Get Ready: LOSTCasts 62 - Eggtown

We're excited to be podcasting again this weekend for season 4, episodes 3&4 of LOST... The Economist and Eggtown. Send us your thoughts by posting a comment here, sending us an email or visiting the LOSTCasts fan forum.

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[WeakLemonDrink]

Just thought I'd move my latest post to the new thread:

I love what's going on with Locke. Do you remember how we felt towards him at the start of season 1? no one knew if he was evil, good or whatever. Finally now we're starting to see some duality and ruthlessness in the guy. It's awesome. He's still a bit of a sucker, but I bet he'll be learning a lot quicker now.

His scene with Miles and grenade was just so awesome it made me weep with joy. Finally, we have a proper anti-Jack.

[Jes']

Another great episode with a "WTF?" ending..

I guess that would explain why Kate wouldn't let her mom see "her baby." Is Aaron the "he" Kate was referring to in the scene where bearded Jack met up with Kate in "Looking Glass?" If Kate has Aaron, did something happen to Claire, and if so was it on the island or off?

Does the last few episodes change your opinion on who's in the casket at the funeral parlor? Everyone's thoughts, please.

[WeakLemonDrink]

Well, we've had our options narrowed down a little bit. It can't be Clare cos it looks like she's dead well before Jacks Beardy Depression. I'm still convinced it's someone we know, and also someone whose death would split opinion. It's still got to Michael, hasn't it? We know he's coming back this year and we also know from the latest PodCast that we will find out about whose int he coffin by the end of the season. It just HAS to be him.

[Spencer]

This episode reinforced my belief that Locke has been BSing his way around the island all 4 seasons so far. He has acted like a great leader and 'hunter,' but really is just an idiot. After his legs were healed, he felt that he had to act like he was omniscient, because he was 'special'. This episode also reinforced my belief that Desmond never saw claire and aaron take off in the helicopter, he saw himself get on that helicopter, and lied so that charlie would sacrifice himself.

[alan]

@spencer,

thats would make things so much more juicy tho, regarding the complexity of characters!

[Matt Lafferty]

Okay, now I swear I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, but at 9:45 (3/4 of the way through the episode) I said "It's Aaron--that's Kate's baby." Those I was watching the episode thought I was crazy, but sure enough, Aaron.

I mention this not to get heaps of praise (or, rather, grumpy flaming), but to point out that this episode followed the same structure as the last one--especially how Sayid said something to the effect of "to trust Ben is to sell your soul," with the shocker at the end being he's trusted Ben and sold his soul; similarly, Kate said (and I'm paraphrasing) "I couldn't pick up Aaron, I'm no mom."

Additionally, I think it's an interesting shift in how we are informed by events in relation to flashback-to-island and island-to-flashfoward. Thinking back to season one flashbacks (and to a certain extent season two), we didn't truly know the on-island characters. For example, creepy outdoorsman Locke gave us zero examples in his personality and actions that, shocker!, he was once in a wheelchair. However, with island-to-flashforward stories, we intimately know these characters, as well as the story telling devices that the show uses.

In closing, I love the new Locke. His comment, "If this was a dictatorship I would have shot you already" was just wonderful!

All of this brings me back to my saying "Her baby is Aaron" at 9:45. I suspect as more people post, they will say that they saw it coming as well. It makes me think that the writers have done one of two things: goofed a bit and made a slightly transparent episode, or that they intentionally used the same structure as "The Economist" for "Eggtown" so that in the near future they can pull a fast one!

[Girly Alias 99]

Greetings -

I saw this on another board and actually gasped a little -
I had forgotten all about this - Claire's visit to the Psychic -

"You guys know what this means, right? Aaron is being...RAISED BY ANOTHER. Which has big, disastrous consequences if that psychic was right! I am assuming that Claire is on the island and someone had better reunite that mother and child, or baaaaad things are gonna happen. "

Also - can anyone help me understand WHY Sawyer ratted out Kate to Locke ?

Love the Podcast - Stay Lost

[nik]

@ girly alias 99

sawyer didn't rat out Kate to Locke. It was a con contrived by Sawyer and KAte. By Sawyer taking Locke to this boat house, it gave room for Kate to get to Ben. Once again, Locke's the schmuck in this whole sherade.

also, thanks for reminding us on the whole psychic thing! definitelyy good to keep an eye on flasbacks a long time ago, as they could seriously aid the story as flashforwards are revealed.

[Spalz]

@ Girly Alias 99
Looks like sawyer ratted Kate out to help her. He knew that by telling Locke she was doing something with Miles, they both leave the house unguarded and go check to see whats up with Miles. The plan worked and Sawyer, the con-man, looks like he didnt do anything bad

ON a side note
*Whats up with them saying only 8 people survived the crash, 2 died while they were there and 6 made it off the island.
*Ben is something.. I'm thinking he can time travel and has unlimited means of money. I like how he asked Miles "why not 3.4, 3.5 million." That would explain the picture for a few episodes back where it looked like Ben in the 70s and that would explain the Diplomat passport they found for him and the drawer of cash. Like it was his going around money. I cant wait to see what Ben's real deal is all about.
*Miles has a price, is kinda a conman, and hasnt changed upon coming to the island = he's going to die. haha, seems thats how lost works, if you're bad and dont change, Smoky's going to eat you.
*Speaking of Smoky, once they caught Ben, he's/she's/it's no where to be seen...

[alan]

i assume the podcast isnt up yet nah?

[WeakLemonDrink]

Wow, you're sharp.

[Matt Lafferty]

Girly,
GREAT post... raised by another indeed!

As for why Sawyer ratted Kate out, I don't think he did--really. I mean yes, technically he did, but essentially Sawyer pulled a double con. Kate wanted him to be complicit in her plan, but Sawyer, "who always survives," came up with a scenario (or a con) whereby Kate got what she wanted (Miles talking to Ben with help from Sawyer), but also where Sawyer coudl say to Locke "Wha, me involved? No way, I ratted her out." He faciliated Kate's plan while setting up circumstances where he appeared on Locke's side: the ultimate survivor playing both sides.

By the way, I double checked that Jack said during the court hearing (21 minutes into the episode) that EIGHT people survived the crash. Jack presents it in such a way that everyone should know the story--heck, the lawyer makes a joke about "if you haven't read newspapers or the internet, he'll tell you how he knows Miss Austin."

Any thoughts on who the "surviving" eight were, and how they became the Oceanic Six?

[alan]

just askin a question,no need to be rude

[Benny]

Wouldnt it be weird, if the flash forwards,.arnt actually the survivors we know, but there paralell selves in an alternate reality,its just somthing im thinking, i mean what if on their flight there was only 8 survivors,

[Herr Zrbo]

I'm a bit confused. During the trial the lawyer wanted to bring "Kate's son" to testify in her defense as a character witness. Yet at the end, when we see that it's Aaron in the crib, how would a small child of that age be able to testify, it looked like he could barely even talk. Any help?

[TexasPachyderm]

i dont remember so i want to ask. when desmond say claire and aaron getting on the helicopter. did he actually see them get on the helicopter and take off. or just go toward it. could claire have handed the baby to someone on the helicopter (kate) for whatever reason?

[Adam K]

So just a thought on the whole 8 survivors thing, and she coming back with Aaron. For one thing, if Kate is going to pass off Aaron as her own flesh and blood, then she has some holes to fill with her story. Either she came to the island pregnant, and brought the baby to term (The Claire Experience), or she got pregnant on the island, and then had the baby. In the latter scenario, that would indicate the Losties being on the island for at least 9 months, in real world "off the island" time. Probably more so, if we are to consider that Aaron comes off the island at an age that would reflect him being born early on in their island experience. If Kate was to be preggers before she got to the island, showing enough to legitimize the timing of Aaron's birth, then the authorities would have noted she was pregnant when extraditing her (no?). Certainly time is played with on the show, but I found the gestation timing conversation interesting.
The other point is how does Kate justify that blonde Aaron is brunette Kate's son? Certainly people with brown hair have blonde children, but I started playing in my mind with whether she would have to explain who the father was (if she goes with an on-island conception story). In that case, I would assume, and a big assumption, she would say blonde Sawyer is the baby daddy. If that were so, then Sawyer could be slotted as one of the fallen 2 members of the original 8 "survivors", and not as the last member of the Oceanic 6. Sorry if I'm all over the place on this logic. Many assumptions, but it was an interesting train of thought for me.
Lastly, I'm not convinced that Sayid is a member of the Oceanic 6. He clearly works in the shadows, doing Ben's business, and I would think that would be difficult if his face was plastered all over the news. Additionally, if Sayid made a deal with Ben, to secure the safety of either the known survivors, or of the hidden island residents, then wouldn't it be fair to assume the other Oceanic 6 had to have some arrangement with Ben as well? Is this why they all have the same story to cover up things, is it because ben will kill his "hostages" on the island if they tell about his secret place? I don't know where all this logic leads, but I just wasn't ready to accept Sayid as one of the Oceanic 6. Thanks for reading

[WeakLemonDrink]

> Wouldnt it be weird, if the flash forwards,.arnt actually the survivors we know, but there paralell selves in an alternate reality,its just something im thinking, i mean what if on their flight there was only 8 survivors,

According to the latest official PodCast, this definitely isn't the case. All the futures we see happening are definite. No alternative reality tricksiness here.

[Pomegranate]

We know who four of the Oceanic Six are, so d'ya think the other two are Michael and Walt or are they the two who supposedly died on the island? Or are they not counted?

[Matt Lafferty]

Oh duh Pomegranate, you are RIGHT! The remaining two are almost assuredly Walt and Michael--AND it would fit with Jack just mentioning the 8 in passing while the world knows "Oceanic Six," because everyone knows about Walt and Michael. Nicely done, Pomegranate!

Adam, great theory about the time to make-a da baby, and how Kate must have that fit into her story and/or how it fits into their time on the island (I mean, it looks like they aren't getting rescued any time soon). That said, perhaps the writers will take the most direct approach (as they did with "What will Kate's identity be when she returns?... It's KATE, and she's going to jail!" Perhaps she'll say "There was this pregnant lady who lived long enough to have the baby, and she died, so I've adopted Aaron.

And lastly... hey, so is Aaron one of the 6?!?!?! Or is it 6+1 (plus Ben, plus whoever else gets added).

[i'mthemoon]

Adam -- Kate could conceivably have been 4-5 months pregnant without showing and not told the authorities. They've been on the island -- how many days now? 100 or so? She could have said she had the baby prematurely on the island. I guess they'd have to pass the baby off as freakishly big for its age. The Aaron we see in the flashforward is around 18 months-2 years old maybe, so the timing with the trial makes more sense than if she had gotten pregnant with Sawyer -- doesn't seem like they would push back the start of a big trial for more than 1 year. I see your point about them having to be on the island a while longer for there to not be a glaring discrepancy. Some thoughts. I was still disappointed in this episode, as I was disappointed in the last episode. Can't they drive the plot without making the characters do such lame, illogical things? (Locke getting mad at what Ben has to say, Kate making a big deal out of whether they know who she is - of course they know who she is, them not just killing Ben, which is the thing that should have happened already, them not constantly interrogating Miles and Ben and Charlotte and Daniel as to what is going on -- these people have so little curiosity. Good writers would use curiosity to move the plot forward.)

[ninetynine]

@Herr Zrbo

Kate's attorney suggested having Aaron present in the courtroom for sympathy purposes. He never said anything about testimony.

[WeakLemonDrink]

> The remaining two are almost assuredly Walt and Michael

The thing is - how likely is it that Michael would reveal himself when (if) he got back to the real world? My bet is that he's been invisible and is among the (supposed) dead on the island. The other two members of the Oceanic 6 are someone else, I bet you.

[Scott]

I hope Claire assumes a dingo stole her baby.

[Pomegranate]

Ben doesn't have to be one of the six or eight though. He wasn't on the manifest and he apparently leaves the island on occasion (maybe...that pic was pretty old looking) so he can resume whatever identity lets him remove bullets from Sayid.

[Matt Lafferty]

Pomegranate and WeakLemonDrink,

I misread Pomegranate's statement concerning Michael and Walt. According to Jack's testimony (which we're taking as the official creepy deepy story that those getting off the island are telling), there were 8 survivors, yet we know that there's this bunch called "the Oceanic Six."

I thought that Pomegranate was suggesting that the difference between the 8 "survivors" and the O-6 was Michael and Walt. Either way, I bet that's the case!

[WeakLemonDrink]

Ah, I see. I'd have to check again, but I originally thought that Jacks lie said the other two of the surviving 8 drowned after the crash...

Still, the real mystery here has to be WHY those other two are even part of the cover story (as has already been said above). Just what has forced them to muddy the waters like that?

[Tina]

@Adam K

I could be wrong, but didn't Sayid mention being one of the Oceanic 6 in the Economist episode?

I also had the realization that Kate's baby was going to be Aaron the moment Claire said "you should try it sometime" while they were hanging laundry. And it was with such certainty that I knew this, that I too wondered if the writers intended for it to be obvious or not. They also threw in her drinking wine with Sawyer which confirmed for me that she was not pregnant.

[RobC]

Not crazy about the new forum. The forum itself is fine, but it hass split the conversation volume. It's sparse here and sparse there too. Unfortunate.

Anyway, I really think it's Michael in the coffin. I also think Kate should have kicked Locke's ass when he said he was in charge.

[polypam]

I have a theory for how Kate ended up with Aaron. Because of the time discrepancy between the island and the rest of the world, Aaron would have been to young to be born to Claire who was 8 months pregnant on the flight. Therefore whoever orchestrated thier cover story and got them off the island would not let Claire and Aaron go. So Kate agreed to say that Aaron was hers, and Claire agreed because that was the only way they would let Aaron off the island.

[Burnt72]

I think it's John Locke in the coffin and here's why:

1) It would facilitate the story telling a bit better. His character arc moves from a pathetic nobody to a leader of one of the island groups, revered by the original Island inhabitants, then ending on another sad arc, dying alone in the states.

2) Locke's life is in parallel to Jack's, he's Jack's nemesis - and in being that, he has personally burned his relationships with all of the other Losties... by trying to lead and failing. Hence, a major reason why only Jack would come to his funeral (all of the other survivors would feel like he's a jerk and would still be smarting from the hurt he brought to them by his bad judgement/leadership skills). Jack doesn't like him, per se, but he understands where he's coming from and respects him as a peer.

3) Locke may not be part of the Oceanic 6 - he may have found a way to leave & go back to the island via the 'magic box' or by another method that Ben may have used - and may have died during a period when he only intended to be away from the island for a short period of time. Jack went to his funeral in the hopes of finding a way back to the island...

[Cihan]

# Does Aaron count as part of 'The 6'?

# We shouldnt automatically assume Claire is dead.

# The copter hasnt arrived yet (or they could be lying), but it makes you wonder if the bigger the object going in and out of the island, the longer it takes to travel in and out? Would this anomaly explain the food drops?

[Herr Zrbo]

@ninetynine - Thanks for clearing that up for me. Actually I guessed that it was going to be Aaron in the crib. like someone said earlier, it was fairly transparent.

[LockeJuniorUK]

Because Kate has black hair - it's a bit of a giveaway that it's not her child, however if she went with Sawyer - this could be ok for the baby's hair colour. I think Kate could have used Claire's baby to use as a bargaining tool so that she wouldn't get sent to jail and stole her baby from Claire. As part of only women and children go first.

However Ben could be behind this whole charade!

[Mark B]

Hair colour is not always a sign that the child does not belong to the parent.

A freind of mine has that ginger hair. So does one of his sisters. The other sister has brown hair. Both the parents have brown hair.

Kids often have blonde hair when they are young and it fades to brown then even darker. Aaron could easily be Kates child -- esp. if he father had light colour hair.

My guess is that Claire dies or is somehow forced to stay and Kate takes Aaron initially to look after him but ends up raising him as hers.

Another point -- perhaps she named her child after Aaron. I don't think that's the case but it could be.

[Mark B]

@RobC --

I agree about the forum/comments section splitting the conversation up. The forum is fine but initially I liked the comments section more. Change is difficult and I think one will become the place to post over time. My guess is the comments section will die as more people move to the forum.

[benjy]

how long after the episode does the podcast usually come out?

[Virgilio]

Concerning Aaron's "birth" to Kate:

I think that part of the Oceanic 6 story is that Aaron is the love child of Kate and Jack. The only reason I have to back this up is the amount of controversy surrounding Jack's testimony for Kate and the fact that the only question the prosecution asked of Jack was "do you love Kate". (Also, the reaction of the gallery to his answer makes me think that their love affair and possibly their child was part of the tabloidization of the Oceanic 6.)

[JimM]

@MarkB
I just posted the same idea on the forum , that Kate may just have named her own natural born child (either conceived on or post Island) after Aaron, considering some of the mind games TPTB sometimes play. She might have named him "Aaron" in honor of Claire's Aaron, either beceuse they both died or because they are still held captive on the Island. This could still explain why Jack doesn't want to see the child particulalrly if it is Sawyer's.

[lost rick]

The 2 that "died":

If Sun was one of the remaining 2, then one of the dead would be Jin -- her childs father. The other dead is likely the supposed "father" of kate's child.

Michael & Walt most likely just folded back into the world silently. I think Michael is in the coffin. It would make sense since if one of the Oceanic 6 died, the news clipping would be significantly larger. My other guess for the person in the coffin is Desmond. Perhaps since he was not part of the oceanic flight it was easier for him to just blend back into the world. Whoever is in the coffin is not famous though.

[Mark B]

@benjy

The cast usually comes out on Sunday afternoon/evening US Central Time. Once in a while it'll come out Saturday depends what the guys have planned.

[BOB]

Why cant sawyer just bang the bejesus out of Kate and be done with it? Cmon Sawyer belt the ears off it!

[Adam K]

Tina: You are absolutely right that Sayid said he was one of the Oceanic 6, but that was to a person he was about to kill, whom he knew would be freaked out by his Oceanic ties. I don't know if that inherently means he is truly a reported Oceanici 6 member, or was just delivering a standard revenge line like "this is for what you did to my mother/brother/sister/lover, etc." I may be reaching there, but it was just a thought.

Regarding the Oceanic 6 count: People keep saying that there are two more members of the Oceanic 6 to account for...maybe Michael and Walt, etc....but aren't we already at 5 members of the 6, if we count Sayid? That would be:

1)Jack
2) Kate
3) Hugo
4) Sayid
5) Aaron (would the real aaron please stand up? Wait, you're a baby)

So that would only leave room for one more "Survivor"

One thing I haven't seen commented on a lot here.....Daniel Faraday's memory problems. So Charlotte and Daniel look to be doing rehab on his memory. Is it to restore his memory, or is it to prevent its loss? Just a thought that came up when I was discussing the show with my mother: (Look, Lost beings families together!) When we are first introduced to Daniel Faraday, we see him at his home, watching TV reports of the Oceanic 6 underwater salvage. He is crying, and when asked by the faceless woman in the background (whom I'm sure will have her identity revealed later with some significance) why it is that he is crying, he says "I don't know". Now, I have been assuming that when we were introduced to all the helicopter crew, individually, we saw their own little scenes, and those must have taken place before they came to the island. But, what if Daniel is losing his memory on the island, has his experience there, and then when leaving the island, can't remember anything about it. Then when he is in his home, and we see him watching the wreckage, he has an emotional response, but can't understand why. All I'm saying is we are assuming that the staged wreckage of Oceanic 815 is discovered before this crew is assembled and sent to the island...like the discovery is why they are sent to the island....but I don't think that is 100% for sure. It could be that they were put together as a group by Naomi's organization...they do what they do here on the island, and then they are returned to the world....after that point, the 815 crash is "discovered" and the Oceanic 6 are rescued. It would allow whatever unfolds on the island during this season to unfold, and then once Ben makes his deal with the Helicopter crew, and the freighter, and the Losties, they set into motion the conspiracy of the "Oceanic 6", set up the wreckage to be discovered, and then have a rescue crew (other then the feighter) come find the "Oceanic 6". I hope this makes sense. I'm just trying to point out that the scenes we saw of Charlotte, Miles, daniel, etc, didn't necessarily happen, in linear time, before they came to the island. This would also explain why Charlotte is now fascinated by the Polar Bear remains...she has seen it on the island, and is now finding evidence in the real world. Ok, enough of my rambling. Thoughts?

[adam]

Chris in Fortworth is such a fuckin loser.I said the word 'shit' and if bans me from his shitty forum.Well you can jam it matey.No one goes on it anyway. Tosser

[Johan]

I agree with Adam...Chris in Ft. Worth is a Texas FAGGOT. Why don't you go pump your boyfriend, Chris. You big queer!

[nik]

i don't see the point on focussing on Jack's story and figuring out who the two were that died. We know its a fabricated story, so what does it matter?

[Oohdannyboy]

@Johan, Agree with you there dude this Chris dude seems to think he has taken ownership over Lostcasts.

[lostscot]

I don't think the O6 are trying to pass off Aaron as Kates child by natural birth. 2 reasons for this are that the 2 "dead survivors" story told by Jack in court suggests that there was some reason why 2 other survivors were fabricated by the O6. If Claire were one of these survivors but died shortly after the crash, it would explain how they emerged from the island with a baby while avoiding any suspicious questions about its origin. Secondly, the lawyer was intent on using Aaron as a character witness. Obviously you can't put an eighteen month old kid on the stand to give testimony, so what did he mean? I'm thinking that the lawyer would have used it as an opening to further consolidate the picture of Kate as a heroine. She rescued a new born baby and has taken it into her life as her own. What jury wouldn't be suckered in by that story? Who's the other dead survivor needed to back up they're story? Dunno to be honest. Can't think of anymore.
Don't think aaron should be included in the O6. Still think theres two more out there.
Mark

[Mike in the Box]

Re: Aaron as an "Oceanic 6" member.

I doubt that Aaron would be considered part of the six simply due to him being born on the island and not being on the flight manifest. The company would have no significant claim to him. This is the same thought behind Ben not being part of the six.

[Cihan]

Nik, I think the fact that he mentioned 2 died, could be important. Maybe along with the Oceanic 6, two dead bodies were recovered also. More guessing games...

[Cihan]

Mike in the Box: 'Oceanic 6' is a pretty sensationalistic title that the press probably came up with, and I wouldnt put it past them to count a baby as part of the six.

[LostFanUK]

What i think is most intriguing about this episode is miles' comment to ben that 'these people dont know who you are or what you are capable of'. As the end of the sayid episode shows, there is alot more to ben than we know.

I also think that claire is perhaps alive on the island but struck a deal to let kate take him with the other '6' as this was the only way to get him off the island. great catch by Girly Alias 99, maybe aaron being raised by kate will cause problems, maybe he was 'supposed' to be on the island. I think jack didnt want to see him because he finds out claire is related to him and its too painful to see the baby as it brings back memories.

One line which i thought is important was lockes to ben when he said 'ive read it already' (about he book he gave him). locke says 'maybe you'll see something you missed before'. i think this is a nod from the writers to look back at old episodes with the stuff we now know.

'Wild speculation of the week':

LOST = about some large governmental/corporate struggle to save the world from some disaster (valensetti equation, the numbers etc) and the island is the experimental test zone for such a struggle. rather like the show 4400 there are different groups vying for control of the worlds fate. the freightees work/sayids chick from last week work for one group and ben is part/leader of the other.

Love the whole democracy v autocracy stuff with the two groups. love locke's grenade stunt! love LOST!

[Kane]

What has gate done so that Jack doesn't love him anymore. It has to do something with the plot... maby even about kidnapping Aaron and leaving Claire behind.

[Kane]

gate = Kate
:D sorry, i'm tired

[Rok]

@Cihan, your comment just made me think of something regarding the size entering the "snowglobe" of the island. You know how we all wondered why the Dharma initiative was still making drops all these years later? To THEM, they're not. They dropped those crates decades ago, and they are only now just making their way through the snowglobe and landing. This might also explain why, when she was first being recruited to the island, Juliette saw x-rays that appeared to be from a geriatric womb from otherwise young women. It would ALSO help explain how the island folks could seemingly make everything Juliette want/wish for in that episode happen, because they had already been through the loop with her, and structured everything to get her husband run over by the bus, etc.

Also, it just dawned on me that, thinking back, Desmond was caught in an awful storm before washing up on the island. Yet again, if you want on or off that island, you are either going through "the mother of all storms" OR.... wait for it... you take a submarine. The weird thing, though, is why wasn't the plane caught in the same storm? We assumed Desmond's failure to press the button brought it down, but just about everything comign within a certain radius of that island gets busted up. But weren't the skies generally clear/sunny out the windows of Oceanic 815 just before the first "bump" and then all hell breaking loose?

Sigh. Every week, I get a little more annoyed with the character Kate (though, man, she cleans up well. Damn.). Selfish to get the answers she wants at the risk of everyone else, upset about not being pregnant when getting pregnant on the island and giving birth is a death sentence, etc. Oh, and Sawyer was 100% right when he commented on Kate's Jack-Sawyer ping-pong. Oh well.

[nik]

@ Kane

Neart the end of the episode, Jack told Kate that he lied about not loving her still.

[Lost in Nevada]

@Girly Alias 99

I think the psychic wasn't tuned in too good and mis-heard the message. The actual warning was 'Don't let him be raised by an OTHER'.

The Oceanic 6 + 2: The 'Official Story' being told by the survivors is that eight people lived thru the plane crash but two later died leaving just The Six.

One of those who 'died' was Claire. Possibly while giving birth to Aaron. 'Heroic Island Kate' then raised the baby as her own. This was the point that Kate's lawyer hoped to make in court. I don't think there's any pretense that Aaron is supposed to be Kate's natural child. She cared for the child in addition to all the deeds Jack testified to.
This is (at least part of) the lying that Jack is sick of.

This brings up the question: Is Aaron one of The Six as well?

Why Aaron is two years old at the time of Kate's trial? Aaron is only about 3 months on the island. Either they don't try Kate for nearly 2 years after she returns or it's going to take them a lot long to actually get off the island. Is Aaron actually just a few months old but developing rapidly due to island influences?

Why is Kate being tried in California for a crime she committed in Iowa?

What really does happen to Claire? Does she die or is she still on the island? Did she ask Kate to take Aaron away so he wouldn't be raised by 'an other'?

Whey doesn't Jack want to see the baby? Does he learn that Claire is his half-sister and therefore Aaron is his nephew? Is he feeling guilt because Claire is dead/unrescued?

[Chris in Fort Worth]

For the record, I haven't banned anyone. As for 'taking ownership over Lostcasts' I am just a big fan of the show and the casts, and now the fan forum and am simply interested in helping the forum grow.

I would love to address your name calling, but I'm afraid I might have to ban myself...besides, I don't think I'm qualified to come up with a proper response to being called a Texas Faggot...brilliant!

And I'm done...

Peace.

[nik]

good on yah chris :)

[andrew]

Regarding Aaron raised by "an Other" Others is just the name the Losties came up with, they were also called the hostiles so Ithink its just a clever wordplay by the writers but in the world of Lost Aaron cannot be raised by anyone else--by "an(y)other"

[Mike in the Box]

@ Lost in Nevada

I don't have any real answers for you. But regarding Kate being tried in California: she is charged with federal crimes. In order to get her on all of those charges, the state would probably concede to federal jurisdiction. She can theoretically be tried anywhere in the US for the federal charges.

[Nim Chimsky]

As a prosecutor, I can tell you there were so many things "wrong" with the trial aspect of this episode that it made my head spin. As a Lost fan, I decided from the get go to suspend my unhappiness with how it was handled so I only offer my perspective to aid in everyone else's understanding of it.

First of all, based on the uniforms the bailiffs were wearing and the seal behind the judge, the trial was being conducted in a California state court. Since the crimes presumably happened elsewhere they should have been tried there.

Secondly, procedurally the episode was ass-backwards. Kate's lawyer would only have called Jack as a witness once the prosecution had completed presenting all of their evidence. Kate's mom would have already testified by that point, making it irrelevant that she wasn't there later. Yet we are led to believe that Kate's mom never testified at all. If this was true, the prosecution would have been forced to dismiss the case, thereby rendering it unnecessary to call Jack as a witness at all.

If I can think of anything else to add, I will.

By the way, does anyone else find it odd that the only condition she placed on Kate was being unable to leave the state?

[kill palove]

does jaxk have a sister on the show

[Jay]

Here are a couple of my observations:

-Something must have happened to Claire on the island and it has upset Jack so much that he doesn't want to go to Kate's house to see Kate and baby Aaron. I mean he basically told her that he still loves her, but still he doesn't want to see the baby. Does he not know that the baby is Aaron (Claire's Aaron) or does he think it is Sawyer's baby?
-There is a clear time difference between the island and the outside world is that how they are going to explain the fact that Walt has gotten so big?
-What's up with Faraday having trouble remembering 3 cards? Does the island have some kind of affect on some people's memories?

[AndrewJ]

Lostpedia and others have explained about the bad bargain reference in the Eggtown title and some of the examples through the show.

Maybe Kate's possession of Aaron is the result of another one of those bad deals. It could be that that Claire was traded in some sort of deal as part of leaving the island. She may be a valuable commodity as the only woman who has given birth on the island. Maybe Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because the toddler is a reminder of some dubious deal that sacrificed or abandoned Claire that Kate, Jack, etc. made to get off the island.

Locke killing the chicken seemed like an example of short-sighted decision making; no more eggs. Although there may be other chickens? Or maybe a sign of something bad coming along for Claire (or Sun). Perhaps a sign that Locke is out of touch with the island and the interest in reproduction that the Others have.

The Others' obsession with pregnancy seems to have faded into the background for a while and maybe this episode is a reminder it is still significant.

[Simon and Drew]

I still think the plot has something to do with Jacks penis or more importantly the size of it.

[Jay]

Why is Kate not pregnant we know that all the men on the island are extra-potent, but Kate never gets pregnant after having sex w/ Sawyer?

[Captain Obvious]

Anyone know when the new podcast is gonna be up?

[Andrew]

@Jay Maybe Kate cannot physically have babies and thats why she is sure she isnt pregnant..thats what it seemed to me.

[tommy]

@Andrew

I think Locke was saying he was killing a chicken to try to cover for him being in the basement and beating up Ben. He looked pretty rough when Miles was talking to him.

[Al]

Just occurred to me...

I know have a much better guess of who was in that coffin in last season's finale, whose death would upset Jack that much. It could have been BEN! If Ben is/was ACTUALLY supposed to be keeping Jack and Sayid's friends safe, it would suck to see him go, and it would add on to all the guilt

Also, at the end of last season's finale, we were all wondering who Kate meant when she said "He's waiting for me"... this episode gives us a much more educated guess for that too... it's Aaron

Not a bad episode at all..

[R Lost]

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this but i didn't get a money grubbing vibe from Miles. I was sure that the whole conversation was a coded conversation because Kate was at the door. The whole " you have 2 days". He was telling him something was coming in 2 days and Ben tells Miles to wait at least a week. I think this is another one of those code like "Tell my sister I love her." Same thing with the 3.2 Million. That was a heading not a $$ amount. Not sure but didn't he tell Michael to stay on a heading of 3. something???? Anyway that's what I got from it let me know if you think I'm way off base. Thanks

[Liquidduck]

@R Lost

There are some money grubbing vibes from Miles. When we first see him, in his flashback, he stole/found money, that was hidden in the woman's dead son room.

[AndrewJ]

@Tommy: That likely makes more sense but I think the choice of words might have significance.

[monika]

i was wondering what´s the deal with daniel´s memory.he couldn´t remember the reason why watching headnews with oceanic plane wreckage made him upset. then, an episode later, miles had to remind him the meaning of naomi´s last quote, the code, which i guess he supposed to know, since he was the team member as well as miles was. and then memory test with three cards, of course... do you have any idea about this subject besides daniel being nuts?

[Joop]

@ monika
tigerlily posted an interesting theory on the fan forum:
http://s3.freepowerboards.com/lostcastsfans/lostcastsfans-about112.html

[alocke]

Lostcasts is my favorite Lost-related podcast. I really look forward to your analysis each week. I just wish you'd give us some clue as to when your new shows will be released so I don't have to keep checking iTunes like an OCD patient.

[Dub Hook]

This is going back to the Economist but since you're doing a double cast I thought I'd pose it. I'd like to preface my question by saying this could be my brain seeing something that isn't really there. Here's my question, did anyone else believe that when Sayid saw the bracelet on Naomi that it reminded him of Ilsa in Berlin? That means that the island reminded him of the future. Let me know what you think.

[JakeG]

I think Naomi and Elsa were both given the same bracelet by the same person. The economist?

[Emily]

I haven't seen anything about this posted yet, but I think the reason that Jack doesn't want to see the baby is because of Claire. Remember that he and Claire are half-siblings, which would make Aaron his nephew. We know that Jack and Clarie will find out that they are related at some point. I'm assuming that Claire will die on the island and that Jack doesn't want to see the baby because it reminds him of that and the fact that he couldn't "fix" her.

[RobC]

The producers have said on TOPC that the bracelets are different and not connected (except via Sayid's memory). Just like Mikhail's cat (and maybe Kate's horse).

I would be surprised if there isn't a pretense that Aaron is Kate's natural child. I doubt the government would have let Kate kept possession of him otherwise. Maybe they'd look the other way bc of Kate's hero status if she was not a murder suspect. But since she is, I kind of doubt it.

[dub hook]

"The producers have said on TOPC that the bracelets are different and not connected (except via Sayid's memory). "

If that's true, then the bracelet Sayid saw on the island triggered a memory of the future?? Is that what we're supposed to think? I don't understand it, but want to make sure I'm interpretting this situation correctly.

[Jon W]

@ Matt Laffery

'Okay, now I swear I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, but at 9:45 (3/4 of the way through the episode) I said "It's Aaron--that's Kate's baby." Those I was watching the episode thought I was crazy, but sure enough, Aaron.'

I was the exact same, no joke! I was shocked that I was right , I picked up on the same Sayid-Ben thing

[Lara]

yeah ok if aaron is claire's son (which we are all agreeing on pretty much) is this why jack is a bit :/ about seeing him? we know from the official podcast that jack WILL find out that claire is his half-sister and so he would be aaron's uncle. if he's in on the whole kate-raises-baby thing then surely that would make him act like he does in the ep.

[Lost fanatic]

Remember when Claire was kidnapped by the others when she was pregnant, they gave her shots? They kept telling her that the shots were to save her. Then Juliette infected her with something to make her sick at a prescribed time. I still think that there is some kind of virus or contamination on the island. Hence the quarantine signs. Maybe this plays into why Claire dies or can't leave the island?