of your favorites in the literary world?

@ Tahir

I too favor a later time slot for Lost simply because of the writers have more room to use dark and more gruesome methods of dis-patchy-ing of people. Also I got Tivo because my Tivo gets me.

What are the rest of you reading this summer?

Jackie

[Liam]

Locke arriving at the end of the episode was NOT "deus ex machina", it's really annoying when people use the term just to mean "unexpected" or "tenuous". Naomi having a heart attack or an anvil falling on her head would have been deus ex machina, this is not: Locke's mission to kill her was already set up in the "Walt" scene.

[Lost love]

@Tahir
I'm rewatching the first season which was on at 8pm here..It's pretty bloody..mangled bloody leg...the pilot totally mangled in the tree..I don't think the time slot will affect it too much.

[Mike in the Box]

@ Liam

In the sense that Locke was being sent specifically by the island to perform a task, he is the god from the machine. The only problem i have is that it is pronounced Mah-kee-nah.

@ anyone interested in what we are reading

I am finishing my degree in theology/ministry so most of my reading is of that nature, however i do have the following on my TO READ list:

1. Watership Down - Adams
2. The Catcher in the Rye - Salinger
3. Slaughterhouse 5 - Vonnegut
4. The Third Policeman - O'Brien
5. The Prince - Machiavelli

I doubt i will get to all of them as my school work takes up most of my time.

Last summer I read the entire Dark Tower series. I know some people don't like King, but that series is pretty strong and draws from many of the time shift and wizard of oz themes that we see pop up in LOST. If you have the time and can tolerate some dialog heavy story, give it a shot.

[Justin aka Locke Jnr]

Better than last weeks, spoiler episode for the UK / non preview folks. I think Lostcasts is losing it's grip a little, especially in going into theories etc, you were much better in Season 2.

I hope you can be great again, I've recently listened to Lost Lowdown which really get into the nitty gritty - mind you it should at 6hs per episode!

I think the Lost Season 3 on DVD release date is a bloody joke! - Movies come and go and get released before this will happen!

I'm glad there is a break from Lost - time to start on Heroes

[Tahir]

@ Justin aka Locke Jnr

Yes - there were better season finales podcasts.

Its not the same without Matt.

Just saying..

[Jur]

They called Jack a hero a couple of times. I think this refer to the rescuing of some our 815 pepole and not that he helped the woman on the bridge.(I dont read all the comments, so sorry if this is said before......)

[JackedupLockedown]

@ Jur

It's been said many times but I am still glad to hear you also think "Hero Twice over" may be a context clue as to Jack's gaining Notoraity for "rescuing" flight 815's survivors.

Post Script: Only nuts read all the comments anyway...

[Mike in the Box]

@ Jackie

"Only nuts read all the comments anyway..."

nuts like you and me. haha

[joop]

@ Jackedup

I'm not a huge Dickens fan either, although I liked 'Great Expectations'. I tried to tackle 'Our mutual Friend', but lost interest & back to the library it went.

I think that 'Moby Dick' is the greatest masterpiece ever written, but my personal favorite is 'Huckleberry Finn'. I read it as a boy & loved it. When I read it again a few years ago, I was surprised at how much of Mark Twains sharp wit & social satire had gone right over my head (as it did Huck).

Another great Jules Verne book I think Lost fans would love is 'The Children of Captain Grant'. It's about a search for castaways that began by the finding of a message in a bottle (in a shark). A great read, almost as good as 'The Mysterious Island'.

An 'easy to read' I highly recommend is 'The Old Man & the Sea' by Hemingway.

I haven't read any Kurt Vonnegut, but have been meaning to. Thanks for the gateway suggestion, I'll give 'Mr. Rosewater' a try.

@ Mike in the Box

I read the 'Gunslinger' years ago but never kept up w/ the series, but Stephen King books recommended by a theology student has peeked my curiosity...to the library I go.

Joop©

[JackedupLockedown]

@ Box

100% Macadamia and proud of it.

@ Joop

That's what is so great about classics like Huck Finn and Harper Lee's Mocking Bird or even a simple story like the Outsiders. It can appeal to the reader at several stages of their life. Another great example of this is #10 on my list "Watership Down" which on the surface is a childrens story about Bunnies yet when more closley examined contains thoughtful commentaries on society, religon, fate, friendship and above all else the instinct to survive.

I think you'll enjoy Rosewater, it is very funny and as I mentioned a fairly quick read. Vonnegut was fairly proud of the title and gave himself an "A" on it. Only two other novels of the more then 10 that he graded while writing "Palm Sunday" recieved higher marks. (Included is Slaughterhouse V, a ture masterpiece and mainstay on most top novels of all-time lists)

I've never read that Verne title or even heard of it that I can recall. Sounds like one to add to my list though.

@ Box again

On the topic of non-fiction my Son in Law just told me he's sending me a copy of Christopher Hitchens latest "God is Not Great: How religion poisons everything" This should be a very intense read as Mr. Hitchens is a very intelligent and passioniate thinker and orator. I wonder Box if this type of text comes up in your classrooms? Any thoughts you have on the subject would be most interesting to me. It's been a long while since I've been in a theology classroom.

Jackie

[Mike in the Box]

@ Jackie and completely non-LOST related

I read a lot of theology/religion type books. most of them are centered around the idea that most people have the wrong ideas in regards to theology/religion/Christianity/God. Let's face it, nobody has it all figured out. common themes tend to be, "your God is too small," etc. I have a book I am trying to find time to read titled "They like Jesus but not the church." I am looking forward to that one. I would love to dialog about any of this, but question this page as the proper forum.

in my personal perspectives, i tend to be fairly non-traditional and non-denominational, this then causes many to see me as liberal in my theology. i can live with that. i welcome questions and responses (from anyone, not just Jackie).

[joop]

@ Jackedup

An alternate title for that Jules Verne book is 'In search of the Castaways'.

@ Mike in the Box

I think I share your perspective. It seems to me that religion is usually an obstacle to ones search for truth.

Another huge obstacle is the question, How can God be good when (fill in the blank). A great anecdote for this is C.S. Lewis' book 'The Problem of Pain'.

Joop©

[adam!]

possible cure for the pregnancy death thing in the island?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellatio#Link_to_reducing_pre-eclampsia

[Deviant]

Great podcasts all year long guys (and occasionally contributing girl). I don't necessarily agree with the "backwards" concept that Lost Girl pitched - instead I just think that a lot of the things she cited can be better categorised as "character development" rather than any other kind of whacky theme. It was the season finale, it was the time for characters like Jack, Hurley and Charlie to make big character-defining steps.

Random thought: Has anyone seen the film Smokin' Aces? If so, did you also get a cheap laugh out of Nestor Carbonell (Richard Alpert) killing Matthew Fox, who was wearing fake facial hair and a wig far worse than anything the Lost make up department has EVER thrown at him? I thought it was gold.

Ideas for the break:

- I say blow off reading for the most part. The references in Lost are cool, but as a general rule they are really only ever very vague thematic similarities, so actually reading the texts doesn't really relate directly to Lost much at all. It's just the writers showing off how well read they are, I say. I think it's cool, but not something I'd look into in any great depth.

- Instead, re-watch the first three seasons like many of us will be doing. Do a podcast about how your perception of the episodes have changed, focus on what questions are still unanswered and whether or not you think their answers will be of any importance, changes in the style of Lost, whether there was any clear foreshadowing of things to come, etc etc.

I personally rewatched the first disc of Season 1 and much like Mike in the Box posted earlier, I was really happy to see that damn near every mystery has been resolved. Of course, there's still plenty from later in S1 and S2 that we could do with a reminder podcast about.

Enjoy the time off, guys.

[I_Love_Sayid...&_Lostcasts]

good job guys, as always.

I really think we should have a discussion on all the powers that be (the human ones, not necessarily the paranormal ones.)
Let's see if we can't figure out what the deal is with Widmore, Paik, Hanso, Dharma, Oceanic, etc.
(for all the others see:http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Logo)

What do we know about them?
How are they related and what are their interrests in the island?
We know that Ben's group had an off island front organization. What are those corporations' ties, if any to Mittelos(i.e. the Others)?

The writers have taken great pains to illustrate this off island corporate scene throughout the series and went so far as to describe it in Bad Twin and the Lost Experience, both of which are cannon. And now that we've been set up for a convergence between these powers and the Losties, we should prepare a bit. It appears as though corporations (Widmore at least, and possibly Paik and others) have been searching for the island, have found it and are now about to influence it dramatically. Let's talk about that.

[lostcastwithdrawal]

I'd been eagerly awaiting the finale podcast but now it appears that podtrac is down so it can't be downloaded. Is there any other way to access it?!??! I want my LOSTCast! And thanks for a great season of commentary/discussion.

[JackedupLockedown]

Submitted for your approval....

My Nephew created a really simple forum where we can move the discussion for the summer so that it can stay better organized. Let me know what all you guys think.

http://s3.freepowerboards.com/lostcastsfans/index.php?sid=c740fa605c60c42d8304318402a4a67b

P.S. Lostcasters if you want this site, it's yours.

[Mike in the Box]

@ Jackie

the forum looks good.

could we mask the url name? that way we could type "www.jackedupforum.com" and it takes it to that forum. i dunno just a thought

[JackedupLockedown]

@ Box and all

you can also use

lostcastsfans.fpb1.com

It's a little shorter

anything else I'd have to buy the way I understand it.

[jg]

@ Jackie,
Nice

[Mike in the Box]

wait until you see this mashup of LOST with the intro to Growing Pains

http://gorillamask.net/lostandfound.shtml

WARNING: the rest of the gorillamask site is occasionally NSFW.

[JackedupLockedown]

RE: The Forum

I've posted a few topics to get things rolling.

Please sign up if you are interested in using the forum that way I can gauge the level of interest and get the kinks (underrated band) worked out before much longer.

Thanks

P.S. I don't want just the "regulars" the more the merrier for sure.

[Deviant]

I would definitely use a threaded Lostcasts board, far more often than I post here. The forum linked seems good enough to me, but who am I to say?

[Garry]

Anybody commented on the funeral home anagram for FLASH FORWARD? Hoffs/Drawler Funeral Parlor. This isn't this first time we have seen an anagram clue on Lost and won't be the last

[G4rry i5 4 Dum8455]

@ Garry

Are you serious? an anagram in the finale? OMG! Hey everyone Garry has some info from the finale that we might not have figured out THE NIGHT THAT THE FREAKING FINALE AIRED!!!!

I dunno if you listen to the podcast here, but someone figured out the anagram about 5 hours after the show aired. it is in the comments for the finale.

http://www.lostcasts.com/2007/05/get_ready_throu.html#comment-70569344

i just had this assumption that anyone listening to this podcast or reading the comments would already know this.

[Drederick_Tatum]

I just found a cool trailer for Vantage Point w/ Matthew Fox among others. Looks good to me.
http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=7d4b91f3-2fe3-482e-aec8-ce896f8aef7d&f=01/64&fg

[Sigillum Dei Hemeth]

Ok What the hell. Watch the first episode and tell me this is not just like LOST. Its called the children of the Stones, and it is all about a town that is caught in a time loop. Here is from wiki

The series followed the adventures of astrophysicist Adam Brake (played by Gareth Thomas of Blake's 7) and his young son Matthew after they arrive in the small village of Milbury, which is built in the midst of a megalithic stone circle.

"Filmed at Avebury, Wiltshire, it was an unusually atmospheric production with sinister, discordant wailing voices heightening the tension. The series is frequently cited by those who remember it as one of the scariest things they've ever seen. Involving a temporal paradox and issues of individuality and community assimilation, the serial was also thematically challenging for its intended after-school audience, and could be described as a children's version of magical realism

One of the more complicated aspects of Children of the Stones is the concept of the “time circle” and the “psychic bubble”. The main premise of this idea is that the village within the stone circle exists in a time rift where the same actions are played out, over and over again, with the end result being that the power of the circle will eventually be released to the outside world. Whenever this is faulted, however, the time circle resets and the same events attempt again to unfold. However, since time is passing in the outside world in a normal way, that within the time circle must also progress matching the time period of the real world while still attempting to play out the events within.

Within Children of the Stones, there are four cycles of the time circle which are clearly described, although in reality there are likely to be a great number more."

Look into this its really cool

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/3061

[Sigillum Dei Hemeth]

Ok What the hell. Watch the first episode and tell me this is not just like LOST. Its called the children of the Stones, and it is all about a town that is caught in a time loop. Here is from wiki

The series followed the adventures of astrophysicist Adam Brake (played by Gareth Thomas of Blake's 7) and his young son Matthew after they arrive in the small village of Milbury, which is built in the midst of a megalithic stone circle.

"Filmed at Avebury, Wiltshire, it was an unusually atmospheric production with sinister, discordant wailing voices heightening the tension. The series is frequently cited by those who remember it as one of the scariest things they've ever seen. Involving a temporal paradox and issues of individuality and community assimilation, the serial was also thematically challenging for its intended after-school audience, and could be described as a children's version of magical realism

One of the more complicated aspects of Children of the Stones is the concept of the “time circle” and the “psychic bubble”. The main premise of this idea is that the village within the stone circle exists in a time rift where the same actions are played out, over and over again, with the end result being that the power of the circle will eventually be released to the outside world. Whenever this is faulted, however, the time circle resets and the same events attempt again to unfold. However, since time is passing in the outside world in a normal way, that within the time circle must also progress matching the time period of the real world while still attempting to play out the events within.

Within Children of the Stones, there are four cycles of the time circle which are clearly described, although in reality there are likely to be a great number more."

Look into this its really cool

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/3061

[Sigillum Dei Hemeth]

Ok What the hell. Watch the first episode and tell me this is not just like LOST. Its called the children of the Stones, and it is all about a town that is caught in a time loop. Here is from wiki

The series followed the adventures of astrophysicist Adam Brake (played by Gareth Thomas of Blake's 7) and his young son Matthew after they arrive in the small village of Milbury, which is built in the midst of a megalithic stone circle.

"Filmed at Avebury, Wiltshire, it was an unusually atmospheric production with sinister, discordant wailing voices heightening the tension. The series is frequently cited by those who remember it as one of the scariest things they've ever seen. Involving a temporal paradox and issues of individuality and community assimilation, the serial was also thematically challenging for its intended after-school audience, and could be described as a children's version of magical realism

One of the more complicated aspects of Children of the Stones is the concept of the “time circle” and the “psychic bubble”. The main premise of this idea is that the village within the stone circle exists in a time rift where the same actions are played out, over and over again, with the end result being that the power of the circle will eventually be released to the outside world. Whenever this is faulted, however, the time circle resets and the same events attempt again to unfold. However, since time is passing in the outside world in a normal way, that within the time circle must also progress matching the time period of the real world while still attempting to play out the events within.

Within Children of the Stones, there are four cycles of the time circle which are clearly described, although in reality there are likely to be a great number more."

Look into this its really cool

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/3061

[Sigillum Dei Hemeth]

Ok What the hell. Watch the first episode and tell me this is not just like LOST. Its called the children of the Stones, and it is all about a town that is caught in a time loop. Here is from wiki

The series followed the adventures of astrophysicist Adam Brake (played by Gareth Thomas of Blake's 7) and his young son Matthew after they arrive in the small village of Milbury, which is built in the midst of a megalithic stone circle.

"Filmed at Avebury, Wiltshire, it was an unusually atmospheric production with sinister, discordant wailing voices heightening the tension. The series is frequently cited by those who remember it as one of the scariest things they've ever seen. Involving a temporal paradox and issues of individuality and community assimilation, the serial was also thematically challenging for its intended after-school audience, and could be described as a children's version of magical realism

One of the more complicated aspects of Children of the Stones is the concept of the “time circle” and the “psychic bubble”. The main premise of this idea is that the village within the stone circle exists in a time rift where the same actions are played out, over and over again, with the end result being that the power of the circle will eventually be released to the outside world. Whenever this is faulted, however, the time circle resets and the same events attempt again to unfold. However, since time is passing in the outside world in a normal way, that within the time circle must also progress matching the time period of the real world while still attempting to play out the events within.

Within Children of the Stones, there are four cycles of the time circle which are clearly described, although in reality there are likely to be a great number more."

Look into this its really cool

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/3061

[jeffinthe9]

Was that a flash forward or was that a Flash forward from Desmond of a possible future? Just like the other visions of Desmond, it could be changed

[Deviant]

Holy crap, that trailer for Foxy's new movie Vantage Point DOES look really good, and I'm a snobby video store guy who bashes a lot of the big films people like. If that's half as good as it has the potential to be (and I want to trust Forest Whitaker's choice in scripts) the congratulations to Matthew Fox for picking/getting a cool film. He gets second billing behind only Quaid and above Whitaker, so it's not a small part, either. I'll be adding that to my list of films to keep tabs on.

Also...

"OMG! Hey everyone Garry has some info from the finale that we might not have figured out THE NIGHT THAT THE FREAKING FINALE AIRED!!!!"

^ That right there, along with the quadruple post from SDH, is Exhibit A on why a proper message board for Lostcasts is a damn good idea. On a real board, you could delete those posts (can you do that here?) and give the smartass a nice little temporary ban or something.

[Deviant]

Plus now that the show's over, it'd be cool to have threads about side stuff like Vantage Point.

Not to mention the ability for us to edit our posts to add on a sentence like that one.

[Errockk]

my dad met elizabeth mitchell (Juliet) today. He's a radiologist and he gave her an MRI in Seattle. He told her i'm a big fan of the show, and she signed her entertainment weekly cover for me. be jealous hehe.

[Black Fonzie]

A moderated forum would be a great idea. I just lurk here every week, and would like to post, but by the time I get around to it the comments section has gotten too unwieldy. I can't be bothered reading it all to make sure my point isn't already made (always much better) by someone else. Not to mention the short-ass tempers sometimes on display, which makes the idea of speaking up unpleasant...

@ Jackie, re: your reading list: Doctorow's Ragtime is fantastic. It takes a while for all the story threads to start coming together, but once they do, you won't be able to put it down. The Book of Daniel and World's Fair are also favorites by Doctorow. Cat's Cradle is essential Vonnegut, so happy reading there. And on the topic of Moby-Dick, try Melville's Confidence Man if you haven't. Watch modernist literary fiction become invented before your very eyes.

@ Lostcasters: Thanks, hope to see you soon.

[jg]

Subject: forums and wiki

Jackeduplockedown has set up a forum for us. I'm a little surpised that there has not been more activity there. Though I must admit I'm somewhat out of ideas too.

Also, Nash set up a wiki page.

Forum: http://s3.freepowerboards.com/lostcastsfans/index.php?sid=c740fa605c60c42d8304318402a4a67b
or
lostcastsfans.fpb1.com

Wiki page: http://lostcasts.pbwiki.com/

[JackedupLockedown]

@ Black Fonzie

I'm not sure what I enjoyed more your promotion of my upcoming reading which has raised my excitment even more or your wonderful muppetesque tag.

On the subject of Vonnegut; Have you read Rosewater? and if so, your thoughts?

Please become a frequent guest at the new message board especially in my Oprah book club, also I'd love to discuss Ragtime with you soon, I will be starting it soon as I am on the final 100 pages of Ulysses and next in my queue.

Thanks jg for the plugs and I expect the message board to pick up momentum as soon as the rest of the die hards start getting a little more Lost-sick so to speak. We have not heard from a lot of folks in a week or so.

In the mean time I'll check it each day I get online and hope to start seeing more people around as the summer moves along.

Jackie

[RICKross]

hey guys i just want to thank you for a great cast.

i was wondering if you think that there will be something similar to the lost experience this off-season. i think that it would be awesome if they did. it would most surely past the time til season 4.

also i want to know if anyone else has noticed this. if you think about it have the others ever killed anyone.exept for the merge between the two camps. they almost killed charlie by hanging him but they didnt. they didnt even kill sayid,bernard,and jin in the season finale. i want to konw if i am just having a brainfart or if this is ligit stuff.

great podcast and please reply. till then

Keep Hustlin,RICKross

[Stu]

@ RICKross

Scott was killed (presumably) by Ethan.

[Justin]

Nathan was killed (definitively) by Goodwin.

[RICKross]

thanks i was just being an idiot.....sorry

What about the lost experience thing?

[Black Fonzie]

From the interviews I've read, I would guess no, there won't be another Lost Experience this summer. From their tone when they've spoken about it, they seem to have disliked it (and, in Damon's case in a NY Times interview, the Bad Twin book) and are not inclined to do another. Lostpedia says also that there isn't sponsorship for another one, and that whole game was just one big commercial after another.

I don't want another game--I know a handful of people who liked it, but for me personally, it was too much bloody work (remember when D & C said it could be played by anyone, even non-Lost fans?). I'll watch the show, download podcasts, read blogs, examine screencaps with a magnifying glass, pore over that hatch map and buy the DVDs, but I draw the line at spending hours in front of the computer converting ASCII characters and editing together dozens of snippets of video. I'll just read the Lostpedia summary, thanks. Also, and I think the LC guys have mentioned this, the Lost Experience pretty much explained the mystery of the numbers, an irritating development that has yet to be even touched on in the actual show.

[Black Fonzie]

Oh--also, about Vonnegut. Yes, I've read Rosewater. It was one of my favorites, definitely. Haven't read it in a while, but I remember it as a little slighter than Cat's Cradle, I think, but really interesting for the way it fit into Vonnegut's whole mini-universe (like Diana Moon Glampers, for example, who becomes a pivotal character in Harrison Bergeron). And I'll take a look at the new forum, thanks!

[RICKross]

thanks black fonzie....
i read the lost pedia summary also. it was too much work but with an interesting outcome. i do think it revealed a little to much.

i was also very dissapointed with bad twin
not enough answers for 20 bucks and driving to barnes and noble

[Mike in the Box]

One minute worth of Sawyer using his favorite line...

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1762834/

[I_Love_Sayid...&_Lostcasts]

@ Mike in the box

Thanks! I got into work and spilt a whole quart of water over my desk and computer and said, "Son of a bitch!" Then read the LC comments section to cheer me up. It made my morning. ;)

[frankmorris]

Happy Lost Day...not

Has anyone heard any analysis of the whispers before Walt's appearance? isolated, enhanced, played backwards etc.?

[Mark B]

@frankmorris

All whispers
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts

Specific one you ask about
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts#Locke

"Help me"
"Naomi. I don't know that name"
"I have hell to pay"

[frankmorris]

Thanks

That makes me wonder if Naomi was more than collateral damage, & Locke was instructed to kill her.

[JackedupLockedown]

@ Frank Morris

I have always thought that Locke was instructed to kill Naomi. It seems to me the only way that it fits. After all Locke did not have the wherewithall to kill Anthony Cooper despite how much he deserved it and how much Locke believed he stood to gain by doing so.

Seems awful sloppy that Locke would just kill someone at random after all his character has been through.

Thanks Mark B for the whisper links I forgot about looking for them!

[frankmorris]

@ Jackedup

I see your point about Locke being instructed, it is evident as far back as 'Enter 77' that he knows the dangers of leaving the island. I think a 'good man' who is 'not a murderer' would kill someone if he thought it would save his friends. 'The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few' ( by the way I found out by reading 'Moby Dick' where Kahn got all his great lines, I thought he was just being dramatic).

I can't believe how long we have to wait for answers...oh well 3 weeks down, 30 something to go.

[jg]

Have whispers always accompanied an 'apparition"? .e.g. Yemi, Christian Sheppard...

[JackedupLockedown]

@ Frank Morris

Keeping reading stories like Moby Dick and you'll forget about how long the wait is because you'll be to busy enjoying the stuff your reading. Anything else on your dockett for summer reading?

Also I think we are on the same page about Locke and I'm pretty sure it's the correct page. He did not hesitate to kill Naomi and then gave an obviously empty threat to "kill" Jack which he never it seems intended to do at all.

@jg

Not always but usually either an aparition or the Smoke Monster are along for the whispery ride.

[Mark B]

LOST blogger for the Houston Chronicle is going over the Season 1 episodes.

http://blogs.chron.com/tubular/archives/lost/

Something to follow for the next 35 weeks or so.....

[Amanda]

CNN.com has an article about how LOST will not end like the Sopranos:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/14/television.lost.reut/index.html

[Tahir]

For folks who want season 1 podcasts these guys are doing it.Back to the beginning.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=35516&cmd=tc

Its good to listen to this podcasts knowing what we do now.

I'm not a big talkshoe fan because of the quality of some of the audio but that aside its a good listen.

[frankmorris]

@ Jackedup

I hope it doesn't come to that!

Thank you all for the Lost links, you're helping me hold out before I break down & actually crack a book. :)

[JackedupLockedown]

Off topic Question for the forum

Just seen a rerun of "The Sarah Silverman" program during which she sings a song I am guessing it's titled "I wish". Included in the lyrics is the stanza

"I wish the retarted could all be resmarted"

Is this too offensive, or is it just too damn funny to offend anyone. Again I tend to never be offended by anything having taught high school and college kids, but I couldn;t decide rather to be disgusted or just love it.

Thanks

See you guys around the new forum

lostcastsfans.fpb1.com

[frankmorris]

@ Jackedup

As a teacher you have the right to sing it from the roof tops! :)

[charlies addiction]

Happy Fathers Day
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/Rjl0lJsh4FI/AAAAAAAAE-w/Bf0Ugoy7PNw/s1600-h/cooper.jpg