LOSTCasts 90: Penultimate Podcast

That's right... this is not our last podcast (we'll podcast in a week or two after the finale has aired), but this is our penultimate podcast! In this podcast, we chat about our latest two episodes of season 6 of LOST, episode 15 - Across the Sea and episode 16 - What They Died For. Join Matt and John as we talk about these recent episodes, as well as the finale, and our predictions for the final two hours of LOST airing tonight, May 23rd.

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Comments

[Eric from Double Feature]

A matter of hours now, the wait is driving me nuts. I've been really bummed about the season, but now I find myself oddly excited for the finale. I haven't had the opportunity to watch two and a half hours of new un-seen Lost since the season 1 DVDs.

Exciting!

[Stu]

It's airing at 5am in the UK, so it'll be tomorrow before I see it. Expecting lots of unresolved plot holes...but probably just enough spectacle and emotion to paper over the cracks ;)

[Paddy]

Hoping we see Claire air lifted off the island by a helicopter like Desmond told Charlie

[Brian]

you just wanted an excuse to use the word "penultimate"

[Daniel DiVita]

I just want to extend my deepest gratitude to you guys. I always looked forward to Mondays when I could download the podcast and get some intelligent insight into the show. Rock out guys and I guess.....Get LOST

[Jon W]

Long time no comment from me. Don't know if you recall the name but no matter. I'd just like to say thank you for the Podcasts, even if your lives got in the way of it from time to time I've always been grateful for these 'casts. Now there is now more LOST, there can be no more LOSTCasts. Sad day indeed.

Anyway, I've heard the finale get a lot of stick. I'm not it's biggest fan but can respect the writers and what they went for. I guess we all just have to 'Let go'.

Thanks again you guys, been a pleasure listening to your 'interesting' Podcasts, I've been here since you guys started and I'm here when you'll eventually end. It's been fun guys.

Finally, "You can go now, LOSTCasts."

Jon W.

[Jenny K]

The finale of LOST reminded very much of the parts of the ending of the Chronicles of Narnia series by C.S. Lewis. Remember that the connection exists due to Charlotte's name. In this last book, the main characters (Jill and Eustace) enter Narnia for the last time via a train crash. They have all sorts of adventures there and are present when that world ends. When they get to the end of the book, Aslan tells them that they died in the train crash. I struggled with reconciling the action on the island with the scenes of the abandoned plane wreckage at the very end of the show. Something similar to The Last Battle offers a way of explanation.

Jenny K

[James]

Matt, you were spot on at 36 minutes in about Jack being the one to go, and Hurley being the replcement. Even down to the neck slash thing, well done!

[Paddy]

Well LOST is over Thought it was great and lasted longer than my marriage so all in all a result

[ray]

I hear that some of the losties have new acting jobs...Linus and Locke are going to tour in a new production of the ...ODD COUPLE... emerson as felix unger and well o'quinn as oscar madison... you know that would work....lol, thanks for the podcast it was a Sunday night tradition for me the past 6 seasons

[Black Eyed Dog]

For those who somehow still think the Losties died in the original plane crash, here is a very good summary of what happened on the show. The island was real. Only the flash sideways was the Losties after death:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/tv/what-happened-lost-finale-explanation.php

[Ian (Liverpool, UK)]

Just watched the finale, and......I'm not really sure what to make of it yet !

Thanks for all your podcasts over the years guys - it wouldn't have been the same without you.

Looking forward to one last Podcast get together, before you can all 'move on' :-)

[Frank]

I'd just like to say thank you for making such a great podcast over the years! For all the time and effort! All the best and have great lives.

[Rok]

Generally speaking, I'll give the finale a thumbs-up. Lots of questions will never be answered, but I guess that's just life. What I got was the culmination to a long-form story, alongside getting choked up at least a half-dozen times in under two hours. Kudos to the writers. And thanks, Lostcasts members. I still always came back here first to listen to you guys talk about the show.

[bacabuck]

Thanks to all of you who shared your thoughts during the past 6 years. I certainly would not have enjoyed (nor understood) the show quite as well as I did without the podcasts and readers comments.

Matt, John, and the rest of the crew - you have been awesome. I truly appreciate all of the hard work and effort you have put into the podcasts over the years. Best wishes for the future.

Bacabuck - Orange County, CA

[Christian, in CA]

Got to give credit to Jack: helping to create an afterlife where he gets to play "hide the pickle" with sawyer's old lady, was genius. Payback is sweet.
I started following you guys about midway through season 2. The extensive information was cool, but I really wanted to thank you for all the laughs. I guess texans aren't all bad.

[LOSTRAGE]

They intended to write a show about redemption through works and make the Island be a stand-in for Purgatory. But early on during season 1, too many people figured it out, and their desire to keep their concept a secret caused them to alter their story. The Island as a stand-in for the concept of Purgatory would explain all the weirdness, but once they didn't want people to know that the show was about that, they probably had to just accept that they wouldn't ever explain the Island. Or the weirdness. But then to bring the show to a close, they returned to their original concept of Purgatory and made the Flash Sideways be the standin for that concept. The writers intended the show to be purgatory. Which explains why they were so inter-connected off-island. The general public figured it out, and so they dumped that idea, and then created a few dead-end story lines while they scrambled to figure it out, then they went off on a tangent for a WHOLE season about the hatch and the numbers which was another dead end.

the writers themselves claimed that the 3rd season was written with characters in a cage because thats how they felt. So they had a come to jesus conversation with ABC and said look we are stringing the public along we have no clue where to go, and so they devised the flashward.

Then years before they ended the show they announced that the show would end in the 6th season. Giving them plenty of time to go back and answer questions. Instead they kept moving forward creating new deadend story lines. Posing questions that they had no intention of answering. Even in the last few episodes they were using this device. Example the music box that Christen Shepard gave to Claire, they hung on the moment as IF it made was a big deal. Turns out to be nothing. Yet again the writers giving the public the middle finger. They trick the audience into thinking "this is what we wanted to focus on as writers"

And the excuse that we are only covering the questions that the characters want to have answered?!? WTF IS THAT? THEY WROTE THE CHARACTERS!!! I like puzzles as much as the next guy, but i don't want to put together a puzzle only to find out that there are tons of missing pieces. Then to be told the puzzle is there for me to imagine my own interpretation of what the puzzle is. kiss my ass. I watched the show to cause it was truley engaging and i wanted to see how they were going to bring it all together. Instead they gave us half a show and want the audience to image the rest.

In the end it took them 6 seasons to answer who adam and eve were. What a pile of shit. I am never watching anything either of those 2 fuck heads are ever involved with again.

[Mike in the Box]

From what I have read online and through several discussions with friends, I have found that two groups of people are really disappointed with the finale:

1) the first group was really only concerned with answers to mysteries and mythology. Because the EP's and writers chose to focus on character resolution instead of answering questions about Walt or the numbers, this group feels dissatisfied.

2) the second groups tends to have a fairly conservative religious bent and is disappointed in the pluralistic symbols and philosophies that are represented in the finale, even though these images and ideologies were commonplace throughout the entire series. The finale did not exclusively support their particular religious perspective, and they are offended by it.

Immediately after watching the finale, I felt a little disappointed; mainly because I fall into group number 1. I wanted answers. But I realized that the answers that I had been given in previous episodes (Across the Sea) left me feeling cheated. I eventually realized that I would probably not be happy with the answers that would have been given anyway.

When the focus is on the characters, the other stuff just becomes a means for connecting the characters. All of the mythology, mysteries, and sci-fi elements do not require an explanation because they were merely plot devices meant to tie the characters to one another.

With that in mind, the writers did what they wanted. In the end, it was their show, not mine. They owe me nothing. I chose to watch and be entertained and I was entertained...for 6 seasons.

[Rok]

Hey Mike, I pretty much agree. Though I have to say I laughed knowingly at College Humor's "Lost's Unanswered Questions" video. ;-)

[Joop]

@ Mike in the Box
I think your friends from group 2 would be pleased to know about the Easter egg in the pluralistic "coexist" stained glass window. There is a light at the top intersection forming a cross that radiates throughout the whole motif, yet cleverly hidden from the good folks at the A.C.L.U.

[scott in philly]

that was an awesome finale... anyone who hated it didn't really seem to "get" what was really going on.

The Podcast after "Lockdown" was one of the best things ever to listen to.... you guys rock.

[Tahir]

Loved the finale.It didn't go the direction I thought it would but it gets a 9/10 from me.

Lots of unanswered questions but after the 'Across the Sea' episode I concluded we were not getting any more Island mysteries explained.
All the Island mysteries were basically down to the 'Magic Light' - End of.

To John, Robert, Matt, Brian and Tasha, THANK YOU for a fantastic podcast.It's always been my favourite.And I agree with scott in philly, your 'Lockdown' cast is the mother of all Lost podcasts.A classic.
I hope you guys carry on podcasting in some capacity.

Anyways, I look forward to finale cast.

[akemi]

podocasuto wa sugoku yokatta. I think I enjoyed your podcast almost more than I enjoyed the show. I'm sure I'll enjoy your finale more! Thanks for bringing wild speculation, meticulous detail and geeky tangentials into my head. Stay Lost.

[New2Lost]

So what happened to the people who died in the Flash Sideways (Makhil, Keamey and his associates)if it was a Purgatory?

[Rok]

@New2Lost, I would guess that they were simply constructs like Jack's son, created solely to bring them all together. Yes, they had a real world equivalent, but nothing beyond that.

[Mark B.]

@scott in philly

No dude, YOU didn't get it...or simply was too busy crying your eyes out when Sawyer and Juliet fake-touched in the fake-world.

I thought the finale sucked. No real answers - all it did was put some tearful fake-reunions together in Purgatory. Big Deal. Watch this video and tell me why I dont 'get it'.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

[Lou]

Before the the end of season 6 I was looking forward to watch Lost from season 1 till 6 after the DVD's come out later this year. But now after the finale I don't.
I don't want to see all those mysteries and mythology and all those questions that never will be answered, again.
I have got the strong impression that the whole team of writers created a lot of questions without knowing an answer. Just to get me keep comming back every week.
One of the reasons why I like(d) your Poscast was because all the speculation about the possible answers.
One of the other reasons were the refrences to Pop Culture. Thanks for all the Podcasts. It seems that I Stay lost forever.