Get Ready: Ji Yeon

Join us this weekend to discuss season 4, episode 7 of LOST, Ji Yeon. Leave us your comments by posting them here, sending us an email or posting in the LOSTCasts fan forum.

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[mark b]

first first ?

[xobster]

Jin's was a flashback and Sun's was a flashforward! Awesome!

[sam from oakland]

so I posted this in the forum, but I wanted to post it here as well: If you look to the right of the screen as Sayid walks out on deck there is an ax...jammed into the wall!! It looks as though someone got angry and decided to take a swing at the wall. Take a look, you can see it at about minute 35.

- Sam From Oakland

[Anon-e-mouse]

Jin in a FlashBack?? No way! If only us diehards were watching, then LOST would go nuts with stuff like that...but frankly LOST wouldn't dare - the 95% average viewer wouldn't have a clue what's going on (like they do anyway!)...Jin is alive and well (and working for Mr. Paik) in the future, only Sun doesn't doesn't know it. he can deliver a Panda but can't let her see...

[spalz]

The oceanic 6...
Jake, Kate, Sayid, Hugo, Sun, ??? (michael). Thats what I'm thinking. 2 died prior to the rescue. Jin is one, and the other....?

The shows getting good!!!

[Tyler J]

Jin isn't dead! His headstone has his death date as 9-22-04. That means that his offical story would be that he died in the crash.

[WeakLemonDrink]

Sun wouldn't be so upset and Hurley certainly would've made the trip to offer his condolences if there was ANY doubt as to whether Jin was alive or dead. His DOD is 22-09-04, but all that means is that he probably died on the Island or on the way back home and so isn't one of the Oceanic 6. That date was probably only given for simplicities sake and to avoid any questions. The flashback was a masterful way of wrong footing us, nothing more.

What an utterly stunning episode, though. Everyone was on magnificent form. I love this show so much.

[Tyler J]

"Sun wouldn't be so upset and Hurley certainly would've made the trip to offer his condolences if there was ANY doubt as to whether Jin was alive or dead."

I'm not so sure, I'd be pretty upset if my husband was stranded when I gave birth to his miracle child given that he is barren. I think Hurley made the trip because they all got large settlements from Oceanic and he's, well, Hurley!

Either way, I'm sure we'll find out just what the hell happens to Jin soon enough.

[tj]

Standed on a mysterious hidden island with no apparent chance of returning home that is...

[Liquidduck]

@ Anon-e-mouse:

My brother was adamant that the Jin's flashes were flash-forwards, too. But the show reference a time-line as the toy store clerk mentions that it was the year of the dragon and the previous year was between 5 February 2000 - 23 January 2001 and the next date will be 2012 - 2013.

Also, the fact that Jin mentions that he has been married for only two months.

My brother then replied that Jin could have remarried. My response was, "Would Jin still be working for Paik after divorcing Sun and notice that his wireless phone looked like an older model, not one you would expect someone would use five years from now."

[WeakLemonDrink]

I think people need to take things at face value a little more. This is "OMG, did Sun push Jay Lee out the window?!" all over again.

[waiting for lost]

The date on the tombstone is just to keep the story they are telling straight. If they said Jin died on another date they would have to explain it. OK he could be one of the two in the story who survived then died later.

Something weird is going on and I'm not 100% sure that Jin is dead. He may be alive on the island as may others.

So
Who are the 6 ?
Is Jin really dead ?
What is going on on the freighter make make people kill themselves and the rest of the crew be so ambivalent about it ?
Does Micheal remember Sayid ? He didn't seem all that paniced or was he playing it cool ? Has his mind been swiss cheesed ? Did he and Walt get recaptured by the others and did Micheal spend some time in Room 23 ?

[lburf]

I think Jin is still on the island, he has a headstone as all passangers on flight 815 where found dead (hense the date on the headstone being the date of the crash). Sun is saying she misses him so much because she is off the island and he is still there, not because he is dead.

[Rock]

No matter which characters die at any point in the show, their date of death will have to be officially the crash date to avoid questions, why can't people understand that??
The real certainty in Jins coming death is that his character arc is over. He has come full circle from the man he used to be, forgiven Sun, confirmed the baby is his and is at peace with himself. No more conflict= dead.

[waiting for lost]

@Rock
I think people DO understand why the date of the crash will be the date on tombstones. What other date are they going to use to maintain the story ?

What people are saying is that the O6 have a cover story that is just a pile of lies. So therefore just because Jin is officially dead off-island it does not mean he is really dead. I am willing to bet that the O6 were all officially dead before they were found. There were probably funerals for Jack, Kate, Hurley etc. but they clearly are not dead. This is something that will be interesting to find out -- how do six people survive when the plane was found at the bottom of the ocean ? Did they managed to escape the plane before it sank ?

I'm sure there are real stories of people being declared dead only to show up -- there was one uncovered last year in the UK where a man pretended to drown in an boating accident so his wife could claim the insurance only to walk into a police station a few years later.

I agree though Jin had his redemption speech in the tent with Sun so he is a candidate to die. However you could argue Sawyer has reached a similar 'redemption' and he's still alive.

[Rock]

Obviously anything is possible in a sci-fi soap opera as far as people being alive and evil twins, etc. but it makes no sense. If Jin was alive and Sun knew it (back on the island for example), she wouldn't visit his tombstone with a tearful speach. I also refuse to believe that Jin would not move heaven and earth to be with his baby and bride if he was alive in secret.
I agree that the O6 will not be the only survivors, even the only ones in civilization, just the official survivors.
I don't think Sawyer has reached his arc, he obviously has a connection to Kate that must be sorted out. Not to mention the revolt of viewers if they kill possibly their most popular characters. I believe Sawyer will die a heroes death, but not until season 6.

[Steve Berry]

If Jin weren't dead, why would Sun take Ji Yeon to the graveside "to see him"? I think the signals were pretty clear that he's gone. Why was Hurley so pleased that "the others" (presumably the other members of the Oc6) weren't there, though?

[Ninjitsu Chicken]

Cause they are all nuts.. thats why!

[JimM]

Two things to add :

1) Jin's bout with Paik and the Polar Bear was accompanied by the "whooshing" sound, a sure sign of flashback (Sun's were not).

2) My family and I got into a debate last night - Has Desmond ever even met Michael? Des beat a hasty retreat early in Season 2, and by the time his boat circled back wasn't Michael already gone (after killing Libby and Ana Lucia?)

[Sphere]

Well, it's so clear that this is Widmore's ship that I begin to feel suspicious of another trap of the writer's (such as yesterday's Jin flashback that looked like a flashforward).

It does makes sense that Widmore would send a ship, but THAT ship? As the "strangely forthcoming" captain said (Sayd's words), Widmore has resources to stage a fake airplane rescue (why would he need all 343 bodies though? that is strange). With so much money, why send that ugly ship? and that crew? Does not look too much professional to me. Looks like he rented a boat and was only concerned about the 4 frighties + Naomi.

I don't know, but if I had Widmore's money, I'd use at least two boats, and probably a submarine, as he probably knew Dharma used to use.

BTW, happy Pi day! http://www.piday.org/

[waiting for lost]

@Rock
But this is just a tv show. And in general the 13+ million viewers view it as such. The scene at Jins grave was for show for the general viewing public. She could easily have sat at home and had a good cry and said all those things but it would not have meant as much. We are meant to think she thinks Jin is dead. I am not saying Jin IS alive but I believe there is a possibility. Jins body is in that grave. If he is dead he died on the island, if he is alive he is on the island.

And yes he would have moved heaven and earth to get there but if he is stuck on the island what could he do ?

You are right about Sawyer. He will not die until he has proved himself as much 'a hero' as Jack.

I don't recall who said it but I thought Hurley saying it was good the others weren't there was very very odd.

[waiting for lost]

Sorry that should have read Jins body is NOT in that grave.

[a2]

@waiting for lost

O6 are:
Jack (S3 EP22)
Kate (S3 EP22)
Hugo (S4 EP1)
Sayid (S4 EP3)
Aaron (S4 EP4)
Sun (S4 EP7)

Agreed?

[Aaron]

We know that the survivors are compelled (for reasons we have yet to be told) to cover up existence of additional survivors. So I get Jin's date of death. I even get the need to erect a tombstone to further the illusion. But the graveside visit IF Sun knows he is alive, but still Lost on the island, seems like a stretch to me. I agree with Ninjitsu Chicken though about the relief at the absence of other survivors. From all the interactions we have seen in flash forwards there is a great deal of tension between them - because they all are living this lie.

[Jin is dead]

yes... those are the six - agreed.... we already knew kate & jack were off and after Sayid's episode the producers said we would find out "1 more member of the oceanic six" in the next episode... which included Aaron.... and finally we find out the last member (sun) last night

1) Jin's bout with Paik and the Polar Bear was accompanied by the "whooshing" sound, a sure sign of flashback (Sun's were not).

This is also a sure sign that Jin was a flashback....

[waiting for lost]

I guess if we believe D&C on this one then yes Aaron must be in the six. I find it odd though but I guess if he survived the crash he counts, even if he was not born at the time.

There was some discussion that Kate was not confirmed as one of the six until her S4 epi. as it was not until then we knew she was living in the open.

In S3E22 we could easily have thought she was still on the run.

According to an old OLP D&C said they would list the O6 if there was any ambiguity lef tafter last nights episode.

[Aaron]

@waiting for lost

Interesting idea about Kate's status in finale of season 3. Didn't consider that.

I remember the same thing about D&C saying they would name the six after last night's episode (episode 7). We shall know, for sure, soon enough I suppose.

[Tom "Gatorrock"]

Disagree about the 6-

Kate's story in Eggtown about helping with the "8" on the island... with 2 dying and 6 leaving- means that Aaron- who HAS to be born on the island as he is NOT on the manifest of Oceanic 815- therefore not 6. Remember- no one is going to know who the pregnant lady on the plane was- just that there was one if they list that kind of thing anywhere.

Personally I think it's Michael as #6- Walt can be considered part of the crash victims, hence why not part of the "6".

and the last part... I think Jin dies in the next episode. they said someone dies- makes sense, get the horrible thing over with and let people "grieve" during the month break.

Of course I don't truly know so take it as you will...

[Amanda]

@JimM:

If I remember right, they were getting ready to bury Ana Lucia and Libby when Desmond came back--they were planning to use his sailboat to track the others when Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley went with Michael. Desmond probably met Michael then, if only in passing.

[Rob van den Berg]

When did Jin die???

http://www.podcastleaders.net/L0407.png

[Rob van den Berg]

Jin didn't leave the island I guess

[Rob van den Berg]

Jin didn't leave the island I guess

[Stefan (Lost in Brazil)]

Here's a couple of questions for you folks:

The very last close-up we get of Sun's face, does that really look sad, or rather like someone who just put on a show because she knew she was being watched?

Isn't it odd that survivors of a simple plane-crash gain such lsting fame. The flash-forwards seem to be several months apart, but still, when for example Hurley gets stopped by the cops they recognize him. You really think that would happen, or only if something more than a mere rescue was involved - say, maybe a jump ahead in time?

Yes, Jin bought the Panda in either 2000 or 2012, but what it was in 2012?

What about Mr. Paik? Everyone else in this series is so interconnected that it strikes me as odd that a figure like Mr. Paik, who has both plenty of money and the 'right' set of ethics to severely effect things, has no connection whatsoever with either side?

Isn't it odd that, when Regina kills herself, no one seems to care?

Just some thoughts....

[none of the above]

I don't think this ranks as a simple crash. The cover-up has got to lead somewhere. The fact they they were found dead suggests to me that they will be big news for a long long time. Maybe one of them went big in the press and so made it bigger.

Though I would guess that after a few years their fame would have died.

[Umreeh]

The ending confused me and you haven't posted the new podcast, that I HAD to check out this site to see what the heck happened! I think it makes more sense that Jin died, because if he was alive and still on the island, no woman would visit an empty grave! Granted there's an O6 cover story, but if I were Jin, I would just put up a headstone, take care of my baby and use my settlement money to work with Penny Widmore(sp?) to back to that island and get (hott) Jin back! ^_^

[futurebird]

The way things are going down on the freighter is so creepy. They have put Michel to work because they are short hands. Can anyone get a screen shot of the ax in the wall. I think they kept Desmond and Sayid locked up since they were scared they had the sickness.

I also think that Faraday is reluctant to go back to the boat because it is a scary bad placed ruled by a potentially sick captain.

I bet this is what it was like on Danille's research vessel when they all got sick.

[Goose and Mav]

Fuck I want to give Tasha a beef injection so bad.I have heard on different forums that she takes it up the bottom and loves ass to mouth action.Tasha you rock my cock! Peace out.

[johan]

Lets face I'm addicted to porn
love
Goose and Mav

[nort]

them loosers on the fann forum dont like porno talk
i hate them lowlifes

johan

[ManOfScienceFJC]

These comments have been contained some of the dumbest ideas and theories I have ever seen on this site. Also what's with the three comments above mine?

[ZachsMind]

Again.

Aaron can not be one of the Oceanic Six.

Aaron was not on the manifest.

Aaron did not take up a seat.

Aaron was not yet born.

Aaron doesn't count.

The Oceanic Six are Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Sun, and someone else we don't know yet.

[Goose and Mav]

@ManOfScienceFJC
cuz porno talk is cool

[Stefan (Lost in Brazil)]

Oceanic Six is most likely a name given by the media/press.

Just image: A bunch of folks gets rescued from a plane crash that presumably did not have any survivors. big media story. There is 5 adults and a baby. What will they be called? The 'Oceanic 5 + the baby that wasn't born yet'?

Not very likely.

Regards,

Stefan

[Ozwal]

@Rob Van Den Berg
"Jin bought the Panda in either 2000 or 2012, but what it was in 2012?"
- thats not right, the man in the toyshop says the dragon brings luck "IN" the year of dragon, he never says it actually IS the year of the Dragon.
he says: "in the year of the dragon it brings good luck"

[Aaron is dead]

"Aaron was not on the manifest.
Aaron did not take up a seat.
Aaron doesn't count.
The Oceanic Six are Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Sun, and someone else we don't know yet."

This is retarded.... LOST said we would find out the LAST member of the oceanic 6 in the last episode.

and just because he didn't take up a seat or wasn't in the manifest it does not automatically preclude him from being a part of the "Oceanic 6"

The media gave that name to people who came off the island who were stranded due to a plane crash. It would make no sense that the media would NOT include a baby (born to one of the survivors) in their grouping of the survivors. quit being dumb about the whole "aaron" situation....

[Umreeh]

Yikes! Let's just wait a few more episodes and see what happens next guys!

[WeakLemonDrink]

Ok, so taking the assumption that neither Jin or Aaron (although Aaron does seem to eb the best bet, but bear with me) is one of the O6... what are the chances that the final member is whoever is in that coffin and we'll find out their identity in the season finale? I think that'd be by far the most satisfying way to wrap up the mystery of the O6.

[Col]

The main reason why it's hard to believe it's Aaron is not because he wasn't on the manifest but because of Jack's sworn testimony.

The only way Jack's story works (8 survived the crash, 2 died after, then 6 get rescued) is if the 8 who survived the crash are to include 7 people, one of which is pregnant and counts as 2, therefore 8 people survived. Otherwise, when Aaron is born you'd have the Oceanic 7. See?

[WeakLemonDrink]

Exactly. Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Aaron's existence is a secret. If they've lied about the fate of Claire then why wouldn't they lie about the fate of her child ?

I'm becoming more and more certain that Aaron isn't one of the Six.

[2players2sides]

Here's a potentially interesting Aaron / Oceanic 6 idea:

I agree with Col that Jack's story in the courtroom is what definitively rules out Aaron as a member of the O6. For it to work, the public would have to believe that Aaron was Kate's biological son, and for THAT to be true, Kate would have to have been as pregnant as Claire was when she got on that plane, and way too many people know that she wasn't for the story to check out.

However, Damon Lindeloff mentioned vaguely in an interview recently (in response to Aaron's apparent age in Kate's flash-forward) that there are "some growth issues" when people leave the island. We know that the Walt Locke has been seeing is a "taller" Walt, so he would appear older. What if Aaron appears to be older than he really is? This could suggest another lie within the oficial Oceanic 6 story - could they possibly be claiming that Aaron was born before the crash, and was one of the 8 survivors?

[WeakLemonDrink]

> could they possibly be claiming that Aaron was born before the crash, and was one of the 8 survivors?

I don't think they could get away with that, as people would no doubt be aware of Claire's pregnancy at the time of the flight. In fact, now I think about it, it's very likely that Claire is one of the 8 they say survived the crash, but the story could be she died in child birth, thus explaining why they returned with her baby. It would also explain why Jack is so reluctant to go and see the baby as he doubtless feels like an utter bastard for separating baby and mother (presuming Claire is still alive on the island.) It'd be pretty damn cool if Jack only found out about their shared parent after he left the island, too, further compounding his guilt.

That's looking a little more likely than keeping Aaron secret, isn't it? That'd also make it pretty certain that Aaron is one of the six.

[WeakLemonDrink]

Really interesting thought about Aaron having 'growth issues', by the way. There's just so many ways in which the writers can screw with us with these flashforwards - it's amazing.

[Col]

If they are saying it's Claire's then the baby would certainly not be in the care of Kate. Jack, Claire's aunt, the baby's dad or even the parents that already singed adoption papers would have better "claims" to the kid than a person awaiting trial for murder, arson, etc. What would Kate's defense be? I delivered it and Claire wanted it this way? Seems like too big a stretch.

[2players2sides]

WLD, I'm compelled to agree with you. While on the stand, Jack says "Only eight of us survived the crash." For Aaron to have been born on the island, and for his mother to have died, that would mean that 8 survived the crash, a baby was born (making 9), and THREE people died on the island after the crash, leaving the 6 including Aaron. To my knowledge, nothing's been said on the show that would rule that out...

[2players2sides]

Now Col is winning me over again. :) Very good point about Aaron's caretaker - not to mention that Kate's mom seems to be pretty convinced that the baby is her grandchild... Damn this show.

[Col]

Jack mention that two didn't make it as he got cut off, not three....there is the problem people can't get over.

Watch it again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asWA2oDKB_U

[xobster]

No one has mentioned it here yet and I don't read any other forums or listen to the podcasts (sorry guys I don't like spoilers) so I'm gonna bring it up. All of the freighties are going crazy...kinda sound familiar? as in similar to Rousseau's stories about her fellow crew members losing it? She referred to it as a sickness and wound up having to kill all/most of them. If anyone needs a flashback to explain some things, it's her.

[WeakLemonDrink]

Yeah, Col has got it banged to rights, I think. God, I'm going back and forth with this at the moment... At least we wont have to wait too long to have clarification.

[Jason]

Aaron is one of the 6th.

Either yes, they will fudge with it and somehow claim he was born already and on the plane, since there seems to be "growth issues" as others mentioned.

Or, the Jack on the stand thing really isn't a problem. Jack never finished his story, so all we got is 8 initially survived the crash, 2 died shortly after. For all we know his next sentence would be "And then Kate gave birth" or "And then Survivor #6 gave birth and died".

Kate was on the run, so it's entirely possible she could have claimed she was pregnant when boarding the plane, there wouldn't be many ties that could verify otherwise.

Though to be entirely honest, I find it slightly odd that no verification was done to determine if Aaron was actually Kate's soon, despite whatever story they use. Though I suppose most of the logistical problems with ANY story could be taken care of by someone with extreme influence (Such as Widmore or Ben)

[Col]

Again, I already explained why those explanations won't work, I have yet to hear a scenario that would make sense given what we know.

"Already born and on the plane" theory - So the Marshall also arrested the baby? Or was someone else caring for the baby in the plane as Kate was being taken back? Makes no sense.

"And then Kate gave birth" - So it's then the Oceanic 7.

"And then survivor #6 gave birth and died" - Kate would have 0 claims to that child.

I think it would be fine if Aaron was the sixth in theory, it's just not what the story is allowing for at the moment. Maybe Jack is like Petite and is simply "misremembering" his fake story. Who knows.

[filledwithennuie]

What if Kate were pregnant when she left the island by Sawyer, gave birth at home and named the baby Aaron as an homage to Claire? That would be a reason Jack wouldn't want to see the child.

[Andrew]

Did anyone happen to catch the tv screen that was on right before Sun made her emergency call to the hospital? I just watched it live so I couldn't pause it but I thought it could be a clip from Expose Niki's old tv show. Just a guess since I can't verify it. Did anyone else catch it?

[louis]

Yeah looks like exposé

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs225&d=08110&f=expose405.jpg

[Wedgeley]

I think filledwithennuie has hit the nail on the head ... when Kate told Sawyer she wasn't pregnant, I immediately thought she probably *was* and just wanted to break links with him. It's the only explanation I've seen that works with Jack's testimony nicely plus you know how much the writers like toying with us - having 2 babies with the same name would be just like them.

[ninety-nine]

Juliet told Sun that she had two weeks to get off the island, or she would die. So, does that mean that the Oceanic Six get off the island within two weeks of that conversation? That is pretty surreal.

I hate when the ABC promos say that someone is going to die in the next episode. I would much prefer to be surprised. And you can usually figure out who is going with the way that the episode is written.

Jin said that he will protect Sun and the baby with his life. Does that mean that his death will be in defense of Sun?

What is Michael's role going to be in all of this? And what happened to Walt?

[McLegend]

XxX SPOILER XxX

The next episode is called "Meet Kevin Johnson"
That didn't mean much to me until Micheal appeared at the end of the episode calling himself Kevin Johnson.

My money says the next episode is a Michealsentric one and will involve flash backs from the time he got of the Island until the time he joined the freighter crew.

Can't wait.....

[McLegend]

XxX SPOILER XxX

The next episode is called "Meet Kevin Johnson"
That didn't mean much to me until Micheal appeared at the end of the episode calling himself Kevin Johnson.

My money says the next episode is a Michealsentric one and will involve flash backs from the time he got of the Island until the time he joined the freighter crew.

Can't wait.....

[Jes']

LOLz @ Lostpedia for originally having Aaron as one of the Oceanic 6. They made the correction (prob. after the Ji Yeon spisode).

How about this for a "WTF?" moment: if Vincent stowed away and ended up being the 6th by default :)

STAY LOST!