Countdown to Season 4

Only a few more days until the LOST season 4 premiere! In the meantime, check out this video that reveals the true form of the monster...

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[Tahir]

A hack ?

[musepsycho]

Fun! =D Looking forward to the new season!

[blaerg]

Funny ... NOT

[Matt Lafferty]

John, you sneaky SOB, posting stuff all unexpected like and such!

[Tyler J]

Hilarious! I love Jack's arms when he suggests that they should head back to camp. Yes, I am a fan of Robot Chicken. I'm sorry.

In other news, Hooray Lost!

[lmnop]

ahhhhh only 3 days! can you believe it??

[BOB]

Im masturbating everyday till Lost is back, Thats how excited I am. I also put clear food wrap around my laptop screen and whacked off over the trailer.Yaahooooo

[Tahir]

Mobisode 13 is a killer.Its will warp your mind forever.

Its spoilerish, so beware.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2008/01/lost-mobisode-13-so-it-begins.html

[Kathy aka Fangirl]

Is it Thursday yet? Is it Thursday yet? Is it Thursday yet?

[Tyler J]

BOB: Why? So stupid.

[Mark B]

@Tahir

Thanks for posting the link.

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER based on Mobisode 13 and the reveal at Comic-Con.

I don't see the 'mind warp'. Isn't it just Smokey again ? Or are you thinking the fact there is dialogue indicates something else ? Noting what is said at the end of the conversation -- the same thing is said by Walt to Locke in the S3 finale surely that indicates that Smokey is at work. Or is Walt in the finale really Walt projecting himself and is not Smokey ? Could Walt be on the island ? Could he have been re-taken by the Others ? Is that why Micheal is returning ?

[Megan]

thanks for the link - that was a the best one i think.

and as a side note: does anyone know where there's a good summary of what's been going on at find815.com etc? i haven't had time to keep up with it, but i want to know what's been happning..

thanks, and 2 MORE DAYS!!

[Tahir]

@ Mark B

Ok, I'm 95% certain its smokey but one line has me wondering...

Why would smokey, as Christian, say "I need you to go find MY SON..."
Doesn't that seem really odd ?

@ Megan

http://find815.blogspot.com/

[LT]

Here's a good post from the LA Times re: pending questions for the show.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2008/01/lost-48-pending.html

Enjoy

[BOB]

Christ, I'm nearly wearing the skin off the darn thing at this rate. Bring on Thursday.

[musepsycho]

@ Megan: If you find the DarkUFO site a bit too detailed (there's a lot of nonsense mixed with the useful info) try Lostpedia's summary:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Find815

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[Mark B]

@Tahir,

Yes it does sound odd. Unless we wish to speculate that the island (as Smokey) is refering to Jack as "my son" in the religious way that priests etc. refer to male members of their congregation as "my son".

[Tyler J]

So, peeps... how many deaths in the first 6 episodes? Any guesses? I don't think things are looking to good for Juliette. Just a gut feeling.

[tme]

How many times will Hurley say the word 'dude'? How hot will kate look? And finally will sawyer have new nicknames for people? All this and more will be answered soon.

[elle]

OMG!!! Wed. night's ep. is ghey. Is it LOST night for retards??? Who the crap thought these were good little notes across the bottom of the screen??? Stoopid.

[Matt Lafferty]

Now, the Matt Lafferty doesn't care for the swear words; furthermore, I'm a teacher and not one to bandy about words, so what I'm about to say comes from an angry, angry place:

THE ANNOTATED FINALE EPISODE AIRING WEDNESDAY NIGHT IS TRULY A SHITTY "LOST FOR RETARDS!" I mean, it says things like "This is a flash foward that takes place after the crash" and "Jack is in dispair" and "Looks like a bumpy plane ride... but Jack is not worried." YEAH, I KNOW: I CAN SEE MATTHEW FOX ACTING!

I started watching the episode on TiVo at 9:24; I've typed this paragraph and shut the stupid, stupid, stupid episode off. I mean, great episode, but I can't watch if if they're going to say things like "Tom is holding a gun. A gun is a weapon that fires small pieces of metal."

I'll (hopefully) feel better tomorrow.

[tme]

How many times will Hurley say the word 'dude'? How hot will kate look? And finally will sawyer have new nicknames for people? All this and more will be answered soon.

[Megan]

Haha Matt I completely agree. I had to change the channel. They were truly idiotic comments.

[Chris in Fort Worth]

I for one was pleased with the notes as it eases the tedious task of explaining things to my mother and grandmother(both casual viewers, but Lost fans none the less). Not everyone is as obsessed with Lost as we are, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed the opportunity to understand/enjoy Lost.

Peace.

[JuJu]

has anybody outside the US figured out a way to watch the streaming episodes form the abc website? i tried a few different proxies but no good.
thanks peoples

[Tyler J]

Christian and Vincent, WTF?!?!?

[Mark B]

I agree the "enhanced" episode was bad. For the first time I fell asleep during LOST. The episode description did say it was enhanced with notes to get new viewers up to speed so really what did people expect ? TPTB were never going to give away secrets or pick over the tiny details and LOST obsessed fans like ourselves should not except that.

I bet there were people who regularly watch LOST but do not follow it on the internet so did not know about the HOFFS-DRAWLER = flash forward anagram. That is who last nights show was aimed at.

If you didn't like last nights episode I'd not recommend tonights clip show. I'll watch it but it'll be another one to capture new viewers. But get real people no-one is going to start watching LOST now. Best they can hope for is to get back viewers who stopped watching during the mini-season at the start of S3.

[Tahir]

Just finished find815 - Nice little reveal at the end but was expecting a little more.
Nonetheless, good fun.I'm glad I did it having not done the first arg.

The final video of find815 is on Darkufo if you want to see it.

[Matt Lafferty]

Chris,

I agree that not everyone is as nerdy as the rest of us... but that said, is it even fair to show the opening scene (bearded Jack on the plane) and say "THIS IS A FLASHFOWARD"? I just imagine that everyone connected with the integrity of the show (producers, writers, actors) was just like "Dude, ABC, whatever. We're out of work and the residual check for this rerun is signed Disney, Inc."

[Chris in Fort Worth]

Ok, I didn't see the beginning and did not know they revealed the flash forward right off the bat...lame. Of course, I still had to explain what happened to the Mom and Grandmother, not sure why they even like the show because I consistently find myself having to summarize what has just happened. Oh well, it's 5 minutes till the premiere and I am giddy with anticipation. I can't believe I'm so enthralled with a television show!

Peace.

[BOB]

Oh god 1 minute to go. I'm cumming, I'm cumming. I cant edge any longer.

[Matt Lafferty]

Woo hoo, first one to post after the episode! Loved it... great Hurly flashforward, and it apparently takes place before Jack's. Good, tight episode, not a lot of mythology, but the start of a great ride!!

[alex's slingshot]

So who are the other 3 of the "Oceanic 6"?

And if Hurley went with Team Locke, but still made it off the island with Kate & Jack, than those on island divisions don't necessarily mean only Team Jack got saved.

I was glad to see a Charlie cameo... I miss him already.

I heart Lance Reddick and Jeremy Davies and canNOT wait to see what's in store for their characters.

I wish Sayid would get more screen time.

But I can definitely tell the producers are taking advantage of knowing the end date. Not much filler, great pacing, touched on a lot of stuff (whispers, Jacob, boat people, flash forward, Charlie, Jack v. Locke, Rousseau v. Ben, Hurley's mental institution, Lost connections: that cop knowing Ana Lucia) although I missed Smokey this episode.

I can't wait til Michael reappear!

LOST is back and feels so good! I'm so pumped! I forgot how it felt to have new Lost episodes in my life, but now I wonder how I ever did without.

Only 7 left guys... so sad

[Chris in Fort Worth]

Agreed Matt.

So...Hurley is delusional, but obviously saw Jacob's shack and Jacob in his lovely rocking chair and then I assume Locke's eye. Has Locke been enjoying further conversations with Jacob?

It's clear the Oceanic 6's lies include a significant betrayal of some of their fellow Losties. Who are the other three? Where were Michael and Walt? Is the Oceanic attorney real? (yeah for cool casting of the guy from the Wire!)

Interesting to see Jack off the island but not yet consumed with guilt and suicidal...looks like Hurley beat him to the punch in recognizing the need to return to the Island.

Peace.

[alex's slingshot]

Oh FYI if anyone wants to know who the Oceanic 6 are, I believe it's common spoiler knowledge, so I'm sure you can find out. I did, but I won't share here. Don't want to spoil it for others

[alex's slingshot]

I think it was Christian Shepard in Jacob's chair. John Terry was credited as a guest star in this episode. Plus if you pause it, the man is wearing tennis shoes and a suit. If you saw the last missing piece, you know Vincent finds Christian in the woods wearing that same outfit...

[Johan]

That show ROCKED!

Comments: The guy looking back out at Hurley from the shack where Jacob was, I thought was the guy with the eye patch, the one who blew up the Looking Glass.

Hurley's flash forward seemed to be, before Jack's...if that's true, who's the guy who's funeral Jack mentioned going to, to Kate? Was it Hurley's? Or was it already mentioned who it was for, sorry, I don't remember.

Who's Namomi's sister? Why did Namomi protect Locke/Kate/etc. especially if they weren't there to rescue them anyways.

I'm going back to watch this for a second time.

Peace out my bitches!
-Johan

[Radzinsky]

A number of pieces of the puzzle are falling into place. Don't know if everyone saw or is thinking this, but I'm reasoning it out right now. I'll type more later, but at the moment, let's call it:

"The Jacob-Locke-Smokey-Christian Shepard-Yemi-Walt-Vincent Theory"

Great episode... let's discuss.

~Radzinsky

[Mark B]

The guy in Jacobs chair was clearly Christian Shepherd. Not sure what that meant. Smokey again. But why would Jacob appear as Christian to Hurley ? Has Hurley ever met him .... I don't think so. Did Locke see Christian too ? Is Smokey just appearing as Christian as he's body is on the island ? Clearly Smokey can appear as people who have never been to the isalnd (Bens Mum) but is that what made Ben special ?

I don't know who the '6' are but clearly the division into two teams is not the deciding factor. Who are the other three ? Clare should be one as Des saw her getting on the helicopter.

Liked Charlie.

Looked like Jack was on his way to meltdown -- vodka in the OJ.

Hurley thinks the same as mad Jack -- they should have gone back. Why does Kate think different ? Why is she so together ?

Who is the spooky black dude who claims to work for Oceanic ?

Did anyone else notice the "Swan Station like" drawings on the chalk board behind Hurley when he was talking to the Oceanic guy ? A sun, a palm tre, a shark ....

I need to watch it again.

[Jason]

I've had this theory for a LONG time, and tonight's episode just reinforced it: Kate knows WAY more than she's letting on - to the point that I'm thinking that meeting with Ben back on the beach put her in cahoots with him. She's always appeared suspicious to me (unfortunately the huge break in time has withered my ability to recall specifics from past episodes in detail), and there have always been hints there's more to her than we know. Why did she run off with the phone tonight? Could Ben have prompted that?

What if the "he'll be wondering where I am?" line from last year's finale was a reference to Ben and it's Sawyer who was in that coffin? Her response of "why would I go to the funeral?" certainly would make sense. It would also answer the question of why she doesn't seem affected like Jack and Hurley...

[Chris]

Did a comparative look at Locke's eye and the man in the window's eye. I circled key similarities that I saw. eyebrow, crow's feet, and wrinkle above nose. What do you think?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5945/lockeproofyf2.jpg

[Chris in Fort Worth]

Chris, I don't know man, that screencap looks an awful lot like Jack to me, not sure why, just does.

I'd like a screencap of Jacob/Christian, I didn't make that connection.

Peace.

[jeffinthe9]

Wow, that was a great start...but a few questions.
Jacob is Jacks dad? http://bp2.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/R6KepKLiPEI/AAAAAAAAAQU/B5x9-faA0pc/s1600-h/mr.shephard2.jpg

Theres a good screen shot of that...odd.

What was the guys name in the Psych ward that was "from oceanic air" Matthew something? I think that name is so odd, it might be something.

"They need you" on charlie's hand when Hugo was in jail.. who needs him? Why only 6 people off the island.. Claire, Jake, Kate, Hugo, ??, ??. One of the ?? is dead and the funeral was about him/her, so whos the last one that gets off?

[jeffinthe9]

FYI this site is great for screen shots
http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

Why would Naomi lie about the tree branch? She fears the island or the people there and doenst want her people tocome there with guns blazing. So many questions about this, but one thing is clear, this is a fast forward, but before crazy jack since he doesnt have a beard yet, and is thinking about gettin one.

[nik]

loved it!
my family was complaining that no questions had been answered, but I think they needed the first episode to create excitement (for new viewers, as I think there will be quite a few, due to the writer's strike). How fun would it be if we got answers right away anyway?! not very.

overall, I thought this episode was a great start to the season. Although, hour long recap was AWFUL, not even talking about Walt & Michael, Eko and the whole Nigeria thing, they hardly touched on Smokey ...Lost in 8 minutes and 15 seconds was way better than that whole hour!

PS Naomi's sister = Nadia?

[Radzinsky]

So I'd like to offer a pretty broad theory about the Smoke Monster, Jacob and the Island based primarily on tonight's episode and two of the Missing Pieces mobisodes -- Room 23 (about Walt) and So It Begins (about Christian Shepard). As I wrote above, I'd tenatively call it:

THE JACOB-LOCKE-SMOKEY-CHRISTIAN-EKO-YEMI-WALT-VINCENT-WHISPERS THEORY

I'll try to establish each of these connections solidly and then wrap it all together.

(1) SMOKEY-YEMI-EKO: this one isn't too hard. We know that Smokey "photographed" Eko's memories, and that each time Yemi appeared the Smokey sounds followed close behind. Presumably, it was Smokey's imprint of Eko's memory that fueled the reanimated Yemi on the Island.

(2) CHRISTIAN-YEMI-SMOKEY: Yemi's body was missing from the biplane when Eko looked for it because it had been animated or otherwise occupied by Smokey. Similarly, Christian Shepard's body was missing from his coffin when Jack went looking for it. Both dead bodies were seen strolling the Island. Smokey was behind them both.

(3) CHRISTIAN-JACOB: and tonight we see Christian Shepard seated in the same rocking chair that we previously saw Jacob seated in, wearing the very same outfit that he was wearing in the coffin and walking around the Island in -- a suit and tennis shoes. What is the body of Christian doing in the shack?

(4) LOCKE-SMOKEY: Smokey has long taken an interest in Locke. In the fourth episode of the show, when Locke was hunting boar, he was confronted by Smokey and he saw something "beautiful." (I believe that this is one of the most important moments in the show) Eko, of course, saw the opposite when he communicated with Smokey. Smokey also attempted to drag Locke into one of its holes in the ground, or Cerberus Vents, as they are called on the Blast Door Map, and Locke seemed to be OK with it.

(5) LOCKE-JACOB: Locke can see Jacob, Locke can hear him, and Jacob clearly wants Locke to "help him," as he asked in the shack.

(6) WALT-CHRISTIAN: both say that people have "work to do" -- this isn't unintentional. Walt saves Locke in the mass grave and tells Locke he has "work to do," and in the latest mobisode, Christian (Smokey) says aloud that Jack has "work do to."

(7) WALT-CHRISTIAN-VINCENT: Both Walt and Christian also appear to be able to communicate with animals. Christian gives Vincent instructions to go find Jack in the mobisode, Walt always has a conncetion to Vincent. Further, Walt can draw birds to him as was seen in his backstory and his mobisode.

(8) WALT-SMOKEY-JACOB: in Walt's mobisode, Ben reveals that Jacob specifically asked for Walt. Why? How? They both seem to have some type of telepathy, Walt's evidenced in his ability to appear in the minds of people (Shannon, Sayid, Locke) or his bird-thing, while Smokey reads/flashes people's memories (Eko, Juliet, Jack?), and at least when it's in the form of Christian Shepard, can communicate with Vincent. Jacob clearly speaks to people's minds, as was shown with Locke, Ben and perhaps even Hurley tonight. Further, there is now a clear connection between the reanimated Christian and Jacob.

(9) THE ISLAND WHISPERS-JACOB: after reading transcripts of the whispers (easily found on Lostpedia or elsewhere), I previously noted a few things. First, they appear to be thought-communications between the Others, telepathic words in Ben's head. This squares perfectly with the way Jacob has communicated, in Locke's head and in Ben's head. Second, some of the whispers, particularly from the pilot episodes, were undoubtedly from the polar bear that was running down Sawyer while he was shooting at it ("Your bullets can't stop me, etc."). This fits neatly with Smokey-Christian's ability to communicate with Vincent via thoughts and Walt's ability to communicate with Vincent or birds via thoughts.

PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER: What I'm proposing is that Jacob and the Smoke Monster are either the same entity or inextricably linked, and that they share strong telepathy. Jacob has directed the Smoke Monster to animate the corpses of Christian Shepard and Yemi and to read Jack and Eko's memories in the process. Jacob has chosen Locke as his avatar and he has sent Smokey to both greet him and to try and bring Locke towards him. Jacob speaks directly to people's minds -- some of the Others, certainly Ben and Locke, and, through the corpse of Christian Shepard, Vincent the golden retriever as well. Jacob immediately sensed that Walt was on the Island, he ordered Ben and the Others to retrieve him, and now Walt is also acting in Jacob's interest -- by appearing at the mass grave to wake Locke and to tell him that he had "work do to" -- no coincidence that those are the words that Christian Shepard deliberately uses when he wakes Jack at the beginning of our entire epic.

If anyone has read this far, I appreciate it and I look forward to chatting with you. This was a spectacular episode of Lost and I'm totally psyched for the season. Can't wait to discuss this theory and others this week, or to hear our LOSTCASTERS discuss this on the podcast.

~Radzinsky

[Sphere]

I still think the Smoke monster is some kind of a machine, like if it were Jacob's robot, dog or something like that. Jacob would be physically unable to walk, talk, etc, he "constructed", "adapted" the smoke monster to build his island-cult, or to project his sientific/AI genius onto others/the others.

Maybe Jacob is the next generation of humans, like the singularity is sci-fi theories. THe Uber-mensche in Nietzsche's philosophy. The Monster is just his way to teatch "the path" to a higher way of life for ordinary human beings. Mr. Eko failed, he died. Locke is the new apprentice, Ben is the failed experiment, that why he told Locke: "help me".

[waitingforlost]

Couple of things I've been thinking about .....

1. Jack actually shot Locke. The gun just wasn't loaded but Jack pulled the trigger.
2. Charlie was seen by the othert patient -- what's up with that ?
3. The eye in the cabin window -- I assumed it was Locke but I've heard other people say it was Jacob, meaning Christian-in-the-chair was not Jacob but Smokey. Hurley wasn't seeing Jacob but seeing Smokey.

I'm confused.

I heard a rumour that if the strike ends in the next two weeks we may get the full season as the tv networks are considering extending the tv season to the end of June.

[bill]

I was thinking the same thing about the patient seeing Charlie as well (Lostpedia says it's Lewis. What if there is a blurred line between reality and Charlie's appearance. Then, the flash-forwards are being played out their heads and they truly haven't left.

[Radzinsky]

@ Sphere

Agree that Smokey may be some kind of machine, but after seeing Christian Shepard in Jacob's cabin tonight, along with the other connections I outlined above, I think at the very least that Jacob exercises some control over it.

One thought to throw out there is that Jacob may be trapped (by Ben perhaps?). Recall the powder line that seemed to encircle Jacob's shack in the season finale. Looked like gunpowder. We nerds are familiar with the "mystical lines" or pentagrams that folks like Dr. Strange draw around certain creatures to keep them trapped. Jacob is in a similar situation? And he uses Smokey to extend his reach?

I'm not as into that idea as I am confident that Smokey and Jacob have some firm link. Both are telepathic entities, and they have had aligned "interests" throughout the show. The connections between Jacob-Smokey-Walt also can't be ignored now.

@ bill

Don't actually think that the flash forwards are being played out in people's heads. Certainly, Hurley is prone to having visions, and I think who was real and who wasn't real are legitimate questions from last night's episode. Charlie? Probably a vision (like Dave). Abbadon? Not sure. He has an awfully demonic nickname for someone who's supposed to be real. Abbadon was announced to Hurley by the nurse, making us think he was actually there. But Charlie was announced to Hurley by another patient -- likely not real. Tough to know what Hurley's seeing and what he isn't.

@ John, Rob & Matt

You guys broadcasting from anywhere around the NY area? How often to you post? I'm a long-time poster here but a first time listener -- great podcast. Gets me through a workout.

[Lexi]

With my HD DVR, I'm 99% sure that Jacod is Christian Shepard

[KB]

My 2 cents-

I think Locke asked Jacob to help him with gathering people for his camp. Obviously noone would have gone with Locke had Hurley not made the speech. And reall, Hurley wouldn't have made the speech without seeing Jacob and then talking to Locke. Also, I think the reason he saw Christian is that Hurley had met him in a flashback we haven't seen. Then again, Locke saw Yemi, who he hadn't met.

Love the podcast, keep up the good work!

[Radzinsky]

@ Lexi

I think it's important to note that there were TWO people/figures in Jacob's shack last night. First, there was Christian Shepard, dressed in his funeral clothes and tennis shoes, sitting in Jacob's chair. Second, there was the individual who popped up in front of the window with the wide open BROWN eye.

Why so important that it was a brown eye? It can't belong to Locke or Christian Shepard, I believe. For my money, the eye has always looked a lot like Desmond's, though I wouldn't take the connection any further than that. I think we haven't actually met Jacob yet.

Christian Shepard and Jacob are not the same person. My bet is that Jacob (and Smokey) are responsible for Christian Shepard's reanimation on the Island.

@ Everyone

And this poses a different question: we know that Jacob/Smokey has been interested in Locke for the duration -- but is Jacob/Smokey similarly interested in Jack? What are we to make of Christian Shepard, presumably at the direction of Jacob/Smokey, asking Vincent to wake up his son and stating that Jack has "work to do" in the "So it begins" mobisode? And how does that parallel Walt's last statement to Locke in the Dharma mass grave? Walt said that Locke also had "work to do."

Do Walt and Jacob speak as well? We know from the "Room 23" mobisode that Jacob specifically asked Ben for Walt -- and Walt and Jacob clearly share some superhuman abilities, likely telepathic. Did Jacob reach out to Locke in the mass grave through Walt? Does that mean that Jacob/Smokey/Walt is telling both Jack and Locke that they have "work do to"? Is it the same work? Is it different work? Why would the "man of science" and the "man of faith," two men who are increasingly becoming polar opposites and leaders of opposing factions on the Island, both be so important to Jacob? Does Jacob want them to fight, does he need the conflict somehow?

I'm intrigued.

[Lexi]

When I paused at the eye, it looked a lot Mihkail. But it could be Desmond.

To take your theory a bit further, with reference to Jacob and Walt, it could be that Jacob manifested himself as Walt, since Locke and Walt had a special relationship.

Also, why would Jacob reveal himself to Hurley as Christian Shepard? Hurley wouldn't know him, or hasn't been connected to him as far as we know.

[Radzinsky]

@ Lexi

I'm not sure that Jacob particularly "revealed" himself as Christian Shepard during Hurley's visit. I think Christian's body essentially belongs to Jacob/Smokey now -- he obtained it from the coffin, reanimated it, and is responsible for its appearances around the Island. Same as Yemi.

As food for thought, we might note that if it's only "special" people who can connect with Jacob, Hurley has certainly exhibited some special abilities that might put him in the camp of people that can interact with Jacob. Let's not forget Hurley's uncanny luck (crossing the rope bridge, not being shot by Rousseau, playing Horse with Jack), or the fact that he got a decades-old VW wagon to run on the Island (through force of mind?).

[Mark B]

OK after the S3 finale we were all saying that Ben took Locke to the cabin to find out if Locke could see/hear Jacob.

The assumption was that if Locke could see or hear Jacob then Locke was "the special one". Locke heard and maybe saw Jacob therefore Locke is the special one.

Now Hurley goes to the cabin and sees Christian in the chair. He also sees an eye at the window.

Did Hurley see Jacob ?

I assumed the eye was Lockes and Christian was some manifestation of Jacob so in that scenario yes Hurley did see Jacob.

If the eye is Jacobs and Christian is Smokey then Hurely still saw Jacob.

So Hurley is also "the special one" ?

Only way Hurley did not see Jacob is the eye is Lockes and Christian is Smokey but then where's Jacob ?

Anyone seen any screen caps showing the S3 finale eye compared to the S4 new eye and Lockes eye. In the link someone sent above of Locke and the S4 new eye the new eye looks brown. As I recall the S3 finale eye was also brown. Locke has blue eyes. However lighting can make things appear darker than they are.

[Tahir]

Great opener.

I wonder what causes Jack to be all messed up further down the line.he seems ok'ish in this episode.
Maybe, at this point, he doesn't know Claire is his sister - could knowing push him over the edge ?

Not quite sure what to make of 'The Shack' Hurley saw, seing that it was all in his mind.

As for Charlie still being alive - well, the other guy saw him too.

Also great to see Lance Reddick in this.I always liked him in The Wire.Hope we see a lot more of him.

[Radzinsky]

@ Mark B

Isn't it possible that the eye we see in the S3 finale is Jacob's -- and we just haven't met Jacob yet?

Why does Hurley have to have seen either Jacob or Christian Shepard? Couldn't he have seen both? First, he sees Christian/Smokey, then Jacob pops up?

And I also don't believe there's only one "special one" who can communicate with Jacob. Clearly, in the S3 finale, Jacob speaks to Locke and he also shoves Ben back against the wall. Presumably, Jacob can also communicate with Walt. Why not include Hurley in that fraternity?

Locke's status as Jacob's "avatar" doesn't necessarily have to do with his ability to hear or see Jacob, though that's obviously important. I believe that when Smokey/Jacob first encounters Locke in episode 4 of S1, he/it reads enough of Locke's mind to know that Locke is exactly the kind of person that the Island needs.

[KB]

@Radzinksy

I see- kind of like an operator. Past theories always talk about Locke having some kind of motivation, and how things he does (blowing up the sub) always seem to fit right in.

[Mark B]

@Radz

You missed my point. I think Hurley has seen Jacob. The only way he couldn't have is if the eye we saw in S4 is Lockes (but Locke has blue eyes and the eye is brown) and Christian inthe cabin is just Smokey. I think the S3 and S4 eye are the same but have yet to find a screen cap to 'prove' that.

The reason people are saying the eye is Lockes is because Locke finds Hurley shortly after Hurely runs away. I don't think Locke was in the cabin when Hurley found it. Smokey (as Christian) and Jacob (as ... well all we've seen is an eye) were the only 'people' in the cabin.

However if Jacob is trapped in the chair then whatever we saw as Christian is Jacob and Locke was the other person in the cabin !

I'm confused.

[Radzinsky]

@ Mark B

I misunderstood you. We're in agreement. I think there were two "people" in the cabin, Jacob and Christian/Smokey. I think Locke was nearby and (purposefully?) ran into Hurley. I agree that a S3/S4 eye-screencap-comparison would be useful, but I think we're going to see the same small-ish brown eye. I remember remarking about both S3 and S4 that the eye looked like Desmond's, even though I don't think it's his (unless Jacob is Desmond trapped in time somehow, which would be a total mindf&@k).

I don't actually think that Jacob is trapped in the chair, but I do think he's trapped behind that gunpowder line in the jungle. Perhaps by Ben. I don't think that Jacob and Ben have the greatest relationship at the moment.

[Radzinsky]

Here's a screencap comparison of the S3 and S4 eyes:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/R6KXy3XEgXI/AAAAAAAACA8/cc_K-J-AafM/s1600-h/jacob-4x01.gif

Look the same to me.

[Chris In Oly]

The eye people in the shack appeared to be Christian Sheppard in the rocking chair (there are screen caps on Dark UFO that confirm this pretty well) and I thought the other eye was Charlie.

I think if you die and have some connection to the island, then Jacob or Smokey can kinda' pull you back for a while.

So when Charlie was running around in California, he had been pulled out of the afterlife for a mission. Explains his good hair.

To me, we have seem the dead people appear: Eko's brother, Christian Sheppard

We have seen people we don't know if they were dead or not: The Real Sawyer, Walt

Does the interdimensional shack on the island trap souls?

CHRIS

[Vaibhav]

I am confused.

[Mark B]

@Radz -- I'm with you, well found on the screen caps.

@waitingforlost - you're right Jack did 'shoot' Locke.

If the gun had been loaded Jack would have killed Locke. When did Locke unload the gun ? It was loaded in the S3 finale when Locke shot at the phone and we had the stand-off. Locke could not shoot Jack but Jack sure as hell would have shot Locke. Why did Locke unload the gun ? Did Locke know Jack was going to shoot him ?

Can Locke see the future ? He was pretty close failsafe key being turned -- Des sees(saw)flashes can Locke ? Has Locke been having flash-forwards ? Is that how he knows that the people coming are bad and the Losties should stay on the island.

[Tyler J]

I am sure that was at the very least Christian Shepard's body sitting in
Jacob's chair. So cool.

Anyone else notice the similarities between the drawings on the chalkboard
in the mental institution and the mural in the Swan Hatch?

[Jason]

Something else I noticed on rewatching today (a benefit of being home sick, I guess) -- in the early interrogation scene, on the wall between Ana Lucia's partner are the words "NO SMOKING" but it's framed in such a way TWICE so that all we see is "NO SMOKI." That can't be a coincidence...

[Chris in Fort Worth]

Great ideas everyone.

To me, we're seeing the further seperation of the mythology arc vs the more conventional human arc. It seems failry obvious the lies the 6 are referring to revolve around the 'fact' flight 815 was found with no survivors per Naomi and the further 'fact' the plane was found on the ocean floor by Sam in Find815. The conclusion drawn here is the 6 were sworn to secrecy about the nature of the crash and the mere existence of the island in exchange for a return to society. Obviously, the guilt of abandoning the rest of the Losties and lying about the circumstances of their survival could be the reason for Jack's downward spiral and Hurley's delusions. Perhaps the guilt eventually will catch up to Kate as well, or the fact her past crimes have been forgiven is enough to keep her from really caring (that, or she is truly a cold-hearted b).

This has been discussed before, it's just really coming together for me now. The questions about Jacob, the island and it's powers won't be answered for a very long time imo.

In any case, great stuff and I'm completely enthralled again!

Peace.

[Unofficial Brian]

@Radz-

I really like this idea of Smokey somehow flying into bodies and re-animating them. Not making them "alive"... just moving. Its actually a logical (well, not logical... more like "lost-ical") theory that ties together several of the many loose ends out there.

which unfortunately means it's probably nowhere near what they will give us. But still, I like the idea.

But how would the natives/hostiles/others play in to this? Does Ben know about smokey? Maybe thats why they have funerals viking style... no body for somkey to take over. Hmmmm....

[Courtney]

Hey! So excited that LOST is back!!!! Sorry, if anyone has posted this - I just kinda skimmed through the comments, but did anyone else notice that "King of the Castle" mobisode, when Jack is talking about getting off the island and says he "never" wants to come back, Ben says "never say never"? This is almost the same conversation that Jack and Hurley have in the Season 4 opener - only it's Hurley who shouts "never say never". Any thoughts???

[Radzinsky]

@ Unofficial Brian

Thanks, man. Smokey reanimating bodies is the part that I'm sort of confident on. Given what we know about the final resting places of Christian Shepard's body and Yemi's body, I think we're on solid ground here. Also, any time that Smokey appears, listen for the telltale receipt-printing sound. That's a dead giveaway for when Smokey's milling about. It always happened when Yemi appeared.

A more interesting question, I think, is why Smokey -- and by extension Jacob -- was so interested in Eko? We know why he wanted Locke and we can guess why he was interested in Jack -- but Eko is interesting, isn't he? Was Jacob "judging" him, as Yemi kept asking? Was Jacob interested in knowing whether Eko would eventually be on his side or against him?

New freighter theory: DHARMA'S REVENGE

Here's another thought that my Dad came up with over email today (yes, I made Papa Radz watch all three seasons, now he's caught up and asking questions)... he thinks that a vengeful Dharma initiative is back and they want to retake the Island. I thought about it for a minute. Not a bad idea, right? What do we know from the Lost Experience? The Hanso Foundation started out funding Dharma, but they backed off, presumably after one of the "incidents," and then someone else took over -- Charles Widmore, who among other things, has an Island mural in his office, with a Buddha, polar bear and "Namaste" on it. What if the freighter off the coast of the Island is not only "not Penny's boat," but it is, in fact, her daddy's boat? They're coming back to kick the a$$es of the Others who purged them a decade or so ago? And they're going to exploit the secrets of the Island that they were aimed at originally?

Not a huge fan of this idea, but I thought I'd put it out there for general consumption.

[waitingforlost]

Have to say if they go down the Smokey makes zombies road I'll be seriously disappointed. Given all the season seven jokes in the official podcast it can't be that close to the truth.

I hope the road they take is that Smokey reads people and takes an important people from the person and turns into them. Maybe to get the person involved. For Jack that's his Dad, for Hurely it's Dave, for Eko it's Yemi, for Ben his Mum (but his Mum from the photo, probably the only way Ben has seen his Mum). Remember Bens Mum was on the island but her body never was.

I like the idea Dharmas Revenge idea. I think I heard this a while ago somewhere else.

[LostFanUK]

Great episode, it really has set us up for a great season. I have a few thoughts:

The 'Oceanic 6' are Kate, Jack, Hurley, Claire, Aaron and Locke. I think Aaron because Claire is unlikely to leave her baby behind and Desmond saw her board a helicopter in his vision. Also Aaron and claire are special because they didnt die in childbirth like the other women/babies on the island. I think locke is the 6th because he is also special to the island. I think he is the dead person whose funeral jack attends (makes sense as nobody else goes, locke is a loner). What i'm getting at here is that the people allowed off the island are all those deemed special by the island. (even if we havent seen much evidence of all of them yet, ie Hurley/ Kate) Do the people on the boat want to interfere with the islands work? this is why jacob/smokey asks locke to help him and why Christian S/ Walt (smokey?) say Jack and Locke have 'work to do' (ie to counter the coming threat of the boaties). It might also explain 'Charlie' appearing to tell Hurley he has to go back? Hurley seems pretty special (gets car to work, is on the others list (a list from jacob?), as are kate and jack, he has visions, etc. Im not sure about Kate but i think there is alot we dont know about her. What do you all think? I know my ramblings are confusing but its all so mind boggling! i love lost! love the podcast

LostFanUK

[LostFanUK]

oops, just realised claire didnt conceive on the island so that kinda blows that one up. lol

[LostFanUK]

But maybe Claire/Aaron are still important in some way, espceially due to their relation to Jack/Christian so i guess it could still stand? I should maybe think before writing but just thought id put this stuff out there!

[Chris In Oly]

I think two good candidates for the Oceanic 6 are Sun and Jin, since she ahs to get off the island or she dies during child birth.

It also seems like a good reason to get an agreement out of Jack and Hurley and Kate - agree to leave the island and lie about it so Sun and Jin can leave also.

Since Desmond saw Claire on a 'copter, it may still happen or Desmond may try to change fate again for the better...

[LostFanUK]

I definetely think there is a big conspiracy going on. Any 'company' that has the power/money to find the island and get a boat to it and then get people off with a good cover story whilst keeping a close eye on the '6' once they are free (the dude who went to see hurley in the institute) surely has to be pretty powerful/rich. That might explain naomi's high tech phone? Perhaps Oceanic airways is a wing of this company/organisation. We talked alot about corporate battles (Dharma, Hanso, etc) in the past. I still think there is a big 'battle' going on between some pretty shady groups over the obviously important island.

[Loui]

Not convinced that who was in the chair, or who's eye it was has any real meaning. (Anyway, it looked like hurley's eye to me, also check out the massive hair that comes into shot just before we see the eye. That's some big hair). In this interview with Jorge Garcia he mentions that they shot the scene first with Hurley in the chair:

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=484ef4ea-19b1-4e42-ae78-d57998c34318

[waitingforlost]

@Loui

And in the same interview Jorge says that he thinks filming him in the chair was a fake-out by the producers so nobody knew who was in the chair.

If that scene had no meaning then I'll eat my hat. It was so LOST it has to mean something.

[Dusty]

Didn't they say they would be back the day after the premiere with a new podcast?

[Sphere]

"The Oceanic Six"...Why did Jack, Kate, Hurley, Claire (& the baby? If Claire was in the chopper, the baby must be the 5th one) all lied about the survivors?

My hunch is that the remaining did want to stay on the Island forever, for reasons we do not know. The "oceanic 6" must be those who "had to" lie to protect themselves from embarassing questions (Ana Lucia, LA Detective, died how? Michael? Where is he? pact? "others"? Wait a minute..."

Ben: "Jack, if you make that call, this will be the beginning of the end"...indeed.

@LostFanUK, yeah, maybe the Oceanic 6 are the special guys...

[Sphere]

@LostfanUK, you're right, Claire should not be on the helicopter, if only the "specials" are supposed to leave. We'll see.

One thing: If Desmond is still on the Island (or even if he is dead, but not confirmed dead to the outside world), most certainly Penelope (with lots of resources) is still looking for him.

See, according to Naomi, all passagers of the 815 were found dead, still Penelope was still looking for Desmond when she talked with Charlie on the station.

So I think Penelope is the one suspicious of the Oceanic 6 story, and maybe send the "lawyer" (Matthew Abbadon) to visit Hurley. She is really suspicious of any "deal" made between the "oceanic 6" losties and maybe her father, or worse.

[Sphere]

Humm, Matthew Abbadon is an anagram for:

What Bad Boat Men (?)

Or

What Boat, Bad Men (?)

Maybe Penelope referece for "boat"? She will most certainly recall every last detail of her conversations with Charlie, when she said: "boat? what boat?"

And she will also be suspicious if the "Oceanic 6" simply say to the media: yeah, Charlie died on the crash, never met Desmond, etc. Penelope will question that: at least one other survivor knew about Desmonds, knew who SHE was, etc. If the guy with whom she spoke to is not on the "oceanic 6" group, then why they never mentioned him, or the place where he was receiving the call, etc.

Hummm, I think Penelope should play a major role in this season...

[Abbadon Chess Board]

One small detail to point out. When Hurley sits down with Matthew Abaddon, the chess board between them is clearly white on Abaddon's side, black on Hurley's. When Abaddon leaves the room the pieces have all been moved.

Two sides. White and Black.

[Chris in Fort Worth]

@ Sphere

That's awesome! Penelope is definitely a major player now that she knows a.) a survivor of 815 is alive and b.) this survivor is in contact with Desmond who had nothing to do with 815. Could he be one of the 6? Did he and Penelope make a deal with her father to help find and control the island in exchange for rescue and possibly even his consent for them to be together? Maybe we'll see a flashfoward of Desmond and he's with Penelope but they're having problems because of their guilt at having betrayed their friends.

Peace.

[Mickey]

First time poster, long time listener:

First off, the premiere was great. The flash forward device is bringing a new level of intrigue to the episodes that I felt was sometimes lacking in the flash backs.

My first question: The mobisodes are probably to be considered canon, but to what degree? I'm concerned that certain elements (i.e. Christian talking to Vincent or Juliet's envelope) are relatively important to the story arc, but how those events will be addressed during the show proper remains to be seen.

Regarding the "Hurley sees Jacob" incident: I think Jacob must have some sense of what's going to happen to our Losties, hence he revealed himself and his cabin to Hurley. "So it Begins" seems to infer that Jacob has either an immediate and intimate knowledge (or more likely, prescience) about who survived the crash. Since he can extend his influence off-island (curing Juliet's sister's cancer, communicating with Hurley via Charlie) he knows about the Oceanic Six well before those events occur in real time. I'm not suggesting Jacob is Desmond (Nor is he Locke. I think Jacob is Jacob and not a version of a character we already know.) but they probably share a similar ability.

Stay lost.

[Tahir]

Its just occured to me how clever the writers have been.

Its ALL new questions and mysteries now - even reading through this section of the board you can see that.I'm not saying its a bad thing though.

Tabula rasa..A clean slate ?

[pascale]

One thing that was brought up on DarkUFO ... After Hurley has his talk with Matthew Abbaddon he gets up, freaks out, and then his face changes. He watches the door as Abbaddon leaves and it is a shadow of black smoke. I watched it several times - and it is definiely Smokey going out the door. So either Smokey was Abbaddon, Smokey is following Abbaddon, or it is another Hurley hallucination.

[Chris]

Did a comparative look at Locke's eye and the man in the window's eye. I circled key similarities that I saw. eyebrow, crow's feet, and wrinkle above nose. What do you think?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5945/lockeproofyf2.jpg

[Megan]

I think the most important clue to what's going to happen on the island comes from what Hurley said to Jack in the institution:

For some reason, Hurley both thinks that going with Locke instead of Jack was a bad decision, AND that leaving the island was a bad decision. The fact that he thinks these two things simultaneously is very telling of what happened on the island before they left, although I have no idea what it means. I just think it's an odd pair of things to think, since Locke wanted to stay on the island and Jack wanted to leave...

And as for the Oceanic 6, i was originally thinking Jack, Kate, Hurley, Claire and Aaron (Aaron's so young I didn't think he'd count as one of the 6), and Sun and Jin. If that's right, though, I have absolutely no idea who's in the coffin, although the person in the coffin may not have been one of the 6.

And seeing Charlie again was awesome. That made me very happy.

[Steve Poland]

I always thought that if the smoke monster was responsible for the appearance of Christian and Yemi that it was also responsible for the appearance of Kate's horse. And I'm pretty sure there wasn't a dead horse on the island that Smokey animated but I guess I could be wrong.

[LostFanUK]

I agree with Steve P that i dont think its a case of animated corpses but rather smokey scanning peoples memories (as with eko) and using them or simply being able to manifest itself as anything.

I sometimes think that the writers put things in for the more hardcore fans to keep them busy and guessing, it certainly adds to the enjoyment, but that they are not necessarily crucial to the plot. I think things like Christian being in the shack may be examples of this as only those who freeze frame it could see it was him and thus for the average viewer this would be missed. But hey, who knows!