LOSTCasts 69: There's No Place Like Home 2 & 3

Join Robert, Matt and John as we discuss the season finale of season 4 of LOST, There's No Place Like Home (parts 2 & 3). In this podcast, we discuss some of the more interesting questions raised by the season 4 finale, such as Ben's intentions, Locke's new role and speculation on his leadership, the fate of those on the island and more.

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Links related to the podcast:
McSweeney's LOST original pilot script
Popular Mechanics on moving the island
Wikipedia entry for Jeremy Bentham
Alternate finale endings from Good Morning America
Octagon Global Recruiting

Make sure to keep tabs on the site during the new Alternate Reality Game that will launch in July. Until next season, Stay LOST...

Comments

[Steven]

First to comment! i've been waiting so long for this podcast!

[connor]

Thanks guys - do you have a donate button anywhere?

[cornbeef]

http://lostcommunity.co.uk

[Matt Lafferty]

As always, thanks for all you do guys! Can't wait to listen!

[Andy]

Thank you!

Usually, after a UK episode has been aired, I have a nice big juicy LostCast to listen to straight after. After a fortnight of no-showing, I'm relieved you guys are back!

Thought I'd comment on how great it was to see my university's (University College, London) founder, Jeremy Bentham, get a shout-out on the show. I've seen some stuff on Lostpedia saying that his head had always been a wax model, but they used to ahve his real head on his real body (in a display case), before our rival university (King's College, London) kept pulling pranks by stealing it and playing football/soccer with it. Scour the internet - there's some interesting photos of it!

Anyway, keep up the good work.

[stringy]

re: Keamy's dead-man switch - it wouldn't be much of a dead-man switch if it was easy for someone to take it off him and wear it themselves. He seems like the kind of guy who'd anticipate the possibility of getting caught, tortured, etc. If you can hand it around to all your captors, it doesn't give you any protection against them.

Still loved Ben's reaction to having set off the bomb, though :) As soon as Keamy started threating him with it, I knew Ben wouldn't give a damn about it.

[stringy]

Also, in hindsight, how much of a dick is Jack for saying to Kate (in their happy family flash-forward) that Sawyer chose to stay? Yeah, he chose to stay, while Jack just sat there looking stunned as the helicopter lost fuel.

[Mike]

Excellent work guys. It's because I like the podcast so much that I was among the pissed when you took two episodes off.

[Cihan]

I think you guys are paying too much attention to the 'constant', in relation to Widmore/Ben and people going to and from the island. I really dont think its going to be mentioned again much in the show or even appear again. It was a one-off for that Desmond episode to give his character something to do, and they explained it away with a throw-away line about 'people who have undergone lots of radiation', which Desmond obviously had when the hatch blew up.

Why Ben and Widmore cant kill each other is probably something we havent been given any clues about yet and will be a revelation to surprise us next season or the one after.

Regarding Keamy, I dont really have a problem with his bloody appearence, he's a walking cliche and that's fine, but what's still bugging me is Mikhail's character. They've said he died in the hatch explosion but that's frustrating on two levels: 1) how come that killed him, but all the other times he didnt die, and 2) why the hell did he kill himself? Gargh. Lost is renowned for trying to tie up any loose threads it has, but its slowly accumulating loose threads that its not tying up properly.

[frankmorris]

@ Cihan

Mikhail? hatch explosion?
Have you been exposed to any radiation? :)

[Cihan]

Haha! Yeah, I'm losing it. How about porthole explosion? Kinda close, right? Right!?

[elaine]

it was a hatch (albeit an underwater one) and it was an explosion so I think you're better than close cihan :)

[elaine]

it was a hatch (albeit an underwater one) and it was an explosion so I think you're better than close cihan :)

[Tyrone]

Dunno who did the Sun impersonation but what a racist.

Learn how to speak to your audience....

[Scott]

I'm with Cihan, all of that useless talk about "the constant" frustrated me. I think you guys are focusing WAY too much on the little details and trying to find clues where there aren't any clues. With that said I love the podcast and I'm going to miss it over the hiatus

[Dave]

I think your podcast has really gone downhill. I used to love your podcast and the theories you all would talk about. If you don't like doing the podcast, just stop. After the first bit about Darth Vader.....I just turned it off. You guys just sound like you don't like the show and are just doing the podcast to do it. I hope you still enjoy the show, but I am going to stop listening. I'll listen to the Jay and Jack podcast and talk about the show with my wife......that is far more enjoyable than listening to the Lostcast.

[Jon W]

Racially stereotyped accents aside, top work again guys.

[lburf]

Did i hear whispers before Christian appeard on the fraiter?

[Babs]

Yes, lburf, you did.

Podcast too short! You guys with your stupid real lives. ;) Your unfortunate table reading of the McSweeney's post reminded me of "Threat Level Midnight".

[lburf]

Was it not concluded that the whispers where the others in the trees? if so how can the whispers be on the freiter? confused!

[Wes]

Hey everyone! My friend and I have started a LOST podcast of our own.

Check it out:
www.getyourbeerongetyourloston.blogspot.com

[scott in philly]

@ Dave & other podcasting naysayers.

I tend to agree that the intellectural/"mystique" value from the podcast is dropping off greatly. But i don't think it's the podcasters fault. they made a great point in the podcast about the content the show itself is providing us.

I watched the pilot episodes again today and I was reminded at how many WTF? moments seemed to pop up early on. tons of different issues, questions, strange happenings, mysterious, deaths, etc, etc. Early on it seemed that ALL of things had little to no connection, save their presence in the same show storylines. this is at the heart of what made LOSTCASTS so great in the first half of the series.

but now, well, we are getting answers. Dots are being connected. Storylines are getting completed and it becomes reveal after reveal rather than question after question and mystery after mystery. there's not much digging around, speculating, theorizing one could even do at this point.

We watch an episode and feel like "oh, okay... this must be B, C, and D of how we got from A to E in season 2. Cool" Not a whole lot we can do with that I guess. A "theory cast" at this point would even seem pretty useless. look around (forums, boards, other 'casts) everyones saying the same things after this season. they have the same few questions and the same basic theories. there just isn't room for as many tangents anymore. and, unfortunately, that makes for any podcast a bit less on the thrilling side of conjecture. this makes me sad but it's the price we pay for demanding answers. We just can't have our cake AND eat it too.

So keep up the good work LOSTCASTS... you can only work with what you are given at this point

[frankmorris]

@ scott in philly

great points, well said.

[Matt Jones - Believe it or Not]

Another thing that is hampering us is that the literary and genre fiction references we're more comfortable with have given way to quantum physics. Not exactly our area of expertise.

[skilbo]

while howard stern was off last week i went back and listened to some old lostcasts. listen to the podcast about the book "watership down" that they recorded after season 2. it's amazing that season 3 played out almost exactly like that book. not to mention a lot of the lostcasters theories were proven right season 3.

@skilbo (myself) great comment!

[Matt Jones - Believe it or Not]

We beat out Dracula Gottfried Meets the Whack Pack for your listening pleasure!

Now that's impressive.

[KingMe]

Welcome back, guys. Love the podcast. First time commenter. Just a few items to note:

I think the reason Sun blames Jack for Jin's death is not that he prevented the helicopter from landing, but because at the end of last year's season, he talks to the people on the boat even after John and Ben told it would be bad.

There is no solid evidence that Claire is dead and I don't believe she is. Kate saw her off the island in a dream, not materialized like Charlie to Hurley so the same rules don't apply.

The people that need to go back to the island: Jack, Kate, John, Hurley, Siyed, Walt and Sun. My reasoning is that the island brought certain people to it (by plane crash) that need to be there for specific purposes. Those purposes were not fulfilled. The other people that went to the island but left (Desmond, Lapedis) were not "brought" to the island by the plane crash. Aaron could not be expected to fulfill any purpose. In reference to Kate's dream, the island told Kate to come back but not to bring Aaron. There is no contradiction.

Major "on island" time discrepancies: I realize that time off island and time on island are different, however it seems clear that on-island time is linear relative to itself. In other words it does not loop-back.

1. 12 years since Horace died (Purge), 16 years since Ben took Alex. Perhaps Sayid's calculations were wrong and it has not been 16 years. Otherwise this is a huge error.

2. Assuming the island was nearer to Africa when Mr. Eko's brother crash landed on it, (due to it being a small plane, it could not travel the distance to South Pacific) that would make the last "jump" only a few years ago. However, the Dharma Inititive has been on the island since the 70s, way before the plane would have crashed and we can assume that Dharma has not "moved" the island since they were bringing people to it all the time. The only explanation for this is that the island can be in two places at once. Not likely for these writers.

That's it for now. Thanks again for a great podcast.

[MMM]

This is just my perspective, but on our podcast we have had no trouble talking as much or more about this season as previous seasons. I don't think the problem is that there's nothing to talk about, I get the sense you guys just aren't interested in what the current mysteries are.

[Matt Jones - Believe it or Not]

Good for your podcast.

[cannibalkid]

Everyone calm down. Matt, thanks for responding to your critics; they deserve a lot less.

People forget that part of the reason Lostcasts has changed so much in the last couple years is that Brian is no longer part of the cast. He was great at the "grand theories" and wild speculations. If he can't be a part of the cast, then so be it, it's not John, Matt or Robert's fault. People need to stop expecting the cast to be different than they are. They aren't getting paid for this. If I was paying for the podcast, then yes, I could fairly have a quibble with the Tasha episodes, or the loss of Brian, or the lack of more "Theories of Everything" podcasts. But Lostcasts has always been something different than Jay and Jack, different from The Transmission. Lostcasts isn't about you, the listener. It's about Matt, Robert, and John, and their other friends, and their own personal discussions about a great show. And we are LUCKY that they decide to press "record" every week and create a podcast.

Do I hope they make more "theory casts"? Of course. Do I hope Brian sits in more often? Yes!!! Do I respect, appreciate, and admire the fact that they've been a part of my life for years now without asking anything from me in return? Absolutely.

[cannibalkid]

Everyone calm down. Matt, thanks for responding to your critics; they deserve a lot less.

People forget that part of the reason Lostcasts has changed so much in the last couple years is that Brian is no longer part of the cast. He was great at the "grand theories" and wild speculations. If he can't be a part of the cast, then so be it, it's not John, Matt or Robert's fault. People need to stop expecting the cast to be different than they are. They aren't getting paid for this. If I was paying for the podcast, then yes, I could fairly have a quibble with the Tasha episodes, or the loss of Brian, or the lack of more "Theories of Everything" podcasts. But Lostcasts has always been something different than Jay and Jack, different from The Transmission. Lostcasts isn't about you, the listener. It's about Matt, Robert, and John, and their other friends, and their own personal discussions about a great show. And we are LUCKY that they decide to press "record" every week and create a podcast.

Do I hope they make more "theory casts"? Of course. Do I hope Brian sits in more often? Yes!!! Do I respect, appreciate, and admire the fact that they've been a part of my life for years now without asking anything from me in return? Absolutely.

[frankmorris]

everyone calm down?......uh......okay.

[waiting for lost]

@MMM

So which is your podcast ? Please tell so we can have a listen.

Ta

[breadcrumbs]

New Fringe trailer!! http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134 Are you going to do a Fringe podcast?

[MMM]

@waiting for lost

I don't want to start some kind of podcast war. That's why I didn't name the podcast.

[waiting for lost]

@MMM

Seriously I'm already starved of LOST content and would like to listen. Matt, Robert and John have shown that they are way above petty "podcast wars".

[Pocket]

Just finished listening and wanted to let you know how much I love your podcast. I think it's the smartest, most insightful and most entertaining lost podcast out there, and since I listen to 6 podcasts regularly I am an excellent judge of Lost podcasts. Thanks so much for your thoughts and all the work you put into it.

[waiting for lost]

@Pocket

Which six ? Lostcats + ? ? ? ? ?

[Matt Jones - Believe it or Not]

I was just busting balls. Plug your cast.

[waiting for lost]

@MMM

Come on then let's hear your podcast. Matt has given his blessing to your promotion here. Or is it that .....

a. You're worried your podcast isn't as good as you claim.
b. You don't actually have a podcast.

I'm thinking it's 'b'.

[Still looking for answers]

Did I miss it or do we still not know what happened to all those kids kidnapped by the Others. We saw them once but I don't think they ever answered what happened to them after that. It seems the point of kidnapping them was to preserve the "tribe" since they can't have kids of their own. So where are they now? Do we care? For that matter where did the Others go off to when they left the village and why do they seem not to age? Are they originally from the Black Rock?

Seems like a lot of questions still to be answered and these are just a few of them.

[scott in philly]

@still looking for answers
It's true that we don't know where the kids went. I don't care. nobody cares. My guess is that they are off feeding hurley birds in the woods with jack's Dad and kate's horse.

@MMM
show us your cast... i'd like to listen...

@Matt jones
I like it when you bust balls. I like it a lot.

[Mark B]

My feeling is that many of the currently unanswered questions will remain just that post S6.

What would be good, but too much to expect, is for D&C to do a LOST special and explain the whole thing and answer all those questions after S6. They'd have to do it seriously not all tongue-in-cheek.

They won't but it would be great if they did. Or would it ?

[frankmorris]

@ still looking for answers

There's no reason not to assume that Cindy and the kids are still with the others, even though we don't see them as Locke approaches them.

@ Scott in Philly

One time Matt Jones expressed his wish that a certain posters mother had strangled him as a baby with a plastic bag...good times.

@ Mark B

There will still be questions after all is said and done. I think that was what Lindeloff was getting at when he made his "midiclorins" vs. "the force that binds us" statement. somethings are better left with an element of mystery.

My big question is how the f&*$ did the island move?
Exotic matter sounds similar to the matter-antimatter way in which the Enterprise moves through space time.(I can't imagine the producers of Lost borrowing from Star Trek).
but I don't think we'll get any detailed explanation: just that it was "Jacob's will".
Of course there are many things that will be left shrouded in mystery only revealing things that advance the story.
D&C will probably do a special after all is said and done but it will be tongue-in-cheek, no pants, banjos etc. etc.

[Mark B]

I don't think the island physically moved. I think it moved forward in time so ceased to exist in the time where the Losties were. If it moved back in time then it would still be there as it would catch-up with itself and someone there at the time the island disappear would not notice it had disappeared --- unless someone moved it again.

[frankmorris]

@ Mark B

You dare question the will of Jacob!?!?

Yes, the time traveling bunnies indicate that the exotic matter moved the island in time, I think the island (and the snow globe) also moved in space. I think theoretically it would have to be both considering Einsteins fourth dimensional space-time (but that's above my pay grade).

I don't see how the island necessarily has to move forward in time where it ceases to exist. Do you you mean naturally? The island erupts and is washed back to the sea? Why not back in time when It has not volcanically formed yet? Wouldn't Locke aka Jeremy Bentham cease to exist?

You say ceased to exist where the losties *were* doesn't this involve a physical move?

Please explain

[Mark B]

@frankmorris

ok this relies on time being a simple straight line .... island is at xy location in space and at time z. if island moves back in time to time=z-10 it will still be at time=z as it's been there. But if it goes forward to time=z+10 for time=z+1, z+2 it will have appeared to disappear .....

[frankmorris]

I see, thanks
I just assumed that the island would still be visible in the future, (maybe with taller palm trees).
The island and it's bubble have always been out of sync with the outside world but could still be seen from the freighter. In fact it's been slightly ahead in time, remember the doctor is found washed up on shore but is killed by Keamy "later".
I personally think the island moved in space and time but to the past, not for any technical reason, because the writers have sown such fertile soil: The Black Rock, the four toed statue etc. granted these story lines could be covered in traditional flashbacks, but how cool would it be to through Locke, Sawyer, Juliet and Miles into the mix?

[Lost Junkie]

Hey, I was just thinking about the ending of lost today, after listening to the podcast again. I started thinking of things I would really hate for the show to end as, and I think I would be so pissed if at the very end of the show. We see Jack about to dying and then he starts hearing voices in his head. They are yelling his name. Then he wakes up, with the flight attendant nudging his sholder telling him the ride is over, and all of the losties get off on thier regular lives. The whole thing was just a dream.

[MMM]

There's no way I can prove that I have a podcast without naming it, so you can believe me or not, I have no control.

Anyway, the point was not that my podcast is better, or even "good", but that I didn't feel starved for material this season from the show. I was suggesting that it was more about at least some of the podcasters losing interest. For example, mr. stone saying "don't hold your breath" for a podcast over the hiatus, and the fact that the last 2 episodes, one of which was a major mythology episode, did not get a podcast at all or even a mention on the final podcast.

[waitingforlost]

@MMM

Just name the podcast -- we are all LOST fans and want more LOST content. Seriously I want to listen to your theories etc. I promise not to flame you.

[Chris in Fortworth]

Ok I'm really curious about something. I want to know which one of the guys i.e Robert,John and Matt has the largest penis. I have always liked to think that Robert has although I could be wrong.Can someone who knows inform me, Thanks in advance.

[Matt Jones]

All will be revealed.

[frankmorris]

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1414-3.html

[Bill from Kentucy]

Seriously guys who has the Largest cock?Im trying to settle an argument with my roommate.I say John, He says Matt.

[Robert Stone]

Thanks a lot. I'm not even in the running.

[Joan from windsor]

Well I would like to think that John has the biggest member out of all the boys.

[Baptism]

Who cares who has the biggest cock.Coming from a girl, size doesnt matter.Its how you use it.My BF has an average penis but he knows how to work it in the bedroom.

[Crew Babe]

Funny the only people that says size doesnt matter are the guys with small dicks.

[Lostie]

Exactly

[Fitness Freak]

Im only 19 and have been told by most girls that I have a long,fat penis but at the end of the day I dont think it matters too much its how you use it.

[Fitness Freak]

p.s. I am on a website if you wanna check of out its allaustralianboys.com look at models and Im Ringo.

[Jessica]

@Fitness,I checked you out.You are cute but cant see your willie.lol