LOSTCasts 78: Follow the Leader

This podcast focuses on season 5, episode 15 of LOST, Follow the Leader. Join Matt and John as we discuss Jack's task, Locke's new role and speculation about the season finale and what's to come next season.

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We'll see you next week! Stay LOST!

Comments

[mark b]

Podcast out a day early ? You know people will complain don't you ? Thanks guys.

[Scott in Philly]

good recap on the GI Joe movie... i gave up when one of the freakin Wayan's brothers said "what do these acceleration suits accelerate?" and the answer was "you"

barf

[JZ]

Great podcast! Thanks guys.

[priscilla]

awesome. i'm totally downloading it now! can't wait to hear what you guys think about the episode. frankly, i think that jack is going to blow up the bomb, and that is going to cause "the incident". since whatever happened happened, he has already done this in the past, so the incident has already happened. that's my idea. when is someone going to kill kate? she is so irritating lately.

[Lucidlife]

@priscilla

I couldn't agree more about Kate. She's been wearing the red shirt for awhile now. My gut tells me that Hurley is next, just because that would make the biggest splash, but then again, it could be Ben for going against Smokey's wishes. Much gnashing of garments and rending of teeth could still be imminent with a Ben death.....for my part I hope it's Ben and not Hugo. Kate is in my crosshairs though. maybe Juliet fianlly snaps and just chokes Kate to death in the sub bathroom?

[Logo Lou]

I call BS on "the numbers has been answered". Has the words "Valenzeti equation" even been uttered on the show? I sure don't remember it. In fact he first time I ever heard ANY explanation related to what Damon said was on podcasts talking about The Lost Experience game thing, which is fine, but doesn't count. I watch the show, I don't play the games. Was their an actual episode of the show that broke it down as Damon apparently thinks it did? Hell, why not make what's his name from Via Domus Jacob then if they want to wuss out.

[DannyBoy]

this isn't related to anything recently, but my money is on the final scene been shot of the statue, moving slowly upward from the four toes and showing who it is....... my guess is alpert

[Biolite]

I haven't heard the podcast yet but I do have to chime in about Kate. MAN, that chick has GOT TO GO! I can understand her motivation in both saving Ben and not helping Jack, but still. Super annoying! She DOES need to get her ass kicked by Juliette in the can on the submarine.

~Biolite

[BBax]

Don't think that a hydrogen bomb going off would be referred to as "the incident." Hydrogen bomb = eveyone dies and no more island. If what happened, happened, then that's obviously impossible.

Remember when Pierre Chang freaked out over the two rabbits coming in contact from different time periods? Could be that Miles meeting his old self causes the incident...

[Chris in Ohio]

i was playing a game online that even though it has nothing to do with lost kinda reminded me of lost or at least what is going on now. Thought i would share.

http://www.miniclip.com/games/chronotron/en/

[Rob]

Is it becoming Star Trek cast?

[Chris in Ohio]

i prefer startrek chat over the techno remixes.

[Scott in Philly]

@Logo Lou

I back you completely after listening to the most recent OLP where damon & carlton refer to the Pierre Chang video shot by Faraday. We here his voice & listen to chang talk to people in the future and about "something called the internet"

Damon & carlton suggested that was a plot point they simply didn't have time to explore in the show and that we should NOT take anything other than the actual episodes as "canon" to the LOST storyline.

we've never had the actual show explain the numbers - that definitely came out in alternate reality games and online "orientation" videos. soooo I call BS on that too.

looking back I really wish they had not gone the ARG, comic-con, mobisode, etc. content... it's created a bunch of rabbit trails that they don't have time or money to explore and now, apparantly, don't mean shit. i wish they would've just stuck to the show & filled in all the theories & explanations in-show.

[Lucidlife]

An excellent piece of fan-made Lost lore:

http://r2witco.tumblr.com/post/106364447/maniacalrage-locke-vs-jacob-via-brad-the

[Mike in the Box]

Hey everyone, I created a LOST Bingo game to play while watching the finale. Get some friends together and make a fun night of it. Here is the link:
http://mythirdplace.org/LOSTBingo.pdf

[Rob]

I think everyone has pretty much forgotten about Rose and Bernard

[Lucidlife]

@Mike in the Box, nice job on the bingo! I especially love 'Ben gets punched in the face'

[Mike in the Box]

Thanks Lucidlife. I even made an "Orientation Video" to give instructions. I will post it.

[Chad]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but, I don't think Locke or Desmond ever told anyone about Desmond causing the crash by not pushing the button. If they didn't how does Jack know that blowing up the bomb will prevent the building of the hatch the lead to their crash?

For some reason I remeber Jack saying last week that setting off the bomb will stop the swan (the hatch)from being built there for preventing their crash. Or does Jack just want to blow up the whole island to end it knowing or not knowing about Desmond being late to push the button.

Maybe I'm over analyzing this but it's been bugging me.

[Mike in the Box]

Here is my "Orientation video" for the bingo game I posted earlier. If you want to use them feel free. Have a LOST party and have a great night!

http://mythirdplace.org/orientation.mov

here is the bingo link:
http://mythirdplace.org/LOSTBingo.pdf

[Lucidlife]

@Mike in the Box, your orientation video is awesome!

[Chad]

Here's a theory for yall. The incident is what is going to send the dharma losties back to the future (2007). Richard said he watched them all die when Sun asked about Jin and the 815er's. Richard is with Jack. Somehow Jack causes the incident using the bomb, I have a feeling that everyone will be present while Jack blows it up or whatever.

We see a flash, the losties end up in the jungle or on the beach in 2007, they vanish infront of Richard leading him to beleive they are dead (weak reasoning on my part, because Richard has already seen people vanish in front of him but sometime thats what we get on lost). Any thoughts, I know it's almost show time but if you get a chance please comment and let me know what you think.

[MrWhisper]

Did anyone ever read The Stand by Stephen King? It ends with "the dark man" coming to a new civilization after being defeated trying to destroy what was left of our modern civilization. The end of the book is, "Life was such a wheel that no man could stand upon it for long. And it always, at the end, came round to the same place again."

I'm willing to bet the end of Season 6 will reveal Jacob and Smokey/Esau on the beach again with yet another group of "test subjects" to prove humanity is essentially good or evil and, thus, the cycle continues.

[MrWhisper]

Also, I don't think Smokey/Esau was ever trying to "judge" people to determine whether they were worthy of living. Rather, Smokey/Esau was trying to determine whether the human was essentially good or evil AND/OR whether the human was able/willing/manipulable enough to help him kill Jacob.

[Jeffinthe9]

That was an amazing how. Does anyone think that the statue looks like "sobek" from egyptian mythology? Google it. . . .

Thoughts and Jacob being in white and his "friend" being in black. A simple illusion of good and evil? The "friend" couldnt kill Jacob so he has Ben do it while taking the shape of Locke.

"They are coming" ..was that Jacob telling the "friend" that Jack and gang are coming back ..or forward to the island's present time?

On another note, now we know how Dr Chen (mile's old man) lost his arm, as we noticed in the Dharma videos from after the "event"

[Rok]

Had a bleary-eyed discussion with my wife about this on the drive into work this morning, and I get the impression that Jacob and what's-his-face from the beginning of the episode are the personifications of free will and destiny. Two sides of the same coin, seemingly at odds, but must exist at all times.

On the one hand, Jacob is helpful, but always trying to remind people they have a choice in the road they take (reminding Kate she doesn't have to steal, reminding Hurley he doesn't have to get on the plane, reminding Ben he doesn't have to kill him). If I had to guess, he's the "bright light" being that appeard to Locke ages ago in Season 1 and to which Locke alluded to verbally in (I think) Season 2.

On the other hand, I am now 99% convinced that the other man is the Dark Smoke monster, and he is also this new "dark Locke" roaming around (the "loophole" is that he finally found a form he could adopt in which everyone would listen to unconditionally and allow him to kill Jacob, too). Ben's confrontation with his daughter/monster happened conveniently outside of Dark Locke's presence. I also remember way back when Eko confronted his brother and basically told him to go piss up a rope, that's when the Smoke Monster killed him. He broke from the destiny that he should have followed and exerted free will enough to break free from it. At which point, the Monster had to kill him to get him out of the way. The only person, then, who has broken from their destined track and still gotten away with it, the path that they should have followed given everything else up until that point, is Desmond when he turned that key.

Pursuing this line of thought, the Monster's ability to adopt forms is to influence people to continue down those pre-defined roads to the bitter end. He is the Christian Sheppard we've seen, influencing both Locke and Jack to pursue a path that both continues the time loop and gets him a host in which he can inhabit. Still not sure if he was the Walt "apparitions" we saw, or if that was actually Walt projecting somehow. Those early days when Walt spoke backwards may have been the Smoke Monster still working out how to appear to these folks. And if we follow this line of reasoning, and the fact that Jacob was at the statue this whole time, then when Christian "spoke on behalf of Jacob" at the cabin in the woods, that was a total lie to get Locke to start events (moving the island) that would get us to the present day.

Apparently, both Dark Locke and Jacob can interact with the real world, but that can't seem to come in contact with each other. And they certainly cannot kill each other. That drawing on the temple wall where Ben meets the Smoke Monster seemed to have the Smoke Monster and the statue god facing each other. In conversation or confrontation? Now another question: who is this third group? Certainly, they follow Jacob from way back, but have no association with The Others as we have known them.

I gotta say, I like Lapidus more and more every time we see him. He reminds me of some old-school 70's tough guy, and a good contrast to the other characters we've had on the island.

My thoughts might not be the most cohesive, but it's still pretty early in the a.m., so maybe I'l have more later.

Stay Lost.

P.S. Hey, Jacob, when you're talking to someone who's holding a knife and says "what about me?", you probably don't want tor espond with "what ABOUT you?"