LOSTCasts 74: The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham

This podcast focuses on season 5, episode 7 of LOST, The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham. Join Matt and John as we question Ben's role as protector of the island, speculation about the upcoming "war" Widmore mentions, where we're at in the timeline on the island, Walt's future role and more.

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Links related to the podcast:
Lostpedia on episode 7
Screencap of Hurley's Sphinx drawing
Edgar from UK's pictures of Jeremy Bentham pub

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Comments

[WeakLemonDrink]

> Join Matt and John

It's going to be a good one!

[mark]

Episode league table.

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/02/episode-league-table-season-5-week-6.html

[Paul P Roche]

Thank you as ever

[Sobaika]

YESSS! Thank you.

[connor]

Thanks guys, can't wait to listen http://www.connorclements.tv

[Eric from Double Feature]

Just a heads up for the future, it's AB-A-DON, not a-badon. Also the old other were never seen wearing hoods, just beat up clothing. Great show this week though, I'm glad you guys are still putting them out even without the whole crew. Look forward to it next week!

[Alex]

I think Locke, Ben, and the new people are in the future, not the past because the canoe with the Ajira items was at the beach when the camp was already there. Also, I really am not thinking Christian is Jacob since he said he wasn't in Cabin Fever.

[Mike in the Box]

First: Where did you get confirmation that Sun was the woman who went off with Lapidus? That was never mentioned. I assumed it was the flight attendant who went with him.

Second: I stand by my theory that Jack, Kate, Hurley, and presumably Sun and Sayid are in DHARMA time (circa 1960-70) while the rest of the Ajira flight are in the present (circa 2008).

Third: That was the runway that Juliet had Sawyer and Kate working on.

Forth: The Hydra station is empty because that group of people are in the present (2008).

[Dan]

One thought I had was what if John is not supposed to kill himself, but needs to be killed by another means? Ben, i think, knows this. That is why he kills John. Maybe someone already said this, but I didn't remember hearing it in the podcast. Take Christian Sheppard for example. Did he dies from alcoholism or something else. I can't remember.

[MisterMingo]

Yeah, guys I think you're confused on when Locke, Caesar, and Ilana are in time. The Ajira plane landed in 2008-2009 or so, not in the 70s. That's why Caesar said Hurley vanished. He, Jack, and Kate went back to Dharma times, Locke, Sun, Ben, and Lapidus are in the present. At least, that's my guess. Seemed pretty obvious to me since the Hydra station was abandoned.

Which brings up a thought. Is the smaller Hydra island affected by time the same as the main island? Is that why they're in the present? Just a thought.

[Mike in the Box]

Why do people think that Sun is with the Lapidus and the Ajira people? Can someone point me to a clue about that?

[Copyhacker]

I hope I'm wrong, but the scene with Walt felt like he was being written out of the show--an awkward loose end they wanted to tie up as quickly as possible. Same thing with Abaddon's death, although I can understand that one, since the actor has a new gig.

BTW, are you guys on Twitter?

[Chris]

@Copyhacker

I don't think he is out of the show. Locke was brought to Walt because he is another one that needs to come back to the island apparently. Though Locke didn't ask him because he feels like he has "been through too much already" Locke was also not going to ask Sun, but fate brings her in anyway. I don't think he will ever have a big roll but I'm guessing we haven't seen the last of Walt.

[Jackeduplockedown]

Also wondering why we think Sun left with Lapedis...

[MisterMingo]

I think Sun is with Lapidus because 1) she wasn't with Jack, Kate, and Hurley, 2) she's standing in front of Ben in the preview for next week. But I mean, who else would run off with Lapidus? Some stranger?

[Ash]

It sounds like Sun left with Lapidus because she's the only other woman we know on the flight since Kate's already with Jack, plus we didn't see her with either the injured people or Jack.

Also I came across a theory that Ben may have killed Locke because of the promise on Gin and not because of Hawking. Haven't heard it mentioned anywhere else so worth a read:
http://www.tvshark.com/read/?art=arc3173

[Mike in the Box]

The other woman could have easily been the flight attendant and not Sun.

[Jackeduplockedown]

@mister Mingo

No big deal on this one, but please do not post promo spoilers without marking them.

I know I am not the only one here who intentionally avoids previews as well as all other spoilers

[Mark B]

My assumption is that Sun should not be with Lapidus as she like the other members of the O5 (6 minus Aaron) should be with Jin in Dharma times as surely she was "zapped" out of the plane like the rest were. Proof of this is that Ben. Casaer and Ilana were al sat near the O5 but were not "zapped". It would be a bit of a hole is she was not zapped but everyone else was. It must be the swardess but why did they not refer to her as such "the pilot and stewardess" rather than "the pilot and some woman".

As for the time when the 316ers are ..... not sure but the Hydra station didn't look it was abandoned that long ago so it can't be too far into the LOST future. But it has to be post-Dharma and post-Others or they'd be there. I'm going with 2008.

[Mark B]

Sorry that should have read.

Proof of this is that Ben and Lapidus whilst being from, or having been on, the island did not get zapped but Jack/Kate and Hurley, who are all members of the O5, did. Casaer and Ilana didn't get zapped but were very close to the O5 so it can't be location on the plane. Therefore Sun (and Sayid) should have been zapped. We've not seen Sayid so I assume he's in Dharma days just on a different part of the island.

[Hamish Thompson]

Do you think maybe Hurley is the model for the sphinx? Same hairstyle....

Got me thinking. Easter Island statues - Jack Shepherd lookalikes....

[Kristin]

Hey guys,

Just started listening to this weeks episode and got to the disagreement about whether Ben or Widmore is "working for the island". I have two comments. 1) Who says that white is good and black is bad (in backgammon)? They are simply polar opposites and don't necessarily represent good and evil. 2) Ben didn't kill Locke in response to the Jin/Sun thing. He killed Locke as soon as Locke mentioned needing to see Eloise Hawking. I think that is the key - something about Locke needing to see Hawking and Ben interfering. I have no idea where this leads, but the murder was definitely in response to Hawking's mention.

[Kristin]

Addendum to above:

Sorry guys! I just finished your podcasts and heard you discuss the Ms. Hawking mentioned right before the murder thing. Should have listened through before posting. :)

[Brian]

A couple random notes after watching 316 and TLADOJB:

Does the Lamppost explain the Dharma food drops? or does the island moving around in time explain that?

We have seen previously that Sayid does somehow infiltrate the Dharma Initiative, so he is in the past. Interesting side point - go back and watch the first scene of the first episode this season - is that Sawyer behind the camera filming Marvin Candle?

[Spalz]

Anyone ever think back to Michael? When he wanted to kill himself the island wouldnt let him. He tried a few times and a few ways and the island never let that happen. What if the same would have been true for Locke? Would the island not let him kill himself if he did jump off that table in the hotel room? I'm thinking that Ben knew that he would have been unsuccessful in the attempt, and he stepped up and took the responsibility and killed him. That would make sense.
With all the twists that keep coming, I think we're going to find out that Ben's really a good guy, and he does what he has to do for the good of the island.