Get Ready: LOSTCasts 73

Yet another great episode of LOST last night, with the airing of season 5, episode 6 of LOST, 316. Join us this weekend for another podcast, as we discuss the Losties' return to the island! Post your comments here, send us an email, or call our automated audio comment voicemail at: 206-984-3516...

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[Memnoch]

A few thoughts that I took while watching the episode:

I loved the first scene. I actually thought that 2009 Jack had jumped into 2006 Jack, like Desmond had. Would have been interesting to see him run through the same crisis, but trying (and failing) to change critical events. Even though that's not what occurred, I still enjoyed the scene.

Why does Hurley have Charlie's guitar case (or one that looks like it)? And I'm sure I've seen Hurley swim before, so what gives?

I'm thinking Pierre Cheng is the "he" that built the map room. Assuming he is Miles' father, Miles did grow up in LA/Encino.

The 1954 poster in the church seemed to imply that Ellie and Eloise are the same person. Does Eloise remember Desmond from "Flashes Before Your Eyes?" She just kind of gives him a weird look.

Jack is supposed to believe that everyone on flight #316 will be sacrificed and doesn't care? Why is he so skeptical if he previously spent his weekends going from LA-Sydney for the same purpose? Also, did anyone confirm a new set of Valenzetti numbers?

Both Sun and Kate are apparently okay with leaving the kids behind. Aaron maybe with Clair's mom.

I thought the newspaper article said that Jeremy Bentham committed suicide. I thought we knew this already, so I assumed Jack did.

Although I like the reference to the white shoes, I really thought the watch from Jack's dad (and granddad) would have been a nice touch.

Ben praying is like pigs flying! The Christian Shephard reference is in full effect now.

My first thought about the title wasn't to airline #316, but to John 3:16.

All of these extras on the plane look familiar. I hope we see them again.

Someone higher than Ben is pulling strings here (Widmore?). I am more convinced than ever that someone manipulated Christian into killing himself and for flight #815 to crash in 2006.

I have a strong feeling that the 4-toed statue is for Locke.

[Memnoch]

Oops. Forgot to add that I suspect Ben followed Desmond to find Penny to make good on his promise. But I would think Widmore might have also had some protection follow Desmond back to Penny.

[Chris]

So.....

Ben turning Sayid to the cops for all the people he killed is a fairly logical way to get him on the flight.

Kate what the hell? Going from you must be crazy to i will follow you anywhere? am i missing something. suspecting some sort of blackmail involving Aaron.

Hurley is mighty confusing to me. I would believe there is something to do with the dead people he sees. that is probably why Charlie's guitar as well. Charlie probably asked him to bring it to the island for him.

Assuming what we are lead to believe is true that Penny is now dead this would give Desmond a reason to come after Ben. Most likely on his boat. Possibly bringing his son with him. That would put both of them back in time meaning that Charlie really could end up being Charlie. Heck Hurley might give little charlie that guitar he brought with him. Setting him on a path to musical stardome.

Mrs. Hawking seems to share the same feelings for been as christian did. Like he is a necessary evil.

It's looking like Christian is more important than i personally believed, though i don't think he killed himself for the island. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Ben pushed him to his demise though.

Its kind of odd how many fathers had to die to get the people where they are. Ben killed his father, Locke had Sawyer kill his, Kate killed hers, Christian died bringing Jack.

Something about Sun i don't fully trust. I think she has to do something for Widmore still. At the airport where he had her pulled into holding he helped her, and i'm not sure how, as what she appeared to do to find Ben could have easily done on her own. He must have done something for her, which means she owes him. Possibly he could even be holding her kid as well as Aaron.

[Biolite]

Well we have two big questions from this episode...ok, three. Where's Aaron? What Happened to Ben? and Why did Hurley and Said end up on the plane?

Mrs. Hawking did recognize Desmond, but it wasn't a very warm welcome. She told him the island wasn't through with him (shock) and he told her to F-off.

Good confirmation that Jin and the "Left-behinders" ended up in Dharma time. Makes sense given we know Daniel ends up back there from the season premier and Charlottes reveal last week. I would guess they've been there for a while since Jin is in full outfit driving the Dharma-van.

The guy who gave Jack his condolences at the airport... will totally be back. I wouldn't be surprised if he was working for Widmore. My reasoning being that A) Someone beat Ben pretty bad. I could see it being a Widmore goon beating the way to the island out of him. B) He's too suspicious to be written out so quickly.

That being said, there's a chance that flying over the island were simply absorbed into the time period the island was in. It would explain the lack of a crash.

[Memnoch]

@Chris - I dunno about Sayid. You get turned in for murder in Los Angeles. You're an Iraqi. And they deport you by way of Guam??

Also, at my own theory about Penny...I buy that Ben would follow Desmond to Penny. But why would they be at a Marina. Surely, in all due haste, they didn't sail from London to Los Angeles???

[Sway]

Theory: Kate's pregnant!! They needed to recreate the original situations, so it was important for her to get Jack involved in it because on the original plane there was someone pregnant with a child related to Jack in some way.

[Chris]

@Memnoch

Never said Sayid was busted for murders in LA. He killed people all around the world for Ben. A small hint from Ben to any one of those country's would be enough. That would require him to be extradited. Plus i'm sure some of those people he killed for Ben were very high up meaning a government would react very quickly for his capture.

[afan]

why do I get the feeling that a robot types these things?

[ebonX]

Some quick thoughts about last night's episode ...

Who created the Lamp-Post Station? ... Pierre Chang as a post-WW2 physicist (pre-DHARMA)

Where's Aaron? ... Grandma Littleton. Kate is keeping her promise to Claire's ghost.

Hurley is reading "Y: The Last Man" in the airport, which is a comic series created by LOST scribe Brian K. Vaughn

What happened to Ajira Flight 316? ... I like the idea that the O6 flashed back to the DHARMA-era (circa 1970), while the plane crashed on the Island in the "present" (circa-2008) ... I think the cool twist is that Locke will become a proxy for Jacob/Island, but not for our Losties, but instead for the Ajira survivors (in 2008).

Ajira Survivors ... I think the leaders of the Ajira Losties will be Nabil & Ilana. I see Nabil as a pacifist doctor (Man of Faith), while Ilana will be the rogue (Wo-Man of Science) of this new group ... I also think they will show Ilana to be a bounty hunter (working for Widmore?)

[ebonX]

Crazy theory about Sayid ... After watching the past 2 eps last night, I really think Ben had Sayid kill people associated with Widmore. they were not people who were looking to kill the O5, but instead, they had been "tagged" by Widmore, as being part of his next group to find the Island ... I'm thinking the only 2 people left in this group (that Sayid hasn't killed) were Nabil & Ilana. I think Sayid will be shown to have discovered this fact in some upcoming flashback. I think Sayid helped Ilana onto Ajira 316 and she will be Widmore's link to find the Island.

[ADubs]

When did we learn the names of the other people on the plane? And why did someone say we were left to assume that Penny is dead? Did I watch the same episode? I'm so confused...

[Osbo]

Ben tried to kill Penny. Had Desmond followed.

That's my theory.

STOP.

Also, anyone else get a "Wizard of Oz" vibe at the end of "This Place is Death"

Desmond, the Cowardly Lion.
Sun is searching for her heart (Tin Man)
Jack is searching for a purpose (brain / scarecrow)

Is Ben, therefore Dorothy (just trying to get home)?

I just found it as an allusiary tableau.

[Osbo]

On the map room:

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle - you change the configuration of an atom by the very act of observing it. One can't know where an electron is at any given time, only have a general idea of where it's going to be. Thus creating an "electron cloud".

The same, apparently, is true for the island.

This theory and many others went on to found quantum theory. The Feb 12th Lost Video Podcast had the actor playing Daniel Faraday go off on this sort of stuff.

[Biolite]

Yeah, i'm not sure where we actually got evidence that Ben tried to kill Penny, all I see is speculation.

[Mark B]

My initial reaction was that Ben got beaten up by Sayid.

Last time we saw Sayid he did a runner and said it would be very bad for whoever came looking for him. I figured Ben went looking to try and get him to come back to the island. Sayid beat him up. Ben called the cops Sayid gets arrested for a crime in Guam (or wherever, I think I heard the the flight was going via somewhere).

Maybe he went looking for Penny but I somehow think we'll get to see that meeting real time not in a flash or whatever.

Figure either a time travelling "fellow" called Faraday did all the math or maybe the DeGroots ?

As for the people of the plane.....
Hurley is being Charlie rather than himself (hence guitar and not being able to swim)
Kate is pregnant Claire (Aaron is with Sawyers ex)
Sayid is Kate
Sun is Rose (with ring and missing husband)
Jack is Jack (back to saving and fixing)
Locke is Christian

Really liked seeing Lapidus though I would not have recognised him.

Can't decide if I hope they they "flashed" out of the plane and we don't get a whole new bunch of characters landing there going through the whole 815 sceario or they do, both would be interesting. I think the "condolence" guy will be in a new character, he's a proper actor (was in that movie with Micheal Fox with the flashbacks) not just a bit part guy.

So what of Desmond ..... who knows. Didn't see him on the plane .... will he and Panny randomly crash onto the island again ?

No Walt on the plane either.

Liked Jin at the end in his Dharma suit.

[Mark B]

Doh ! Matthew Fox not Micheal !

[frankmorris]

@ Mark B
Hurley was filling in for Walt as well, he was reading the comic book (written by Brian K. Vaughn).
Ben was the new Hurley, arriving late.
I had a different take on Jack, He's the new Locke and somewhere Locke is laughing his ass off.
I liked seeing Lapidus too, We're not going to Guam are we?
Jin is clean cut and seems to be gainfully employed with Dharma which would suggest that time has stopped slipping...for now.

[Kunal]

OMG, that opening shot sent shivers down my spine. Wonderful nostalgia. Lost is back! (And so are our Losties!)

[Tahir]

Apart from a slow bit in the middle, that was a great episode.

Desmond.
The Oceanic 6 had to recreate, as much as possible, their original trip.Does that mean if Desmond is to return to the Island he must come by boat ?

Great to see Lapidus again.I hope he's on the island too.
And the best line of the episode, "We're not going to Gaum are we"

Lost does 'bad guys' really well.
Mr Friendly, Mikhail Bakunin, Keamy.Anyone think the Arab looking guy at the airport is the new baddie ?

[Andrew]

This is a great episode one that when we see how this plays out will stand out as a good moving the story forward ep. I'm so glad that they are back and season 5 wasn't a full season of getting them to return.

One thing I hope will not be overlooked: How was Kate legally able to leave California. Remember her sentence after the trial was that she could not flee (and she says I have a son now I'll stay put). I was thinking this was going to become amajor obstacle...and I hope it gets explained (maybe in a series of episodes that show how Kate, Siad, Hurley decide to go on the island).

PS. loved the ending at first I thought it was Horace nice fake out

[LeChuck]

I don't know, I thought this episode was really meh. All the stuff with Christian's shoes... why not the watch?!?! You've set up the watch with the hardcore fans, why not pay it off. Also, I don't care about Jack's Grandpa, sorry. I'm all for setting up big reveals later, but the onscreen action was pretty boring.

*Are we seeing a bit of voodoo by bringing CS's shoes back?

*Why does Lapitus look so gross without a beard?

*I think Jack has become a proxy for Locke accept he's spiritually broken instead of physically broken.

*The Aaron blackmail angle better be it, otherwise WTF Kate? Oh snap, maybe Kate is Widmore's mole! The Other loving stealing kids afterall.

All in all, an absolutely bizarre episode... it didn't really feel like Lost to me, the intro was amazing though.

I'm done.

[Shotokan]

I think given the previews of next week, seeing John Locke alive again. Maybe the same happened to Claire. Well, we don't even really know if Claire is dead, huh? Anyway, I think Claire came back for her baby.

[Shotokan]

....Also I thought it funny that Hurly had a sleep shade to cover his eyes from the flash. did he know EXACTLY what was gonna happened?

[opsin]

I thikn Hurley just didn't want to see what happened when it crashed. They discussed whether any of them remembered it crashing, so they expected it to.

I can't help but buy the idea that Ben is all beaten up 'cause he went to get Penny, after his line about paying back a promise to an old friend... There was me hoping Desmond and Penny would make it! Although, had they, we wouldn't get more Desmond I guess. And I might be wrong.

I also concur so far with the idea that 'cause of the flash, those who belonged on the island hopped through time. The only question there is Jin had clearly spent some time in his Dharma van, potentially getting a job with them and all. My best bet there is that the guys on the island hopped to that time, and because the 6 were coming back, they stopped hopping, but the difference between time on and off the island meant they've spent months in that time waiting essentially. Ala the talk about the rocket Faraday sent with a clock on board.

Then again, maybe Locke nudging the wheel fixed that and left them in that time, and the flash for the plane was the 6 hopping back to the time concurrent with their friends. At which point, the 6 returning surely wasn't necessary to fix the flashes, just Locke turning the wheel. I'm intrigued as to whether to believe what Ben had said, or Jacob's comment about Ben's advice never getting Jack anywhere worth a damn.

[dan]

Whos in the eye?

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[GAvin]

Ok think i have found something.

On the website of Ajira Airlines there is an option to print a sample boarding card.

On that card there is a definite set of longitude and lattitude coordinates.

13 29 02N, 144 47 50E

What is that?

[Jackeduplockedown]

So that episode was really about the first and last scenes huh?

I'll address the not so exciting middle first.

-How did Kate, Hurley and Sayid end up on the plane.

Two options in my view

#1 Mysterious powers of the Island

#2 Mysterious powers of persuasion (Ben Linus and\or potentially Charles Widmore)

Read someone suggest Hurley might have been visited by dead Charlie or some other befallen friend. I'd tend to agree.

-What loose end did Ben tie up?

So obviously they really made it seem like he was going to kill Penny, Do he get in a tussle with Desmond? Seem's unlikely that Des would let him leave or stop before he himself was dead, as we know the Island is not done with him yet.

So, I'm guessing it's completely unrelated and we'll get an answer about 6 weeks from now.

Interesting to note that the Island is now "stuck" in a significantly different time then rest of the world, what effect will this have if any at all...?

Previously the Island was just ahead of time on the rest of the earth; Is this the Incident? Can the members of the Dharma Initiative no longer return to the time they live in? Or are the Losties the only one's in the 70's and the rest of the people who crashed are in 2008 or is it 09?
Where does this put Lapedis and Linus?

We learned the Island was discovered by the Dharma Initiative; is Lamp Post a Narnia reference?

So Dharma finds the Island; how do they get everything their they need to build the stations and camps etc.

How come the Losties had to return in such a manner? Richard and Ben have come and gone in traditional ways many times.

My guess is Hawking and Ben have ulterior motives for reuniting the Losties with the Island. I think the Locke thing backfires on Ben to.

Another question is how Jin got the job and has he and the others been there three years in whatever time it is? Lot's left to see that's for sure.

More after the Podcasr if not sooner

[Joop©]

@ Jackeduplockedown

I think it's clear that the Lamp Post is a Narnia reference, not just because of the christian allegory, but from what I hear, The Chronicles of Narnia were widely popular in the counter culture/Dharma days.

Also, Ben was reading Ulysses. I haven't heard anyone mention this, usually the books referenced on the show are analyzed up and down and compared to the mythos of Lost.

I think like the characters and events of the book are juxtaposed with those of Homer's Odyssey, so are the characters and events of flight 316 being juxtaposed with those of flight 815.

[oddjob]

How come Ben's a mess, and nobody on the plane noticed?

[oddjob]

How did Hurley know to be on that plane. I suspect Widmore is involved and Ben's knows it.

[Mike in the Box]

@ Joop

I think you might be on to something with the Odyssey v. Ulysses reference. The stories parallel each other, but are separate, individual stories. The 815 story has inspired the 316 story, but they are not the same story.

[Waiting for Lost]

I think the epi was only OK. I miss the Left Behinders. The opening was excellent but it was pretty clear after the inital eye-opening that it was Jack back on the island not some flashback type deal. After that I think it had an almost 'I've been spoiled' feel. The fact we saw Kate and Hurley on the island was shocking but they never told us the why they went which given what we knew before is likely to be interesting. It would have been better without the opening scene as it was all a bit "Oh come on get to the island" part. I think the writers may have been a little too smart going for the almost flashback motive. After the start really only the final scene mattered, Jin is his Dharma suit. Didn't notice what it said for him as a job. Wonder what the rest of the Left Behinders do ? Does Sawyers say con-man I wonder ? Also how do the Left Behinders explain their arrival on the island to the Dharma folk ? Between the two on island scenes there was some interesting story telling, some answers and some questions posed but as I said I think the episode was, not ruined, but spoiled by the opening scene.

[Puneet]

!!!!! Any1 notice the weird muslim type guy on plane was also with jack in movie vantage point . cooool

[Andrew]

@oddjob

How come Ben's a mess, and nobody on the plane noticed?

I think they do notice but just don't care because its Ben. As for the flight staff they probally would not say anything since he is a first class passenger and do not want to offend him. (Then again the crew could be "with" Ben).