LOSTCasts 71: Jughead and The Little Prince

This podcast focuses on season 5, episodes 3 & 4 of LOST, Jughead and The Little Prince. Join Robert, Matt and John as we discuss general reactions and changes from seasons past, as well as time travel and speculation about the connections between characters, the literary meaning of The LIttle Prince, Ajira Airways and much more.

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Links related to podcast:
Wikipedia on Jughead and Operation Castle
Wikipedia on Vulgar Latin
Wikipedia on The Little Prince
Ajira Airways website

LOST links:
Washington Post on LOST

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Comments

[Sobaika]

I can't get the podcasts soon enough! Thanks, guys!

[Tank]

I've listened to all the different Podcasts and this is the best one out there. Welcome back Jin. Do people think Penny is going to die this season or do you think Ben isn't going to kill her?

[Mc Hamster]

Awww ... the podcast keeps getting shorter and shorter. Two episodes in 45 minutes.
Not amused...

[Sayid+Jack=DurtyIslandLove]

Hey, The Little Prince may or may not be a reference to Aaron, but its also another literary reference.

The Little Prince is the English translation of Le Petit Prince, a trippy French children's book.

Probably refers to Danielle's party.

[Mark B]

One thing I thought of is that Jin may not be time jumping like Sawyer et al but could have drifted to the island on a different bearing (like the Dr. who turned up on the island before he died on the freighter) so is in fact in 1988 with Danielle and will stay there until whenever, (I guess the incident which is the first flash if that's not happened already -- which it may have done). That way the writers could tell the whole Danielle story without having Jin jump out at the next flash of course this would not improve the "Why does Danielle not remember Jin ?" hole in plot. Then again I suppose Sawyer et al could become stuck in 1988 as well.

Furthermore Jin being stuck in 1988 would also confuse the "How does Ben prove Jin is alive to Sun" problem.

My (stolen from a freind) take on that is : Jin meets up with Locke and co before Locke leaves the island (1988). Since Locke wants to convince the O6 to come back, the obvious way for Locke to convince Sun is to convince her Jin is alive. So, Jin gives his wedding ring to Locke. (He would anyway because he would want her to know he is alive.) Locke brings this off island. Ben gets the ring when Locke dies.

Enough of my ramblings .....

[Mark B]

Having given this some more thought (anything is better than working) .....

The Left-Behinders are now in the same time as Danielle and Jin so perhaps what happens is this.......

1. Jin (having jumped around like the Left Behinders) stays with Danielle and her team.

2. Danielles crew begin to explore the island and Montand loses his arm. Black Smoke monster anyone ?

3. Left Behinders head to Orchid (now stuck in '88)

4. Meanwhile the rest of the Danielles crew are getting sick and get killed by Danielle

(Q. why does she not kill Jin ? A. he does not get sick cause he's immune as he's ok in the future so can't die in the past BUT then that's even more reason for her to remember him. Perhaps he just runs away when she starts killing people. As Matt said in the cast, she seems slightly mad so perhaps she forgets him due to the madness).

5 Jin luckily meets up with Left-Behinders, probably running out of the jungle almost getting shot by them in the process (reminder of a previous episode when someone runs out of the jungle almost being shot by someone but I don't remember who or when .... probably happened a couple of times)

6. Locke turns Donkey wheel and leaves island, travelling to Jack-Kate time (2008) in the real world to become Jeremy Bentham

7. Left Behinders and Jin (but not Danielle cause she's dead in the future so can't jump) all jump one more time to either when the end of S4 time or (more likely) to Jack-Kate time but on the island. This would be the end of the jumping (I hope).

Only problem with all that is either the whole Danielle back-story mystery is going to have to happen very quickly (i.e. in less than a few days on island time -- how long would it take Locke to get to the Orchid and turn the wheel of fortune ?) or it will go untold. I always assumed the sickness was a progressive thing and she killed them over a few weeks or even months not in a few days. But then I suppose the girl on the freighter who jumped off the boat in chains went mad after a few days so it could be the case.

[Happenstance]

To be honest I think im done with Lostcasts, they have just become boring and the chat about episodes isnt nearly what it used to be in previous seasons.

Plus 45 minutes for a 2 episode special just isnt good enough

[IHateSpoilers]

I don't like spoilers of any kind including future episode titles! I put my trust in podcasters to warn me and give me time to tune out before they reveal those things. Please try harder to keep all spoilers in the properly marked spoiler section!!!!!

[Kunal]

Guys, 45 mins for a 2 episode podcast is bad form. And you can't blame the episodes or this season. There were many details in Jughead alone that you'll didn't touch on.
For example, like the whole Locke-Richard meeting, the compass that seems to have no point of origin and that perhaps Locke is destined to be "special" or the island's "leader" not because of some mysterious gift in his character but only because he set those events in motion himself by telling 1954 Richard to pay special attention to his life since his birth in 1956.

[Chris]

@ all that think 45 min was short for 2 episodes

I think the time amount they put in was appropriate from the amount of information from the last 2 episodes (which i believe isn't much).

There are often things in their podcasts that i think they thy might be able to go deaper into. There are also bits i think they go way deeper then are necessarily, but this is their podcast and not mine and i will keep listing to them. bad remixes and all.

[jade]

"not saving ryan's privates?
cause that's a COMPLETELY different movie"

:D thank you! bwahaha

[Waiting for LOST]

@All the 45mins is not enough people,

The guys openly admitted in this weeks cast they don't actually follow all the weird stuff anymore. They mentioned the show is "more action based" and "less cerebral" and "less mystery driven". I agree, this takes away a lot of what the guys used to do.

When the guys started there was perhaps two other podcasts and LOST was basically one huge mystery -- remember when we complained that we got nothing but questions and no answers. Lostcasts was the only real mystery-centric cast, I even heard other casts refered to the as 'the gold standard' of Lost podcasts. Now iTunes is full of LOST podcasts -- many copied the Lostcast format (if they have one).

Given the week off, much of Jughead had been discussed in other casts (and don't deny you don't listen to them) and Little Prince was not exactly a deep in the mystery episode.

Sometimes the answers are coming so thick and fast and it hardly seems worth all the speculation on some question just to be told next week that you were wrong. I think it was Robert who said they had gone down so many rabbit holes that ended up meaning nothing that they have kind of stopped. Matt mentioned the Ajira airlines website and the 15 or so locations the airline fly to and from as an example of something they would have in the past chased down and looked into "for days and days" but now "it's just eh".

I for one won't suggest they start as it's their time to do with what they will and would prefer some LOST good speculation from a base level than nothing.

That said I think they now sound like three regular guys talking over lunch than three geeks talking in a basement -- perhaps marriage and kids have "ungeeked" them.

If you want to run down all the rabbit holes, I'd sugest a look at J. Woods blog on the Powells Books website, man that guy does some serious research.

[Nik]

I say be happy with what you get.
It's free, these guys just do it for their own enjoyment and whatever they give I'm happy to receive.

thank you guys again for the time you do put into it. I still enjoy hearing your thoughts :)

[Chris]

I though the folks here might get a few laughs from this

http://totallylookslike.com/2009/02/08/jorge-garcia-totally-looks-like-rolf-the-dog/

[ebonX]

Here is a link to a translated transcript of what the Frenchies were saying at the end of the ep "The Little Prince" ...

http://nikkistafford.blogspot.com/2009/02/lost-504-french-translation.html

[DocWaxman]

RE: Lostcasts style and content.

I think we demand so much of John, Matt & Robert because something they
said once upon a time got us hooked. But another reason has to be that we
all love airing out our own ideas so much that either: we want to be heard
in order to find gratifying agreement online or we want a more respected
source like the Lostcasters to validate our pet LOST theories no matter
how wacky these may be. Yes, we're in an awkward moment of LOST's story-
telling where it's too early to demand that all its sci-fi mysteries be
answered, but it's also healthy to recognize what our own inner geeks
might be saying about each of us. In this respect, one of the BEST
Lostpedia articles I've EVER READ may be fairly eye-opening.
Carefully concealed w/in our LOST universe is a little touchstone
topic known simply as APOPHENIA! A feast for LOST souls:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Apophenia

IMHO, the more interesting subtopics start about halfway down the page.
(Wikipedia covers APOPHENIA too, but it's so nicely laid out for us here).
The non-LOST story they cited, "Ptosis' Dog", is most chilling of all.
It involves a very peculiar dog name "NUNU" (j/k, read on Jorge).
Anyway, kind of a kick in the shorts, and a good reminder not to take
ourselves too seriously.

If anyone feels they can find better podcasting provendor elsewhere,
then "vaya con Smokey," folks! So far these 3 guys have been a class act.
Remember all those 2007 hater-posters? Never a harsh word from these 3!
So what if there's a little Brian Linder brain splatter on the ceiling?!?
So what if action sequences take over our favorite show for a while?!?
So...check out some other sites for places to vent. One well-known
source plays LOTS of listener comments in their frenetically paced show,
and they discuss everything into the ground. Just for laughs, get
unplugged w/a little "Official UK Lost Podcast." "ThEmIsFiTiShErE" is
good for a few anal-ytical laughs. J Wood sports a little too much wood
over tenuous connections for my taste; kind of makes me feel dirty.
Doc Jensen is fun...I'm just jealous that he gets show screeners.
"The ODI": great for spoiler-lovers (so, not even mentioned in Lostpedia.
Kinda sounds like Juan Williams from NPR. Yes we can...spoil the show).
Hey! Jorge Garcia's blog "dispatchesfromtheisland" is pretty damned
fantastic! Online fantasy leagues and numbers games & quizzes?
Not so much.

The very best LOSTCasts for my money were in that 1st year of
tearing things apart organically with lots of great exchanges
and speculation that built up to something really satisfying
while still leaving you hungry for more of the TV show.
That time will come again as LOST ties up the really big loose ends.
For those of us who have followed LOST form the beginning, waiting for
that really good stuff on screen this year or next will be extra painful!
So, when will the Darlton Godhead once again shower us with more of that
choicest of sci-fi candy?!? That's the real cerebral mystery here.

Waxman

[DocWaxman]

LOST S1 & S2 on Blu-Ray, available in 2009:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Lost-Seasons-1-and-2-on-Blu/11129

Cool!

Waxman

[hd]

PODCAST TOO SHORT.
WHAT GIVES!? :)

[Erig]

Yeah, I agree you guys are sort of slipping. I know you guys are busier than you were in past seasons, but you missed quite a few points. The compass, the fact that Widmore looks younger than he should in the present (he should be in his 80s if he was in his 20s in 1954), Sawyer seeing Claire giving birth to Aaron, and so on. I know there aren't as many mysteries, but you're missing big plot points.

Also, you got some things wrong.

-You said the "donkey wheel" was near the Swan hatch. It's not. It's near the Orchid, which is nowhere near the Swan.

-You said Widmore knowing where Faraday's mother is was evidence she isn't Ms. Hawking. BUT Widmore says Daniel's mom is in LA, which is were Ben and Hawking talked about having 70 hours to get back to the island. So if anything it's proof Faraday's mom IS Ms. Hawking.

But I still really love this podcast, and hope you guys keep doing it. I just think your slip-ups and the length is disappointing when you look back on how in depth you used to go in seasons 2, 3, and 4.

[jenn]

I think you guys do a great job and I look forward to your podcast every Sunday. Also thanx to Doc Waxman for all of his posts.

[afan]

Just a few Joe Six-Packs hangin' out, talkin' bout LOST. What happened?

[David]

There's plenty of analysis on this blog:
http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/

Brian writes Pre-episode and Port-Reaction posts, with nice paragraphs and screencaps.

[Erig]

Ms. Hawking was confirmed to be Faraday's mom in tonight's episode, as if it wasn't obvious. She was in LA, not "wherever" as you said. "Wherever" was the best your memory could come up with? Really? Who are you and what did you do with the over-analytical nerd I used to listen to on this podcast? ;P

[Nik]

anyone else think it's a bit funny that previously Ms. Hawking was all 'God Help Us All' to getting all of the O6 back to the island within 70 hours, and yet after tonight's episode when only 3 + Ben showed up she was all 'well I guess it's a start..'.

[Chris]

What i don't get is why if ben and hawking are "helping"? the island do they always have such evil looks.

[Nik]

another thought I had was about Danielle, and her being pregnant.

It seems that somehow the island (..or smokey?) brainwashed or manipulated her team to kill her...could it be because she was pregnant? And is it the same reason that women can't get pregnant on the island? For some reason, the island doesn't want people to procreate on it, perhaps?

[Jackeduplockedown]

Fantastic Final Scene

Kudos to all those on the Christian Shepard is Jacob bandwagon from the start. Now we just need to figure out what the F that means and we'll be all set.

Interesting to find out how far back this Jacob thing goes now. Obviously Jacob can project himself anywhere and anytime; Walt has some sort of ability to do this, what about Locke? Will he gain that ability or can he now only live on the Island? How about Alpert is his ability the same or is it a separate thing entirely. Remember Ben's comment "You do remember Birthday's don't you Richard?"

So a few things
1. We're led to believe Jack's dad is Jacob and he probably is.
2. The problem with this is how does Jack's dad age on the real world but exist on the Island
3. Richard who is at least 100's of years old knew of Jacob as Jacob in 1954 when Locke visited him.
4. Jacob can only be seen by certain people; Ben and Locke are the only two confirmed. Richard can't see him.

So all in all is Jack's Dad really Jacob and how does all that crap work?

I'm thinking one of two scenarios both full of holes right now.

#1 Jack's Dad is actually from the past like way back pre or near four-toed statue days. He learned of the Island's powers and was in tune with them and was selected by the Island to be it's protector and granted eternal life on the Island, like Alpert has (assuming for theory's sake)and Locke will get and like Ben and Widmore want.

As part of his initiation or "work" like Locke is going through now Christian had to travel to the future and live a life making certain things happen to ensure that everything necessary was done for this crucial moment in the Islands history to ensure it's preservation. Thus he left behind all the people of his time, which may or may not have included Alpert and now has finally been able to return to the Island in body and in spirit.

#2 Jacob is not Jack's dad but rather can manifest himself as whatever he sees fit. Jacob is also Ben's Mom, Kate's Horse or maybe rather those are manifestations created by Jacob. This is why Ben says only certain people can see Jacob and he used to be able to but now he can't. Jacob can only be seen by who he wants to be seen by, same as heard. Jacob is the spirit of the Island and has existed as long as the Island has. It's sole purpose like any other living thing is to ensure it's survival.

So those are my thoughts on the major issue, I liked the episode.

Good time for a character to die, the actress did a nice job and I enjoyed her character.

Good bye to Charlotte and another nice call by the majority of viewers who predicated an Island Childhood for her. Really cool reveal with Daniel as the creepy time traveler guy with the ominous warning given not a thought until it came to fruition.

Didn't for the Sun and Ben showdown, it was predictable in the CSI sense. I'm really starting to see just how much the setting and the make-up of the Island scenes does for the believability of the actors. The off-Island scenes are rough.

Thought the Rousseau story was a bit rushed and sloppy and felt more like a nod to long time fans, that said I appreciated it and I think it also serves to let us know that we can feel free to tie a lot of those loose ends up ourselves using Occams razor. Did find it interesting to note that smoke monster was the cause of the Sickness, that or Danielle was actually the one who went mad. I wonder if\when we'll get the Alex kidnapping story.

I also think the fact that we we're reintroduced to the smoke monster and Jacob and a temple in the same episode is more then just a coincidence. I'm pretty sure Smokey is Jacob's security system.

Wondering when the Island will end up and what else will happen between Island time and real time before our off-Island Losties return.

I am as confused as everyone else about how it seems so imperative to have them all according to Ben, Elly Hawking and Jacob, but now they are going to get started with just the three. My guess is they are going to explain to them, and lucky us we'll get to hear, a lot about the Island and what it is and what will happened if they go back and what will happen if they don't. There is 70 some episodes of build up and explaining to do in just 20+ remaining episodes, expect a lot of information and quick from here on out. Look at the start of this season for goddness sakes. In three weeks we Charles Widmore was on the Island at a young age, Elly Hawking is Faraday's Mom, Jack's Dad is Jacob, Time-travel 101, Rousseau encountered Jin and did kill here crew in 1988 on and on and on. Imagine if we got all those reveals in a month is season three...we'd have lost it. We got excited when we found a station or some ambiguous map back then.

Good show Lost writers, creators and actors my favorite and strong as ever.