LOSTCasts 79: The Incident

In this final podcast focuses on the season 5 finale of LOST, The Incident, parts 1&2. Join Matt, Robert and John as we talk about Jacob and his "adversary", speculation about their rivalry and the "loophole." We also discuss what might be in store for next season and the finale of the show.

Download podcast #79 here

Links related to the podcast:
Screencap of Jacob's tapestry
Wikipedia entry for Sobek
Enotes on Flannery O'Conner's Everything that Rises Must Converge

Join us next season! Stay LOST!

Comments

[Florian]

Namaste from Germany!

I like your show much - and, I hpoe, to have you back with season 6.

Wow, what an end...

...LOST!

[monika]

hi guys, after germany another international post - from slovakia:-) i have been listening to you since the very beginning of lostcasts and always love your thoughts. do you plan any theory casts during this summer?

[Frankmagnet]

Another International post - from Ireland :)

Thanks for all your time and effort lads. Hope ye are back next season to finish the journey along with the rest of us.

Have a great summer.

[Paddy]

Well Europe again, UK this time, thanks for some great shows guys have a great hiatus, Hope to see you for the final season.

[Boondoggle]

You guys suck.

[Kunal]

I'm in India. I thought the finale and the season as a whole was simply amazing. Maybe not as good as the first three seasons but better than season 4 in my opinion, so the series certainly isn't going downhill. In fact the stage is set for a great final season.

I hope you guys manage to podcast every episode next season. It'll be the end of an extraordinary era on television. I don't even feel like calling Lost a tv show. It's so much more than that and definitely deeper and more intelligently written than anything else I've seen on TV or even most of the movies coming out nowadays. It's an intricate mythology, and we haven't even seen the grand ending yet.

So stay with us till the end Matt, Robert and John....and guys....try not to wrap up next season's finale in just 48 minutes :-P

[Del]

Thanks for the casts these four years.
A few things I was wondering about, is the whole inability to make babies on the Island Jacob's way of keeping his adversary from becoming human? This would be why Ben was working so hard on the baby project, to find a way (passover?) around Jacob's curse.

[Darkjohnson]

When was it clearly established that the smoke monster can take human form?

Forever people have been promoting this theory but has there been an official word on it?

[lburf]

I think the opening scene with Jacob was probably the most insightful conversation in the show so far, in regards to the overall direction of the theories behind the show.

[mdc1623]

The bomb didn't go off. The flash of light was a time leap, probably when Desmond returns to the island. The bomb survives and becomes the fail safe mechanism that Desmond detonates.

[mdc1623]

What happened, happend. Dead is Dead.

[mdc1623]

What happened, happened and Dead is dead.

[mdc1623]

Sorry for the double post I'm new at this.

@Darkjohnson:
I don't remember seeing that it was officially established and juxtaposition doesn't prove cause and effect, but when Sun and Lapidus walk up the dock we hear noises and see leaves move that typically indicate smoke monster presence and the next being they see is Christian (smoke monster?).

When Ben tries to summon the smoke monster when he is with "Locke" and waits outside for it, we hear the same noises and see the leave move in the same typical fashion. Then out of the woods comes "Locke" or "Locke/Smoke monster"? How does "Locke" know exactly where to find the smoke monster? Why does "Locke" move out of sight just before the smoke monster confronts Ben and re-appear after it recedes?

[Mark B]

If this all turns out to be Trading Places there are going to be a lot of angry people. Mind you I kind of like the idea that it's all Gods playing with people.

Next season could start anywhere and be anything. Kind of a cop out really. I trust the writers though.

[Jenny]

No mention of the Esau/Jacob story? No details about Sobek? And you missed the compass time loop last week (though now we know that "the Adversary" changes that up). I look forward to your podcasts, but this one just killed me! And Jacob didn't tell Sawyer that he shouldn't finish the letter, the guy who talked to him after Jacob left did. Also, why is Radzinsky so dead set on drilling into the electromagnetic pocket, and why does he have so much power in the island? I thought that there would also be more discussion about how dumb it is that all decisions about the bomb are being made because of Kate. We also found out the Eloise was the leader in the 70s and was pregnant at the time. In addition, if they are going to start the next season back on the original plane, we need everybody back (Boone, Shannon, etc.), which seems unlikely.

There was no reason to wrap this up in 48 minutes, though I do appreciate the effort.

[MGM]

Who is the woman that plays Alana??? She is too hot!

[Fletch]

I agree with the above post. I can understand that you have lives etc, but your podcasts used to be so in depth. Hurley freaking called in to say that he loved your podcast because of its speculative theory-driven nature! For a couple of guys that spent an hour and 45 minutes discussing the blastdoor map, I don't get why you've been blowing through each episode with seemingly no effort at all. Look at your links! As if we all didn't look up screencaps after the episode. I'm glad you think its a joke that you started something, grew a fanbase, and then totally crapped out on it.

For anyone that wants a podcast in the vein of what Lostcasts used to be I'd recommend the Get Lost Podcast.

[Niko the Quailman]

I await Fletch and Jenny's much more in depth, entertaining and informative podcast with interest (!).....

Great show as always guys, stay Lost!

[Chris in Ohio]

After listening to the podcast I am kind of shocked on your views of where the show is heading.

Lindelof and Cuse specifically said in this show Dead is Dead, No Alternate time lines, and No Paradoxes.

We got proof that they are holding true that dead is dead how can you think the bomb going off changed anything? That would create an alternate time line which they said isn't going to happen.

[Kunal]

The smoke monster can definitely take human form. We've seen multiple examples in the 5 seasons. Remember supposed-to-be-dead Yemi on the island trying to get Eko to repent for his sins? Yemi clearly said "You speak to me as if I were your brother". And ofcourse Eko refuses to repent is killed by the now monster who had reverted back to its smokey form.

[Rob]

Anyone have a screen cap of the god awful continuity error where Sawyer clearly has a white dog treat in his hand as Vincent comes running out the trees. You even see Vincent eat it out of Sawyers hand.

[thanks but..]

Yeah, as the above comments suggest, really phoned it this time dudes. I haven't listened to your podcast in a long time, now I remember why I left it. Your comments section from your listeners had more insight and information than the podcast itself. Even your fist-fight analysis was bad :P

[Dennis in Chicao]

It is just a game between the two deities, yet one wants to kill the other one. What happened to the Backgammon Theory? Jacob (in white) and Smokey (in black). We still have to move all the pieces in safely.

[Jeff]

Nice podcast. But I'm having a hard time buying that the bomb going off will suddenly impact what was happening in 2007. Although the show was intercutting between these two storylines, and it gave the feeling of simultaniety, the fact is, to the beach people, the bomb had already gone off. Or it didn't. But either way, it had already happened 30 years prior to the events at the statue. The instant the folks disappeared from Ajira 316 and went back in time, everything subsequent to that in 2007 was the result of whatever happened in 1977. But then again, who said this show has to follow the rules?

BTW, I was pleased to hear that someone else agrees with my idea that Jacob and Easu(?) are some sort of cosmic Randolph and Mortimer Duke.

[Mike in the Box]

I think we have a clue that the 2007 people are living on an island where the bomb already went off. When Sun and Lapidus take the outrigger to the main island, they dock at the DHARMA village. It is in disrepair and appears that no one has lived there for several years, possible since 1977. This is odd, since in that timeline, Sun had only been off of the island for 3 years. The poor shape of the village is because they are in a timeline where the bomb did go off in 1977.

[Brad K.]

Dude you're wrong.

I watched this show on history channel about the world after people and if that village was abandoned for 30 years than it would be totally gone. It looked about right for 3 years.

[chris in oly]

It is reported in a lot of places that the statue is ‘Tauweret' not Sobek.

“A giant, four-toed statue, identified by the official recap of the series as Taweret, stands on the beach of the mysterious island on the American TV series Lost. ABC”
(Here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret .)

Check out the link, but Tauweret is the god of pregnancies; wife of evil god; reported to hold the evil god back.

Still think Jacob is the white smoke monster that tried to pull Locke into the tunnels.

Still think the black smoke monster, the one with no name that Ben talks of judging people, is the guy in black talking to Jacob - hence the lack of a name. Also running around as Locke.

Two sides, one holding back the other.

Also, the talk of the final ending makes me wonder how many times Jacob and the Nameless have done the same loop in time trying to get it right.

[Chris in Ohio]

no wonder smokey is angry. he married a hippo.

[BBax]

Wow, great finale! The ending was perfect, leaving so many questions/options/theories open to chew on for 8 months.

-Will they open landing in LA like nothing happened?
-Or did the bomb not go off, rather it was a time flash?
-Will it open with an eyeball again?

Very excited for the next season. If y'all happen to get a theory cast or 2, that would be great...

ps - those of you bitching at these guys, remember what you paid for it! This is a community, why don't you help out with some research and theories instead of pissing and moaning... sheesh.

[Dave Cameron]

Sorry to say it guys, but you seem to have gone off the boil this season, I had to fast forward through the first 10 minutes of this week's podcast to actually get to any chat about Lost....and this was the season finale!!!

Started wondering whether you had the same interest or passion for the show when you took off for a few weeks (although I appreciate one of you was off to get married so fair enough) but your return show was woeful, having missed 3-4 shows to decided not to even cover them other than giving a synopsis.

Real shame, as your podcast was the best out there, nowadays I find Dark UFO's post-show blog to be far more enthusiastic and interesting than your hour long show.

[Winter]

Anyone think that the fact that John locke had to 'Enter 77' way back in that season 3 episode and that fact that the incident occured in 1977 are related?

[priscilla]

if you want to talk about bad continuity, how about the blood on juliet's face/chin in the very last scene! very distracting..

[PK]

@ mike_in_the_box: but then why was there the risk game still set up from hurley, sawyer and locke playing in 2004??

[Jes']

Seasons ago, the podcasts were much longer, and that's b/c we all (the hosts + the listeners) had no idea where the show was going; it was more rambling than anything.. they even had guests on the show (for better or worse). Since then, alot of theories have been disproved, as some things seems less important to focus on. Remember when everyone made such a big deal out of the blast door map; or the mural; or the info on the Oceanic website? The cabin doesn't seem that crucial now that it's been destroyed; I kinda LMAO when the show just tosses things away that we've been spending seasons speculating about, now that we're in the HOME STRETCH. Not everything in LOST has to be "the meat & potatoes;" some of it was seasoning for the meat & potatoes, if you know what I mean. So what if the podcast was an hour - GOOD. It's better than no podcast. Buy Guys - since this *is* the home stretch, please step it up in 2010, because not only do we expect a current analysis, but a retrospective may be in order (from a fan's point of view, rather than the network's). STAY LOST, and BE SAFE.

[frankmorris]

Yes the cabin was destroyed, but there are still gaps to be filled in. If you look at Rose and Bernard's shack closely, you will see that it and Jacob's cabin are one and the same, and in 'The man behind the curtain' we see a painting of Vicent on the wall.
Although we got an update in 'the incident' we have to ask again, what happened to Rose and Bernard?

[Scott in Philly]

http://thelostlowdown.blogspot.com/

these guys remind me of the early "lostcasts" episode.... we're much shorter here nowadays, 45 minutes. they say it's in part due to the nature of season 5... but these guys just did 20 hours of podcasting for the season finale... so i think there's plenty to talk about.... check them out if you're in need of more podcasting about LOST!

[Rob]

20 Hours? :S

[Fletch Lives]

How does one kinda LMAO? That seems like an all or nothing.

Oh and the Lostcasters suck. So do all the fanboy zombies defending their subpar efforts. God forbid anyone be critical of anything.

[Scott in Philly]

could jacob's tapestry be another version of the "mural"??

backgammon is the "oldest game in the world" - they played it in ancient times. "Two sides - one light, one dark"

Lock in Episode 2

[Penner]

Also consider it is the egyptian god of weaving. Neith. 'As the goddess of creation and weaving, she was said to reweave the world on her loom daily'.

It also matches that Jacob weaving of the destiny. I think it's hybrid of a few gods and this one looks similar has the her holding the ankh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neith

[waiting for lost]

Not supporting the 48 min cast which was on the short side but I've listened to maybe 5 other "finale" casts all of which were 2hrs or more. I'd say about a third of their time was spent either waaaaay over-analying, lame "in the know" jokes, going off topic, being self-congratulatory, rambling about nothing, or just pointing out the obvious. How anyone can podcast on a 90 minute episode for 20+ hours and keep it even close to meaningful is beyond me..... for christsake the entire season was only what, 17epis of 45mins ....less than 13 hours.

[Scott in Philly]

well, i got nothing else to do until January of 2010... so i don't mind the off-topic, etc. nature of longer casts... it's better than no lost at all!

[Mark B]

If you are looking for a "new" LOST podcast over the hiatus I noticed that a group of LOST podcasters are rewatching the entire show so far and doing reviews from a "what we know now" persepctive. The podcast is somehow linked to Lostpedia......

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lostpedia:Rewatch

First podcast on the first four episodes has been out a while but I've only just started listening, it's ok and passes time.

[John Keehler]

Guys, you're right. We've lost our touch. We won't be back for the final season.

[Cliff Ravenscraft]

If you don't care for Lostcasts, you can always come by the always excellent generally speaking lost podcast. We're great and we love Jesus.

[Tyler Blonski]

Hello fellow lost viewers, I have a question for you. I would like to know what happened to Sun's baby. I know that they showed her baby right before Sun held the gun to Bens head but I dont remember what happened to her. WHERE DID SHE GO!!!!! Any body who know post it.
GO LOST!!!!!!

[Sparky]

That was Aaron. Sun's baby is with her grandmother back in Korea.

[Erig]

No, I think Tyler meant we saw Sun talking on the phone with her mother and JiYeon before she tried to shoot Ben. The showed both Aaron and JiYeon in that scene.

[Ben]

If there are still people fascinated by the guys and there penises, I can tell you now it's Matt that has the biggest one. Stay Lost

[lostnlovinit]

YAYY!!!!

It's a while away, but at least we know when it will be!

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/11/19/this-just-in-and-the-lost-premiere-date-is…/

[Tyler Blonski]

The eye that we saw at the end of the season 5 finale, was without a doubt jack. I was rewatching season 1 and i saw the first scene of the pilot and it is definetly him.

[Tyler Blonski]

Hey lost fans i would like to know if anyone has any theories about the shoe that was hanging from the tree in the very first scene of the pilot. If this has been answered by the writers i have not heard an i just wanted to know if anyone had an idea.

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[Ed]

I for one hope the LostCasters are going to come back for the final season. Don't listen to all the complainers.

[Tyler Blonski]

Hey lost fans i would like to know if anyone has any theories about the shoe that was hanging from the tree in the very first scene of the pilot. If this has been answered by the writers i have not heard an i just wanted to know if anyone had an idea.

[Christopher Jones]

Soooooo, are you guys coming back to finish out the series? I certainly hope so, I imagine a lot of folks have fallen to the wayside in their extra-curricular pursuit of LOST discussion, but LOSTcasts is what initially sucked me into this fanboy universe and opened my eyes to all the possible levels of thinking about the show. I sincerely hope you guys have it in you to guide me through this final season.

Chris in Fort Worth