LOSTCasts 79: The Incident

In this final podcast focuses on the season 5 finale of LOST, The Incident, parts 1&2. Join Matt, Robert and John as we talk about Jacob and his "adversary", speculation about their rivalry and the "loophole." We also discuss what might be in store for next season and the finale of the show.

Download podcast #79 here

Links related to the podcast:
Screencap of Jacob's tapestry
Wikipedia entry for Sobek
Enotes on Flannery O'Conner's Everything that Rises Must Converge

Join us next season! Stay LOST!

Comments

[Florian]

Namaste from Germany!

I like your show much - and, I hpoe, to have you back with season 6.

Wow, what an end...

...LOST!

[monika]

hi guys, after germany another international post - from slovakia:-) i have been listening to you since the very beginning of lostcasts and always love your thoughts. do you plan any theory casts during this summer?

[Frankmagnet]

Another International post - from Ireland :)

Thanks for all your time and effort lads. Hope ye are back next season to finish the journey along with the rest of us.

Have a great summer.

[Paddy]

Well Europe again, UK this time, thanks for some great shows guys have a great hiatus, Hope to see you for the final season.

[Boondoggle]

You guys suck.

[Kunal]

I'm in India. I thought the finale and the season as a whole was simply amazing. Maybe not as good as the first three seasons but better than season 4 in my opinion, so the series certainly isn't going downhill. In fact the stage is set for a great final season.

I hope you guys manage to podcast every episode next season. It'll be the end of an extraordinary era on television. I don't even feel like calling Lost a tv show. It's so much more than that and definitely deeper and more intelligently written than anything else I've seen on TV or even most of the movies coming out nowadays. It's an intricate mythology, and we haven't even seen the grand ending yet.

So stay with us till the end Matt, Robert and John....and guys....try not to wrap up next season's finale in just 48 minutes :-P

[Del]

Thanks for the casts these four years.
A few things I was wondering about, is the whole inability to make babies on the Island Jacob's way of keeping his adversary from becoming human? This would be why Ben was working so hard on the baby project, to find a way (passover?) around Jacob's curse.

[Darkjohnson]

When was it clearly established that the smoke monster can take human form?

Forever people have been promoting this theory but has there been an official word on it?

[lburf]

I think the opening scene with Jacob was probably the most insightful conversation in the show so far, in regards to the overall direction of the theories behind the show.

[mdc1623]

The bomb didn't go off. The flash of light was a time leap, probably when Desmond returns to the island. The bomb survives and becomes the fail safe mechanism that Desmond detonates.

[mdc1623]

What happened, happend. Dead is Dead.

[mdc1623]

What happened, happened and Dead is dead.

[mdc1623]

Sorry for the double post I'm new at this.

@Darkjohnson:
I don't remember seeing that it was officially established and juxtaposition doesn't prove cause and effect, but when Sun and Lapidus walk up the dock we hear noises and see leaves move that typically indicate smoke monster presence and the next being they see is Christian (smoke monster?).

When Ben tries to summon the smoke monster when he is with "Locke" and waits outside for it, we hear the same noises and see the leave move in the same typical fashion. Then out of the woods comes "Locke" or "Locke/Smoke monster"? How does "Locke" know exactly where to find the smoke monster? Why does "Locke" move out of sight just before the smoke monster confronts Ben and re-appear after it recedes?

[Mark B]

If this all turns out to be Trading Places there are going to be a lot of angry people. Mind you I kind of like the idea that it's all Gods playing with people.

Next season could start anywhere and be anything. Kind of a cop out really. I trust the writers though.

[Jenny]

No mention of the Esau/Jacob story? No details about Sobek? And you missed the compass time loop last week (though now we know that "the Adversary" changes that up). I look forward to your podcasts, but this one just killed me! And Jacob didn't tell Sawyer that he shouldn't finish the letter, the guy who talked to him after Jacob left did. Also, why is Radzinsky so dead set on drilling into the electromagnetic pocket, and why does he have so much power in the island? I thought that there would also be more discussion about how dumb it is that all decisions about the bomb are being made because of Kate. We also found out the Eloise was the leader in the 70s and was pregnant at the time. In addition, if they are going to start the next season back on the original plane, we need everybody back (Boone, Shannon, etc.), which seems unlikely.

There was no reason to wrap this up in 48 minutes, though I do appreciate the effort.

[MGM]

Who is the woman that plays Alana??? She is too hot!

[Fletch]

I agree with the above post. I can understand that you have lives etc, but your podcasts used to be so in depth. Hurley freaking called in to say that he loved your podcast because of its speculative theory-driven nature! For a couple of guys that spent an hour and 45 minutes discussing the blastdoor map, I don't get why you've been blowing through each episode with seemingly no effort at all. Look at your links! As if we all didn't look up screencaps after the episode. I'm glad you think its a joke that you started something, grew a fanbase, and then totally crapped out on it.

For anyone that wants a podcast in the vein of what Lostcasts used to be I'd recommend the Get Lost Podcast.

[Niko the Quailman]

I await Fletch and Jenny's much more in depth, entertaining and informative podcast with interest (!).....

Great show as always guys, stay Lost!

[Chris in Ohio]

After listening to the podcast I am kind of shocked on your views of where the show is heading.

Lindelof and Cuse specifically said in this show Dead is Dead, No Alternate time lines, and No Paradoxes.

We got proof that they are holding true that dead is dead how can you think the bomb going off changed anything? That would create an alternate time line which they said isn't going to happen.

[Kunal]

The smoke monster can definitely take human form. We've seen multiple examples in the 5 seasons. Remember supposed-to-be-dead Yemi on the island trying to get Eko to repent for his sins? Yemi clearly said "You speak to me as if I were your brother". And ofcourse Eko refuses to repent is killed by the now monster who had reverted back to its smokey form.

[Rob]

Anyone have a screen cap of the god awful continuity error where Sawyer clearly has a white dog treat in his hand as Vincent comes running out the trees. You even see Vincent eat it out of Sawyers hand.

[thanks but..]

Yeah, as the above comments suggest, really phoned it this time dudes. I haven't listened to your podcast in a long time, now I remember why I left it. Your comments section from your listeners had more insight and information than the podcast itself. Even your fist-fight analysis was bad :P

[Dennis in Chicao]

It is just a game between the two deities, yet one wants to kill the other one. What happened to the Backgammon Theory? Jacob (in white) and Smokey (in black). We still have to move all the pieces in safely.

[Jeff]

Nice podcast. But I'm having a hard time buying that the bomb going off will suddenly impact what was happening in 2007. Although the show was intercutting between these two storylines, and it gave the feeling of simultaniety, the fact is, to the beach people, the bomb had already gone off. Or it didn't. But either way, it had already happened 30 years prior to the events at the statue. The instant the folks disappeared from Ajira 316 and went back in time, everything subsequent to that in 2007 was the result of whatever happened in 1977. But then again, who said this show has to follow the rules?

BTW, I was pleased to hear that someone else agrees with my idea that Jacob and Easu(?) are some sort of cosmic Randolph and Mortimer Duke.

[Mike in the Box]

I think we have a clue that the 2007 people are living on an island where the bomb already went off. When Sun and Lapidus take the outrigger to the main island, they dock at the DHARMA village. It is in disrepair and appears that no one has lived there for several years, possible since 1977. This is odd, since in that timeline, Sun had only been off of the island for 3 years. The poor shape of the village is because they are in a timeline where the bomb did go off in 1977.